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#31 (**permalink**) -20-07-2004

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Originally Posted by moklerman

I have a pretty strong sense of loyalty to the Rams, but I've wondered at what cost? I mean, basically I've proven that no matter what they do I'll still support them. To me, that's just a glutten for punishment.

Face it.
Your a life long Ram Fan.

*Ferter* · #32 (**permalink**) -20-07-2004

Some interesting posts under this thread.

I could care less about St.Louis. Never been there and I am not sure I will ever go there. I am not saying it's a bad place to live or visit, rather, I have just never been there. For that matter, I have never been to L.A. either. To me, this team is just the Rams. I simply don't associate them with the city.

I live in the state of Washington and have been to seattle many times. It is a nice city and all, but I can't stand the freaking seahawks. I am surrounded by seahawks fans and most of them just can't understand how I shun that team and remain a loyal Rams fan.

Ramtime once summed it up best for me, about being a longtime Rams fan....

IT JUST IS

:ramlogo:

*xfactor28* · #33 (**permalink**) -20-07-2004

I have been a fan since I was old enough to watch football, which is about 30 years. I guess the Rams getting a title (FINALLY) and letting the likes of Vermiel and Martz run the show are signs of what a bad owner she is? Personelly I think the majority of you who disagree with Georgia as an owner simply are sexist and dont think a woman should own a football team and are too scared to admit it because of the few women who visit the site.

*r8rh8rmike* · #34 (**permalink**) -20-07-2004

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Personelly I think the majority of you who disagree with Georgia as an owner simply are sexist and dont think a woman should own a football team and are too scared to admit it because of the few women who visit the site.

No. If you were to judge Georgia based on the team in St. Louis, I don't think anyone could have a problem with her as an owner. However, her days in Los Angeles as an owner were disgraceful, plain and simple.

**HUbison** · #35 (**permalink**) -20-07-2004

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Originally Posted by xfactor28

Personelly I think the majority of you who disagree with Georgia as an owner simply are sexist and dont think a woman should own a football team and are too scared to admit it because of the few women who visit the site.

Since when has anybody held back on this board? :redface:

*xfactor28* · #36 (**permalink**) -20-07-2004

Like any good owner, she lets the coaches and gm's run the show, and even her first few years in st. louie were terrible, she just picked the wrong people to run the team though I dont think some coaches got a fair amount of time to evaluate them. But now, they are either the best or one of the best teams in the past five years. And I expect that to be the case for quite a few seasons to come with the talented youth and the faith I have in Martz draft knowledge.

**HUbison** · #37 (**permalink**) -20-07-2004

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Originally Posted by xfactor28

the faith I have in Martz draft knowledge.

2003 - With Drew Henson (who later got Houston a 2nd rounder) on the table, we selected Dan Curley

2002 - With Dante Wesley, Alex Brown, David Thornton & Najeh Davenport on the table, we select Eric Crouch

2001 - With Rudi Johnson & Orlando Huff on the table, we select Brian Allen

2001 - With Correll Buckhalter, Justin McCareins & Edgerton Hartwell on the table, we select Milton Wynn

2000 - With Todd Pinkston, Mike Brown, Ian Gold, Chad Clifton, Kenoy Kennedy, Jerry Porter & Jason Webster on the table, we select Trung Canidate

2000 - With Mark Simoneau, Laveranues Coles, Darrell Jackson & Greg Wesley on the table, we select Jacoby Shepard

2000 - With Na'il Diggs, David Barrett & Peter Sirmon on the table, we select John St. Clair

1999 - With Brandon Stokely, Warrick Holdman, Roosevelt Colvin, Wali Rainer, Aaron Brooks & Jay Foreman on the table, we select Joe Germaine

Now, I know hindsight is 20/20, you can't predict injury, other teams had busts too, yada, yada, yada. My only point is this...I wouldn't be so quick to pronounce a faith in our draft day expertise.

P.S. Please notice I didn't even mention our 3 1st round DT's that so many (excluding yours truly) are ready to send to the scrap pile.

*xfactor28* · #38 (**permalink**) -20-07-2004

It's like gambling, your gonna lose more than you win. But win you win, you wanna win big! Pace, Archuletta, and our young linebackers I think will be gems.

**txramsfan** · #39 (**permalink**) -20-07-2004

Wow, xfactor, that's the best way to describe the draft I have ever heard.

Bravo.

**HUbison** · #40 (**permalink**) -20-07-2004

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Originally Posted by xfactor28

It's like gambling, your gonna lose more than you win. But win you win, you wanna win big! Pace, Archuletta, and our young linebackers I think will be gems.

So then it's chance instead of "draft knowledge". I see.

Anyway, you're right, numbers will show that most draft picks turn out to be near worthless. However, it's not trying to win more than you lose. It's trying to win more than the other guys. I suppose this would be near impossible to objectively compare (which, of course, won't stop some from trying), but I just don't think we have done as well as some other teams with the picks we've had.

I know on draft day, the ESPN crew (who I think have a problem with the Rams) kept mentioning that Martz has never drafted a pro-bowler. Take that as you will. It's not terribly breathtaking but interesting still the same.

*xfactor28* · #41 (**permalink**) -20-07-2004

Thank you, Tx. Hubison, of course knowledge goes into it, just like gambling as well remember that kenny rogers song? When your in a casino, you know what games give you the best chance, just like coaches know what player will have the most potential. You play your best hand or pick the best player on the board. I'm just saying I think thay have made enough good picks to stay with the better teams for awhile and I would expect a huge F.A. pick up (ala Marshall) within the next couple of seasons.

**HUbison** · #42 (**permalink**) -20-07-2004

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Originally Posted by xfactor28

Thank you, Tx. Hubison, of course knowledge goes into it, just like gambling as well remember that kenny rogers song? When your in a casino, you know what games give you the best chance, just like coaches know what player will have the most potential. You play your best hand or pick the best player on the board. I'm just saying I think thay have made enough good picks to stay with the better teams for awhile and I would expect a huge F.A. pick up (ala Marshall) within the next couple of seasons.

So then, the last person to see Carroll Rosenbloom alive was in fact...Kenny Rogers! I just wanted to bring the discussion full circle. :tongue:

I hear what you're saying. In fact, I think the past two drafts are going to turn out to be quite successful (especially compared to the 2000 draft day debacle).

*xfactor28* · #43 (**permalink**) -20-07-2004

Lol :redface:

*moklerman* · #44 (**permalink**) -20-07-2004

I'm somewhat surprised that you've been a Rams fan for 30 years xfactor. I would have been able to see your side of things if you'd started rooting for the Rams since the move to St. Louis.

To me, Georgia has been very Bidwell-esque. I've always had the impression that she had no real interest in whether the Rams won or lost as long as the millions of dollars kept pouring in. I think the Rams Super Bowl victory coincides more with her reduced role than with her finally choosing the right management/coaching staff.

She may not be as bad as I think she is but I'm pretty sure she doesn't fall into the "good/great" category either. It's not a sexist bias either. I think Daniel Snyder is a crappy owner, too. That doesn't mean that I have something against men being owners.

*xfactor28* · #45 (**permalink**) -20-07-2004

I think she takes alot of pride in the team, she has proven that by hiring great football minds in the past and present and I think the move to st lou was a great move, where there is loyal dedicated fans win or lose. I cant see where she has done anything to show her as greedy or not caring. Heck remember how she went after jones? At the time that was a good move, it just did not pan out.