The Rams are going back to a shorter West Coast style passing attack that more closely resembles what Shurmur was running when Sam was a rookie. The point being, Sam doesn't need to be standing back there for a large amount of time before the ball should come out.
The reality of life in the NFL is that you probably have about four seconds at the most in the pocket to make your throw; that's really not a lot of time. That's why pocket awareness and mobility to sidestep and evade the rush and extend plays even another second or so is so important, IMO.
Yes, there have been a number of instances where Sam has had less time, but most of his passes? I dunno. I think we also need to consider that, while a lot of that responsibility goes on the offensive line, doesn't some of it also have to go on the quarterback and his internal clock, whether he sees the defense and gets through his progressions quickly, etc?
lengthy response saying that, while I thought Sam had a solid day, he had room for improvement. And others were expressing some concerns as well at that time.
Now, you're right in that this pendulum didn't swing the other way after Kansas City, and we didn't see loads and loads of positive threads about how great Sam looked. That's not fair, but I think to some extent, it's the nature of the internet message board. I do think there were some threads, though, in which Sam got praise for his performance. I've tried to emphasize, even in my criticisms of him from the Dallas game, that there were positive plays in that game and that he also looked outstanding against Kansas City.
I think the biggest difference between the two games is pressure. I seem to recall Sam even saying after the KC contest that he didn't think he was even touched. Compare that to the pressure he faced in Dallas. I think the point some would make is that it isn't hard to make plays in ideal conditions. What separates the great quarterbacks from the rest of the pack is their ability to stand tough against pressure and adverse conditions and still make plays for their team.
If Sam can show a consistent ability to do that this year, then he'll definitely earn some praise, at least from me. I agree with you that he has the physical talent to be a great one and from all indications the mental acumen to get him there. If his response to adversity more closely resembles what we saw against Dallas, however, then the fan concern will linger.
I thought Bradford looked solid on that last series, despite the hits he had taken throughout the game. He did not loook tentative to me in any way, and battled to the end. I'd be interested to hear if anyone has a vastly different assessment from mine after watching that last series again.
Kind of like ... telegraphing your play. Like I said, this game was not about evaluating SB.
But go right on ahead and burn him to the ground if you like, it won't change the fact that he's the starter on an entire team that has a long way to go.
Of course he's made mistakes but nobody has shown evidence of a preseason pattern of an issue with Sam, just a couple of isolated plays where you can pin all the blame on Bradford. He's still being let down more often than vice versa.
I think the biggest difference between the two games is SJ vs Pead and Richardson. I ask the question before the game what do people want to see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick
I think the biggest difference between the two games is pressure.
You answeredWhen Richardson goes the wrong way on a flip 90 play, hanging Bradford out to throw the ball across his body on the fly, is not good execution, IMO.Quote:
Sharp execution, minimal mental mistakes, and no injuries.
More then once the rookie backs blew assignments that Marshal pointed out,
In short there where mental mistakes that caused poor execution IMO.
After watching the game again Marshal said he thought Sam was throwing that ball away and he did not want Pead to get creamed if he caught it.Quote:
His next attempt was a hurried pass that missed Pead.
Mike I just watched the game again and I think I posted that was the worst I have ever seen Sam play. It was not that bad the second time looking at it. For what he was working with, a play made here or there and it would have been a decent night. Example if Pettis catches the back shoulder pass for TD, which it was catch-able.
So I'll simply say, I disagree with the statement that Bradford did not look tentative in any way. I arrived at a different conclusion after watching the game, which included pausing plays and rewatching them sometimes multiple times.
But how this absolves Sam of the same accountability that his teammates regularly receive each week is beyond me. It's kind of like the boy who cried wolf. You can only blame other teammates for so long and so often.
Things are not going catastrophically wrong on every play, to the point that it's impossible for Sam to properly execute, except on the plays where he does. He's fallible, he makes mistakes, sometimes more often than other times. Dallas, IMO, was one of those times. Obviously he wasn't the only one making mistakes, but if we're going to hold other players on this team accountable for their play, Sam should be no different.
Regardless, I'm hoping that in this final preseason showing, which Fisher considers the dress rehearsal for his team, Sam comes out and looks like he did in the KC game... which means the OL will have to keep the pressure off like they did in that game as well. I want to see Sam bounce back from Dallas with an excellent showing, one he can build confidence on heading into the regular season. The fact that he'll likely be facing the back-ups for Baltimore, assuming they follow more conventional wisdom with the fourth preseason game, should help.
As much as you would like Bradford to be able to play behind a terrible line, with lessor talent at receiver then most top QB. It's not going to happen. He's good but he's not that good. Until he gets some talent around him he will just be average at best. IF Bradford had Holt and Bruce he would be a top 5 QB today. The fact is this is a team sport, it takes more then being a great player to have success. SJ has never been in a playoff game, why do you think that is? Did he not make all the players around him better?
Bottom line is Sam is good and he will never be great without a few great players around him, just the way it works I'm afraid.
When the protection holds up, and the quarterback has time to make a throw, is he accurate? Bradford had one terrible miss down the left sideline. He had plenty of time to make the connection, but overthrew an all-alone
I reviewed this pass on DVR wondering why it was such a bad overthrow, and sure enough, the left guard has been pushed into him on a basic bull rush.
This sounds eerily like the arguement we had a few years back, when Marc Bulger finally got run out of town for stealing.
Let's hope it just sounds similar.
To me, the only thing that actually worries me is his contract. I've always people tend to make too much of the quarterback in what is a very team oriented game and the Rams should have solidified the offensive line and receiver corps before they went after a potential franchise quarterback and ate the cap space associated with that.
So how about Austin Davis? I still haven't watched up to the point that Clemens was injured and I'm just shocked that they haven't tried him out as a number two for a game. Hope Clemens is alright.