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    With the 14th pick in the 2011 Draft, the Rams select Robert Quinn, DE, UNC



    Combine Numbers

    Height: 6040
    Weight: 265
    40 Yrd Dash: 4.62
    20 Yrd Dash: 2.67
    10 Yrd Dash: 1.61
    225 Lb. Bench Reps: 22
    Vertical Jump: 34
    Broad Jump: 09'08"
    20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.40
    3-Cone Drill: 7.13


    NFL Draft Scout:

    Overview
    A two-time state heavyweight champion in high school, Quinn's biggest fight before arriving at Chapel Hill was recovering from brain surgery for a benign tumor in October of his senior season.

    Quinn said he was experiencing a lot headaches, and the final straw for his parents was a series of three blackouts. Quinn said he broke down sobbing when doctors initially told him of the tumor and that his football career was likely over. But after a strong recovery, Quinn said he hasn't had a headache since the surgery and gets an MRI about every six months.

    Cleared to resume his football career, "El Roy" wasted no time making an impact for the Tar Heels. Quinn took over the starting job the second game of his freshman season when Darrius Massenburg suffered a knee injury and went on to be named the ACC's Brian Piccolo Award winner as the league's most courageous player. He collected 34 tackles, 6.5 tackles for losses, two sacks and forced two fumbles in 12 starts.

    Quinn's career really began to take off with a first-team All-ACC sophomore season as he increased his impact plays. He finished 2009 with a league-high 19 tackles for loss and was second in the ACC with 11 sacks to go along with six forced fumbles.

    With Quinn's train apparently headed for even bigger stardom in 2010, his college career veered off the tracks when he got caught up in the agent scandal that rocked the UNC program. Quinn was suspended for the season by the NCAA, and he decided it was time to move on to the NFL.

    NFL scouts were able to grill Quinn about his role in the scandal during team interviews at the scouting combine in Indianapolis, while team doctors carefully researched his brain surgery.

    "The tumor really made me appreciate just the little things in life," Quinn said. "Don't take anything for granted. Live life to the fullest. And the suspension really made me mature and watch the people who come around me. If they're really in the best interest for me or what I can do for them or what they want from me. So really just watch my surroundings or people I bring around me."



    Analysis


    Pass rush: Inconsistent off the snap. Is often among the last linemen off the ball, though he has such an explosive burst he can still beat the tackle with speed even when late and can leave his opponent grasping at air when he anticipates the snap correctly. Possesses a rare combination of burst and flexibility to dip under the reach of the tackle. Good agility and balance to turn the corner and has very good closing speed. Possesses a good rip move and the footwork to jab-step outside and cut back inside to split the gap; otherwise shows surprisingly little technique.

    Run defense: Too light to hold up at the point of attack on rushing plays designed to go directly at him. Possesses good upper-body strength and explosive hands to shed blocks, but can be engulfed and driven off the ball. Doesn't do a good enough job keeping contain, too often slicing inside and losing his gap integrity when he incorrectly judges the speed of the ballcarrier. Good lateral agility, flexibility and balance to change direction and pursue. Good straight-line speed and effort to pursue.

    Explosion: Perhaps his best asset. Can explode off the snap and fly by offensive tackles. Opponents have to gameplan around his burst off the edge. Good use of hands to pop the offensive lineman and shed the block. Arrives with a bang as a tackler. Forced eight fumbles in only two seasons.

    Strength: Improving in this area and has the frame to handle an additional 10-15 pounds of muscle without a significant loss in quickness or speed. Good, not great strength at the point of attack. Lacks the sand in his pants to hold up against the run, though he does wrench himself free when he has space to operate. Good strength to drag down the ballcarrier.

    Tackling: Good lateral agility and balance to break down in space and make the open-field tackle. Generally wraps up, though he'll go for the strip and miss tackles. Only average instincts but gets to the football quickly when he locates it.

    Intangibles: Fluid athlete who appears capable of handling the transition to outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme. Was occasionally asked to drop into coverage while at UNC. Despite his 2010 suspension, those close to the UNC program describe Quinn as a quality person and teammate and are endorsing him to NFL teams. Had his senior season at Ft. Dorchester High School shortened due to brain surgery to remove a benign tumor. Was originally told that the tumor and resulting surgery could end his football career. Has had no known complications following the surgery. Didn't start his first career game but did start the other 25 in his two seasons.

    --Rob Rang
    Sideline Scouting:
    Positives: Athletic... Good agility... Very good speed... Good length and long arms... Very solid pass rusher... Extremely good initial burst... Fires off the ball... Good acceleration... Gets after the quarterback... Can collapse the pocket... Solid rip and spin moves... Good closing speed... Uses his hands well... Good flexibility and body control... Stays low... Plays the run well... Gets off blocks reasonably well... Makes plays in the backfield... Good tackler... Good hitter... Does a good job stripping the ball... Hard worker... Good motor... Has some growth potential... On an extremely talented UNC defensive line, saw a lot of double teams in 2009... Stays low... Won the Brian Piccolo Award in 2007 as the ACC's most courageous player, was diagnosed with a brain tumor in high school and was told he may not play again... Started every game in college prior to dismissal... Schematic versatility, 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB... Selected All-ACC first team for the 2009 season... Has drawn comparisons to Julius Peppers and Mario Williams, reminds me of Will Smith or Brian Orakpo depending on scheme.

    Negatives: Average bull rush... Lacks prototypical bulk... Relies on speed too much... Needs to get a little stronger versus the run... Does not drop into coverage much... Not especially strong at the point of attack... Can be pushed back by bigger linemen... Was suspended for the 2010 season for NCAA rules violation, was a top five prospect prior to suspension... Character concerns, how much will his involvement with an agent hurt his draft stock?
    ESPN Scouts Inc:

    Overall Football Traits
    Height-Weight-Speed: 2; Quinn is slightly taller than the average DE at the last three scouting combines and possesses prototypical weight. He has bulked up but did not lose much straight-line speed. His 4.65-second 40-yard dash at the 2011 NFL combine is considerably faster than the 4.89 average. Hands (10 1/8 inches) and arms (34 inches) are above-average as well.

    Durability: 4; Diagnosed with a brain tumor during senior season in high school and was told by doctors his playing career might be over. Fully recovered and it has not been an issue during collegiate career. He started in all 25 games during two seasons at UNC.

    Intangibles: 3, Dedicated and passionate about the game. Recipient of ACC's Brian Piccolo Award in 2007 for league's most courageous player. But was ruled ineligible for 2010 season by NCAA.

    1 = Exceptional2 = Above average3 = Average4 = Below average5 = Marginal


    Defensive End Specific Traits

    Pass Rush Skills: 1; First-step quickness is good but not elite. Snap anticipation is inconsistent as well. He is an excellent athlete, though. Shows torso flexibility to dip his shoulder and shave the edge. Has heavier hands than expected and flashes ability to use quickness-to-power moves. Needs to be quicker and more technically-sound with hands but shows potential to improve in that area. Displays good lateral quickness when shooting inside off of twists. Has excellent closing burst to the QB. Doesn't always finish. Pass rush production in 2009 is a bit overblown. Had 10 of 11 sacks in 2009 versus five bad offenses (Citadel, ECU, Virginia, Georgia Southern and Duke). Had just one sack in eight other games.

    Versus the run: 2; Can penetrate on slants and disrupt in the backfield. Can redirect quickly and pursue. Shows good upper-body strength to control the OT at the point of attack but is inconsistent locating the ball and disengaging from blocks. Plays too high at times and loses anchor strength as a result. Can make some flashy plays versus the run but also can get rag-dolled at times. Has potential to become a very solid RDE versus the run if he improves leverage and diagnostic skills.

    Versatility: 1; Excellent athlete for size. Changes direction smoothly and moves well laterally. Appears to have enough fluidity to hold up if asked to drop into coverage. Could be equally effective as a 4-3 RDE or as a ROLB in a 3-4 scheme.

    Instincts/Motor: 3; Good overall effort. On the field a good portion of UNC's defensive snaps in 2009 and rarely spot him taking a play off on film. Plays hard and is disciplined. Instincts are below average, though. Frequently late locating the ball, especially versus the run.
    National Football Post:
    Possesses a tall, long-armed frame with good overall muscle tone and girth through his lower half. Coils up well into his stance and does a good job maximizing his first step off the football up the field. At times doesn't sit into his stance as well as he could, but got the most part plays with good bend. Get his hands up very quickly off the snap and knows how to use his length to initially slip blocks on contact. However, he looks much more natural at this stage using his hands to shed blocks in the pass game than vs. the run.

    In the pass game, he does a great job working a jab step inside and instantly exploding toward the outside edge, maintaining his balance and accelerating toward the quarterback as well as any pass rusher in college football. Showcases impressive natural body control when asked to flatten out around the corner and looks natural dropping his shoulder and working a powerful and compact swat to keep himself clean. Has a good -not great- first step that allows him to consistently threaten the outside and turn the corner. Is very efficient and savvy when asked to change directions and work the inside stunt. However, he needs to do a better job getting off the snap count on time, as he too often is the last defensive lineman moving off the ball that should improve with more experience. Even so, the guy plays with a motor that runs non-stop, and because of his range and length, he rarely stays blocked for long.

    Against the run game, he needs to do a better job playing with a lower pad level initially off the snap since he too often gets high out of his stance and can be jolted backward on contact. However, because he's so long and sudden, he consistently is able to slip the block and close on the football after the initial jolt. He also needs to continue to work on his hand placement vs. the run game, especially when asked to set the edge. Although he does, for the most part, do a pretty good job remaining disciplined and staying at home with backside contain, he struggles to consistently gain initial leverage on contact when asked to take on blocks. His hands end up on the outside shoulders of opposing linemen where he can be steered away from the ball. But he does work hard to fight his way off blocks and has the kind of range to close from the backside and consistently make plays in pursuit.

    Missed the 2010 season for his involvement in the agent scandal, accepting illegitimate gifts on his behalf. Also, underwent brain surgery as a senior in high school for a benign tumor and made a full recovery and is a two-time defending state champ in wrestling.

    Impression: Simply put was the best pass-rushing defensive end I saw in the country in 2009. Needs to check out from a character standpoint, but all the tools are there for him to mature into one the best pass rushers to come out of this class and an impact guy off the edge if he can put 2010 behind him and develop.

    It will be interesting to see where Quinn gets drafted. He is an immensely talented kid, but he didn't play in 2010 because of an NCAA suspension. He is tall with long arms and has good play speed and athleticism. He is a fluid athlete who can change direction quickly. He is best as a pass rusher where he uses his long arms to his advantage. Quinn is an excellent speed rusher, but he can also use counter moves and come back to the inside. Has good lean as a rusher. Has good instincts and finds the ball, but he does have a tendency to play a bit tall versus the run. When he does get tall he can be a little slow to shed. Overall, not playing in a year will hurt him, but because of his natural pass rush skills he could be a premium pick. Has to get by the medical staffs of many clubs because of his medical history. If he drops on draft day, that could be the reason why.
    Sporting News:
    Iyer
    The Rams get a real steal here in a well-built, explosive edge pass rusher who will be an instant star at 4-3 end.

    Lande
    Despite not playing in 2010 and having a serious medical issue related to a brain tumor, the Rams selected Robert Quinn to start opposite defensive end Chris Long. Quinn is an explosive athlete with edge pass-rush skills but tended to play to the level of competition during the '09 season. This is a boom-or-bust pick.
    Against the inside run: Is shockingly productive against the inside run. When offenses reach to block him, he easily gets inside the tight end and down the line of scrimmage. Flashes the burst off the ball to split offensive guard and tackle gap and get into the backfield to stop the running back. Grade: 8.0

    Against the outside run: Is effective taking on run blocks by strong tight ends at the point of attack. Lacks size, can be tied up and driven out of the play. Is most effective avoiding blocks by offensive line, as he can rely on his speed and agility to shed the block, rather than his poor strength. Has the closing speed to finish plays. Grade: 8.0

    Run/pass recognition: Is instinctive; identifies the play quickly and has the speed to get to the ballcarrier to make the play. Maintains backside responsibility well. Sniffs out screen passes with skill. Gets hands up quickly to tip passes and force quarterback to rethink where he throws the ball. However, his snap anticipation is not elite; sometimes gets is late off the line of scrimmage. Has little experience with the ball in space. Grade: 7.0

    Blitz/coverage: Is explosive off the ball and has an excellent closing burst to the quarterback. Dips shoulder and turns the corner well with offensive tackles leaning on him, but is not consistent as an edge rusher. Has a good spin move to beat tackles inside or outside. Tends to get up high when close to the quarterback, which leads to him running past and missing easy sacks. Grade: 8.5 Prusuit/tackling: Is undersized and lacks the bulk and strength to be a defensive end, but his size might work to his advantage as an outside linebacker. Has a great closing burst on run plays to tackle tight ends on the line of scrimmage. But, too slow to stop the running back once he gets through the hole and sometimes misses the tackle. Has good sideline range to chase down plays and make tackles when knees are bent. Grade: 5.0

    Bottom line: Quinn was the best defender at UNC and has the talent to become an elite rush linebacker in a 3-4 scheme, given his instincts about the quarterback and the play. Still, he'll be overshadowed by other draftees because of his involvement with agents during his time with the Tar Heels. But his athleticism is great and he'll find some time on the field as a rookie.
    Last edited by Nick; -04-28-2011 at 10:45 PM.


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    Re: With the 14th pick in the 2011 Draft, the Rams select Robert Quinn, DE, UNC

    Did that pick make you nervous like it did me? I was nervous as hell waiting for the commercials to end.

    Overall, I love the pick, once there are no lingering health concerns with him, I LOVE the pick.

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    Re: With the 14th pick in the 2011 Draft, the Rams select Robert Quinn, DE, UNC

    Welcome to the St. Louis Rams Robert Quinn!!! Him and Chris Long are gonna rock it on the d-line next year!
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    Re: With the 14th pick in the 2011 Draft, the Rams select Robert Quinn, DE, UNC

    Love it!!!

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    Re: With the 14th pick in the 2011 Draft, the Rams select Robert Quinn, DE, UNC

    I can't imagine how anyone could have a problem with this pick.

    Ramming speed to all

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    Re: With the 14th pick in the 2011 Draft, the Rams select Robert Quinn, DE, UNC

    Yea,

    We should be able to have a pretty nice pass rush now with rotation up and coming in Selvie and Jermelle Cudjo...

    Well, I guess we can't be TOO surprised seeing that SPAGS IS A DEFENSIVE GUY especially from the Giants. He likes to build the defense ( and in our case the team) from the inside out.

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    Re: With the 14th pick in the 2011 Draft, the Rams select Robert Quinn, DE, UNC

    Love it!!!

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    Re: With the 14th pick in the 2011 Draft, the Rams select Robert Quinn, DE, UNC

    GREAT pick! A surefire Spagnoulo D-Line pick - behold NFC-W QB's: The Rams are comin' for you!

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    Re: With the 14th pick in the 2011 Draft, the Rams select Robert Quinn, DE, UNC

    Love the pick, tons of potential and room to grow.

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    Re: With the 14th pick in the 2011 Draft, the Rams select Robert Quinn, DE, UNC

    He was the best defensive end on the board. I really didn't expect him to still be available. Great pick

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    Re: With the 14th pick in the 2011 Draft, the Rams select Robert Quinn, DE, UNC

    I was reading the article you put out there, Nick, and one of the things that I noticed, and its probably been said before, was the tumor. BUT, just like Bradford had surgery and repaired his shoulder and checked out of the doctors office with a clean bill of health, and has shown that he can live up to the pounding and abuse of the NFL just fine, why should the tumor be an issue? I feel as though he can just get checked up from time to time I guess just to be safe.

    Now, the scouting report does not lie, but it stated what we already knew we were getting: a pure pass rusher. Doesnt know much else, as in stopping the run, but arent most PURE pass rushers like that ? Peppers, Allen, Cole? Dont they all get engulfed in the run game but BRING THE HOUSE DOWN in the sack/hurry/fumble department?

    Trust me, I am sure and feel confident that Spags and Co. trust the medical history enough to know that he was well worth it, and also, whats even better, he dropped to us from his 6th or so rated position, so in no way are we reaching. We got the BPA at the Position of need, thats what smart teams do when the player/s they wanted is/are off the board.

    CANT WAIT TO SEE THE 2nd round pick...

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    Re: With the 14th pick in the 2011 Draft, the Rams select Robert Quinn, DE, UNC

    Finally go defense in the first round. Great pick. UYB

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    Re: With the 14th pick in the 2011 Draft, the Rams select Robert Quinn, DE, UNC

    If you are worried about Quinn because he once had an operation to remove a brain tumour... then you should be worried about any player that has previously had an operation

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    Re: With the 14th pick in the 2011 Draft, the Rams select Robert Quinn, DE, UNC

    Nice Pick, should bring some needed heat to the pass rush, Spags building the "D"

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    Re: With the 14th pick in the 2011 Draft, the Rams select Robert Quinn, DE, UNC

    I like the pick and didn't expect him to be available. Ponder and Locker picks in front of us made me happy that we'd grab someone good for the D-line.

    Happy for him too after what he's been through.

    Welcome to the Rams Mr Quinn.
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