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    Bernie stuff

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    Here we go again...

    Poor little (no)lapdogs need to quit barking and start paying better attention.

    I've been writing about Warner's hand/thumb for a long, long time. In good times and in bad. AGAIN, for the dense: It comes and goes. Sometimes he feels good and he throws well. And sometimes it flares up and he might as well throw LH. That's about the 1,000th time I've talked about this and I guess I have to keep saying it for as long as it takes.

    Let me correct another falsehood: team management supports Martz all the way on this. Like many of us, they were confused by Martz seemingly embracing Bulger, only to back off, then embracing him again. But I recently talked to Shaw at length about the Warner situation and he has no reservations. Same with Zygmunt. But one thing they weren't going to do was try to appease conspiracy-theory kooks by publicly running Warner down as he was being released. The team's decision to release Kurt speaks clearly about how they feel about Warner's long-term viability; what else needs to be said?

    I was in favor of getting a new QB long-term and Henson would have been a good move. Because even though Bulger was clearly the right choice over a damaged Warner in 2003, if Martz didn't have confidence in him to complete a pass with the season on the line vs. Carolina, then I don't understand why he had the confidence to give Bulger a new deal.

    Now that Bulger is the guy, we'll see how he does. There's a lot to like, but he has to get better. Cut down on INTs. Prove he can throw deep. Play more efficiently in the red zone.

    OK, now I'm done barking...

    Cheers,
    Bernie

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    The Denver Post wants to know.
    The paper is preparing a big special section on John Elway going into the Hall of Fame.

    The Denver Post asked all Hall of Fame voters (I'm one) to rank the Top 5 QBs of all time in list form, with "1" being the best.

    Really tough to pick only five...and then rank them.

    I'm going to send in my e-mail in response tomorrow.

    My first four...

    1. John Unitas
    2. Joe Montana
    3. John Elway
    4. Otto Graham

    Now, who is No. 5?

    Possible choices for me are Favre, Marino, Fouts, Tittle, Luckman, Baugh, Staubach, Tarkenton, Aikman, Starr. And maybe I'm overlooking someone.

    One day, maybe: Manning, Brady.

    These things are fun to discuss...

    have at it.

    Cheers,
    Bernie
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    I don't think Warner being around helped Bulger -- but that's no excuse for his second-half inconsistency. But clarity should benefit him. I don't think soap operas are good for young QBs.

    As for Martz and QBs....

    Check with him each day and see how fhe feels.

    He'll probably be giving a $43 million deal to Jeff Smoker in a few months.



    Cheers,
    Bernie
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    Naw, I've been writing about Warner's hand/thumb problems for a couple of years, and took quite a bit of heat for it back when Kurt refused to acknowledge being hurt. He later admitted that yes, it affected him.

    As I said before, a QB who stands around pulling and yanking and massaging his thumb all of the time -- and who can be seen shaking it frequently during practices -- isn't doing it for exercise.

    He does get a clean bill of health on previous fractures. But that's not the problem, unless he re-breaks something.

    Cheers,
    Bernie
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    Here's what I'm talking about....Bulger's QB rating last season was 81.4. Which ain't nothing special. But it's the same or better than the career ratings of (just to mention a few) Aikman, Unitas, Elway, STarr, Tarkenton, Griese, Fouts). Which DOESN'T mean he's as good as they are; I guess I'm just surprised that the illustrious QBs had such relatively low ratings....and maybe in those bygone days, there was less concern about completion percentage. I think the boys went downfield more, took more chances.

    All Time best QB ratings:

    1 KURT WARNER 97.2
    2 Steve Young 96.8
    3 Joe Montana * 92.3
    4 JEFF GARCIA 88.3
    5 PEYTON MANNING 88.1
    6 DAUNTE CULPEPPER + 88.0
    7 BRETT FAVRE 86.9
    8 Otto Graham * # 86.6
    9 Dan Marino 86.4
    10 TRENT GREEN 86.1
    11 TOM BRADY + 85.9
    12 MARK BRUNELL 85.2
    13 RICH GANNON 84.7
    14 Jim Kelly * 84.4
    15 BRAD JOHNSON 84.117
    16 STEVE McNAIR 84.076
    17 Roger Staubach * 83.4
    18 BRIAN GRIESE 83.0
    19 Neil Lomax 82.7
    20 Sonny Jurgensen * 82.63
    21 Len Dawson * 82.56
    22 AARON BROOKS + 82.1
    23 Ken Anderson 81.9
    24 Bernie Kosar 81.827
    25 NEIL O'DONNELL 81.816
    26 Danny White 81.7
    27 Troy Aikman 81.6
    28 Dave Krieg 81.50
    29 Randall Cunningham 81.47
    30 Boomer Esiason 81.1
    31 Warren Moon 80.9
    32 Jeff Hostetler 80.48
    33 Bart Starr * 80.47
    34 Ken O'Brien 80.44
    35 Jeff George 80.42
    36 Fran Tarkenton * 80.35
    37 STEVE BEUERLEIN 80.3
    38 Dan Fouts * 80.2
    39 John Elway * 79.9
    40 CHRIS CHANDLER 79.8
    41 Tony Eason 79.7
    42 Elvis Grbac 79.6
    43 DONOVAN McNABB 79.3
    44 Mark Rypien 78.9
    45 Jim Everett 78.6
    46 Phil Simms 78.5
    47 Bert Jones 78.21
    48 Johnny Unitas * 78.20
    49 Jim McMahon 78.18
    50 JEFF BLAKE 78.127
    51 JAY FIEDLER + 78.071
    52 Bobby Hebert 78.0
    53 Frank Ryan 77.61
    54 Jim Harbaugh 77.60
    55 Joe Theismann 77.4
    56 Bob Griese * 77.1
    57 Bill Kenney 77.0
    58 DREW BLEDSOE 76.7
    59 Erik Kramer 76.64
    60 Gary Danielson 76.58
    61 DOUG FLUTIE 76.3
    62 GUS FREROTTE 76.1
    63 Stan Humphries 75.8
    64 JON KITNA 75.7
    65 Wade Wilson 75.6
    66 Steve Bartkowski 75.4
    67 VINNY TESTAVERDE 75.363
    68 Ken Stabler 75.308
    69 Scott Mitchell 75.279
    70 Steve Bono 75.273
    71 TIM COUCH 75.136
    72 Norm Van Brocklin * 75.070
    73 Sid Luckman * 75.0
    74 Chris Miller 74.9
    75 Don Meredith 74.84
    76 Brian Sipe 74.80
    77 Y.A. Tittle * # 74.3
    78 Roman Gabriel 74.29
    79 Steve DeBerg 74.24
    80 Earl Morrall 74.1
    81 Craig Morton 73.5
    82 RODNEY PEETE 73.3
    83 KERRY COLLINS 73.1
    84 Don Majkowski 72.95
    85 Daryle Lamonica 72.944
    86 Greg Landry 72.938
    87 Ron Jaworski 72.78
    88 Tommy Kramer 72.77
    89 TONY BANKS 72.5
    90 Bubby Brister 72.28
    91 John Brodie 72.27
    92 Milt Plum 72.22
    93 Sammy Baugh * 72.21
    94 Billy Wade 72.19
    95 Jay Schroeder 71.7
    96 Bill Kilmer 71.6
    97 Bill Munson 71.5
    98 JAKE PLUMMER 71.2
    99 TRENT DILFER 71.1
    100 Lynn Dickey 70.94
    101 Terry Bradshaw * 70.92
    102 KORDELL STEWART 70.7
    103 Bill Nelson 70.2
    104 Vince Ferragamo 70.1
    105 Steve Grogan 69.6
    106 Doug Williams 69.4
    107 Charley Johnson 69.2
    108 Mike Tomczak 68.9
    109 Eric Hipple 68.7
    110 Joe Ferguson 68.4
    111 Charley Conerly 68.2
    112 Dave Brown 67.9
    113 Billy Joe Tolliver 67.74
    114 Marc Wilson 67.70
    115 Tom Flores 67.58
    116 Richard Todd 67.57
    117 Jim Plunkett 67.5
    118 John Hadl 67.4
    119 Jim Zorn 67.3
    120 Archie Manning 67.1
    121 Jim Hart 66.6
    122 Norm Snead 65.54
    123 Joe Namath * 65.46
    124 RICK MIRER 63.5
    125 Bobby Layne * 63.38
    126 Jack Trudeau 63.32
    127 Mike Livingston 63.28
    128 Mike Pagel 63.26
    129 Ed Brown 62.8
    130 Mark Malone 61.9
    131 Bob Waterfield * 61.6
    132 Eddie LeBaron 61.4
    133 George Blanda * 60.6
    134 Babe Parilli 59.6
    135 Dan Pastorini 59.1
    136 Jack Kemp 57.3
    137 Tobin Rote 56.8
    138 Cotton Davidson 54.9
    139 Mike Phipps 52.6
    140 Frank Tripucka 52.2
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    Re: Bernie stuff

    Quote Originally Posted by RamWraith
    I was in favor of getting a new QB long-term and Henson would have been a good move. Because even though Bulger was clearly the right choice over a damaged Warner in 2003, if Martz didn't have confidence in him to complete a pass with the season on the line vs. Carolina, then I don't understand why he had the confidence to give Bulger a new deal.
    Hasn't this issue been cleared up, and we now know that Martz's faltering confidence was targeted toward the multiple protection breakdowns and not specifically Bulger? I could have sworn I heard Howard talking about that, and saw an interview with Martz referring to it.
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