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    1st half vs. 2nd half: Quantifying what we already know.

    In the first half....we have actually outscored our opponents, 144-132 for a record of 6-7-1.
    In the second half....we have been outscored, 76-217 for a record of 2-12.

    In the first half....we've posted double digit scores, 9 times.
    In the second half.....3 times.

    In the first half.....we've held our opponents to single digits, 7 times.
    In the second half.....3 times.

    In the first half....we've had 16 TDs.
    In the second half....6 TDs.

    In the first half.....we've given up 15 TDs.
    In the second half....25 TDs.

    In only 4 of our 13 games, the 2nd half scoring defense was better than the 1st half.
    In only 5 of our 13 games, the 2nd half scoring offense was better than the 1st half.

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    Re: 1st half vs. 2nd half: Quantifying what we already know.

    Bonus stat:

    Only twice this year (Baltimore, Cincy) has this team entered half-time more than one score out. However, 7 of the 14 games saw a 2nd half with a more than one score deficit, and 7 final scores more than one score away as well.
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    Re: 1st half vs. 2nd half: Quantifying what we already know.

    ... and yet, Linehan will be back.

    *sigh*

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    Re: 1st half vs. 2nd half: Quantifying what we already know.

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    ... and yet, Linehan will be back.

    *sigh*
    Avenger, its not Scotties fault its the execution. But only bad execution in the second half, wink,wink.
    Just Fix It

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    Re: 1st half vs. 2nd half: Quantifying what we already know.

    Quote Originally Posted by rammiser View Post
    Avenger, its not Scotties fault its the execution. But only bad execution in the second half, wink,wink.
    Quite the amazin' coinkeedink, eh Moe?

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    Re: 1st half vs. 2nd half: Quantifying what we already know.

    I know you guys don't think the execution explaination as a major contributing factor is legit, but look at what happened in the second half against Green Bay. As was the case with nearly every game this year, dropped passes, interceptions, sacks and penalties did a lot of damage to most of the drives.

    In any case, I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens with a complete team to know if Linehan is the problem.

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    Re: 1st half vs. 2nd half: Quantifying what we already know.

    If there was poor execution accross-the-board, I'd have to conclude that the players just are not that good.

    But when there is such a marked difference between first and second half performance, you have to look for other explanations.

    A HC who does a poor job of adjusting during games is a pretty good explanation, if you ask me.

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    Re: 1st half vs. 2nd half: Quantifying what we already know.

    Dang, according to those stats, on average, we'd be just about undefeated if we just played the 1st half.

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    Re: 1st half vs. 2nd half: Quantifying what we already know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keenum View Post
    Dang, according to those stats, on average, we'd be just about undefeated if we just played the 1st half.
    Actually we'd be 6-7-1. Not great, but better than 3-11.
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    Re: 1st half vs. 2nd half: Quantifying what we already know.

    Quote Originally Posted by HUbison View Post
    Actually we'd be 6-7-1. Not great, but better than 3-11.
    oh, lol. Well close enough

    We'd still be in the playoff hunt though:l

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    Re: 1st half vs. 2nd half: Quantifying what we already know.

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    If there was poor execution accross-the-board, I'd have to conclude that the players just are not that good.

    But when there is such a marked difference between first and second half performance, you have to look for other explanations.

    A HC who does a poor job of adjusting during games is a pretty good explanation, if you ask me.

    Just won't give it up, even though you know, that I know, that you know, that I know, your efforts are fruitless.

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    Re: 1st half vs. 2nd half: Quantifying what we already know.

    Linehan could very well be the problem, but I don't see it. Maybe if the same thing that's happening this year had happened last year, it might make more sense to me, but that's not the case. We scored 172 points in the first half and 169 points in the second last year. The only real difference between the 2006 team and the 2007 version is injuries.

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    Re: 1st half vs. 2nd half: Quantifying what we already know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fortuninerhater View Post
    Just won't give it up, even though you know, that I know, that you know, that I know, your efforts are fruitless.
    I'm not sure I even know what you mean. What do you think my goal is?

    I've never presumed that my posts impact the team in any way, so obviously I'm not trying to actually get Linehan fired.

    The only think I am making an effort to do is to express my opinion. Those efforts have been successful.

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    Re: 1st half vs. 2nd half: Quantifying what we already know.

    The 2nd half is a big question mark for Linehan right now, no question. Its strange to suggest though that it must be entirely due to coaching inadequacy on behalf of Linehan alone.

    If we widen the inquiry to include Haslett and the special teams and then look back at their coaching careers to date, can we see the trend of 2nd half collapses that point to an inability to adjust? I would argue, and I invite sceptics to look, that we can't see that trend because the evidence isn't there for it.

    If we look at this season, in contrast to seasons coached by this staff here and on other teams you could argue that one startling statistic emerges.

    Injuries.

    Quite the amazin' coinkeedink, eh Moe?


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    Re: 1st half vs. 2nd half: Quantifying what we already know.

    Quote Originally Posted by r8rh8rmike View Post
    Linehan could very well be the problem, but I don't see it. Maybe if the same thing that's happening this year had happened last year, it might make more sense to me, but that's not the case. We scored 172 points in the first half and 169 points in the second last year. The only real difference between the 2006 team and the 2007 version is injuries.
    Really? That's the only difference?

    We must be watching two different teams.

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