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    5 Things the Rams can learn from the Champion Giants

    1. Be Patient With Your Franchise QB. Here are Eli Manning's passer ratings for his first four seasons: 55.4, 75.9, 77.0, 73.9. Sam Bradford needs time and weapons. Give him both.

    2. Front 4 Pressure Provides a Huge Advantage. If the Rams can one day generate the kind of pressure the Giants do with their front four by adding some DTs to Chris Long and Robert Quinn, that could become the core of the defense.

    3. Don't Underestimate the Value of BPA Picks. When the Giants drafted Jason Pierre-Paul, they already had Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Matthias Kiwanuka on their roster. However, this pick has paid HUGE dividends, not only in terms of JPP's play, but in the way he's helped them maintain their pass rush while Tuck and Osi were injured. Also, with JPP there, a guy like Osi failed in his effort to extort a new contract. You know... maybe I need to consider adding Quinton Coples to my next draft board...

    4. Schemes Should Adjust to Players, Not the Other Way Around. When the Giants won the Super Bowl in 2006, it was thunder (Jacobs) and lightning (Bradshaw) leading the way. This time, it was Eli throwing to Nicks, Manningham and Cruz that got them to the big game. Same head coach, different players, different approach.

    5. Just Make the Playoffs. The Giants (like last year's Packers) demonstrated that the playoffs are really a "second season" where seeding and home field advantage are important, but not necessarily determinative factors.
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    Re: 5 Things the Rams can learn from the Champion Giants

    6. When the opposing team is killing you with a no huddle offense...fake injury

    There are some things we can take away, but I hate the Giants for multiple reasons living in this area.

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    Re: 5 Things the Rams can learn from the Champion Giants

    Quote Originally Posted by THOLTFAN81 View Post
    6. When the opposing team is killing you with a no huddle offense...fake injury

    There are some things we can take away, but I hate the Giants for multiple reasons living in this area.
    Or you pay the officials to stand over the spotted ball to allow you time to substitute players, ala Cheatriots and Ravens.


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    Re: 5 Things the Rams can learn from the Champion Giants

    7. Score more points than your opponent

    It seems obvious, but our 2-14 records says we didn't quite figure that one out. Also, neither did the Giants, as they are the only SB champs to be outscored in the regular season by opponents. How did they pull that one off?

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    7. Score more points than your opponent

    It seems obvious, but our 2-14 records says we didn't quite figure that one out. Also, neither did the Giants, as they are the only SB champs to be outscored in the regular season by opponents. How did they pull that one off?
    They also had the most losses of any Super Bowl winner. A case could easily be made that the Giants are the worst Super Bowl champ ever. But you know what? I would take 7 losses every year for the Rams if it results in a championship.
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    They also had the most losses of any Super Bowl winner. A case could easily be made that the Giants are the worst Super Bowl champ ever. But you know what? I would take 7 losses every year for the Rams if it results in a championship.
    Q: What do you call a Super Bowl Champion with a high number of losses?

    A: A Super Bowl Champion
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    Re: 5 Things the Rams can learn from the Champion Giants

    2. Front 4 Pressure Provides a Huge Advantage. If the Rams can one day generate the kind of pressure the Giants do with their front four by adding some DTs to Chris Long and Robert Quinn, that could become the core of the defense.
    IMO, this was the single best indicator of momentum in last night's game. When the Giants were getting their front 4 in Brady's face, the Giants had the momentum. But once the Pats O-line tightened up, Brady was able to move at will.

    Which makes me wonder how that will mesh with Williams blitz schemes.
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    Re: 5 Things the Rams can learn from the Champion Giants

    Wow... some of the responses to this thread make me lament the lack of a "dislike" button.
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    Re: 5 Things the Rams can learn from the Champion Giants

    All valid points. Of all the Rams problems over the years, two stand out to me: their inability to judge talent and their inability to get the most out of the guys they have. The Giants draft a guy considered somewhat of a project (Pierre-Paul) and is coached up to the point of being a dominant defensive end. Plus, they already have 3 quality ends to begin with- an embarrassment of riches. What do we do? Draft George Selvie- the OTHER South Florida end. And don't even get me started on our past coaches' inability to adjust their systems to the personnel they had. Coaching is about putting your guys in a position to be successful, and we've come up woefully short. That must change.

    Patience is needed with Bradford. He's our guy and isn't going anywhere, nor would I want him to. That said, improvement is expected next year. Those who blamed the linemen and the receivers while giving Bradford a pass have it wrong. He shares blame. He was drafted to carry the load. Get the job done. Find a way.

    This league is no longer about being a dominant team for much of the season. Ask Green Bay & New Orleans. It's about getting hot at the right time. The Giants were dead in the water after week 15. If the Rams can hang around the wildcard race, anything can happen.
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    Re: 5 Things the Rams can learn from the Champion Giants

    Make sure you get a QB with a strange spooky stare, rather retard.

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    Re: 5 Things the Rams can learn from the Champion Giants

    Play with heart and passion until you hear the whistle, and even after you keep fighting...

    Tackle, tackle, and then tackle some more

    Make the plays


    yeah, I know is obvious but.... some teams (like ours) didn't do that

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    Re: 5 Things the Rams can learn from the Champion Giants

    I pretty much agree on the first two points. Not much else to say there.

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    3. Don't Underestimate the Value of BPA Picks. When the Giants drafted Jason Pierre-Paul, they already had Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Matthias Kiwanuka on their roster. However, this pick has paid HUGE dividends, not only in terms of JPP's play, but in the way he's helped them maintain their pass rush while Tuck and Osi were injured. Also, with JPP there, a guy like Osi failed in his effort to extort a new contract. You know... maybe I need to consider adding Quinton Coples to my next draft board...
    This is true but certainly easier advice to follow for a team that is returning many players from its last Super Bowl win two years before. If you're as high on a player as the Giants were on JPP, then you probably consider thinking outside your top needs, but it's also true here that the Giants' defense is pretty much built around pressure. So getting JPP wasn't entirely a luxury pick for them, either.

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    4. Schemes Should Adjust to Players, Not the Other Way Around. When the Giants won the Super Bowl in 2006, it was thunder (Jacobs) and lightning (Bradshaw) leading the way. This time, it was Eli throwing to Nicks, Manningham and Cruz that got them to the big game. Same head coach, different players, different approach.
    This is definitely a good point. Coughlin has been able to adapt, and he's not the only one. We've seen this somewhat with the Steelers in recent years and to a lesser extent the Patriots. Of course, when you talk about Nicks, Manningham, and Cruz, the other thing that jumps off the screen at you is, "Man, it must be nice to have clutch receivers like that!"

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    5. Just Make the Playoffs. The Giants (like last year's Packers) demonstrated that the playoffs are really a "second season" where seeding and home field advantage are important, but not necessarily determinative factors.
    That has to be the goal for next year. Between the 2005 Steelers winning a Super Bowl as the sixth seed and now the 2011 Giants winning it as a 9-7 regular season team, the message seems to be that the sky's the limit for a hot team going into the playoffs.

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    Re: 5 Things the Rams can learn from the Champion Giants

    Regardless of what some people have been saying, good defense and excellent front four play in particular, still has its place in this league. Especially when dealing with all these high octane passing attacks, around the league these days. The trickiest part these days, is getting the right balance on offense and defense, with the salary cap limitations in place. So its more important than ever to have the best scouting department possible, and a coach who CAN develop players, in all three phases of the game. COUGHLIN. The days of teams having the No.1 offense, and No.1 defense in the league, are going fast.? But it still can pay dividends for your team to be a jack of all trades type team, rather than being a master of one. The league is maybe becoming a little too pass happy, but good defense still has its place, and always will.

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    Re: 5 Things the Rams can learn from the Champion Giants

    I think the one thing that is left out is that athleticism helps....giants defense has huge athletes and WRs are all athletic along with an offensive line that is very athletic as well.

    Some youth also helps....Can't wait for for combine, draft, free agency....

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    Re: 5 Things the Rams can learn from the Champion Giants

    Dropped passes make the greatest quarterbacks look bad.

    Improve communications between the QB and running back AS the ball is being handed off.

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