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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Rams, Bradford agree on six-year $78 million deal w/$50 mil guaran

    Quote Originally Posted by Rambunctious View Post
    For us slow people could you please explain why?
    We had a lot more leverage pre-draft when we could have negotiated with several players and played them against each other to cut down the money we're paying out. Instead we committed ourselves to one player and forfeited any leverage we could possibly have outside of the ceiling of the rookie cap. This literally cost the franchise millions of dollars.


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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Rams, Bradford agree on six-year $78 million deal w/$50 mil guaran

    Quote Originally Posted by PeoriaRam View Post
    Such as us not winning games?
    Peoria's back in action. Let the 2010 season begin babeh! Hooah!

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Rams, Bradford agree on six-year $78 million deal w/$50 mil guaran

    Quote Originally Posted by sjacksonrules View Post
    Ah shoot I guess I got drunk and feel asleep for the entire season were sam played and we didn't win at all.
    Well, we didn't hit the plural last year. And judging from the contract bonus parameters, we're assured of losing at least a couple of games under the incapable leadership of one AJ Feeley.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Rams, Bradford agree on six-year $78 million deal w/$50 mil guaran

    Quote Originally Posted by Bralidore(RAMMODE) View Post
    Peoria's back in action. Let the 2010 season begin babeh! Hooah!
    Begin? I've been in midseason form since March.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Rams, Bradford agree on six-year $78 million deal w/$50 mil guaran

    Quote Originally Posted by PeoriaRam View Post
    Well, we didn't hit the plural last year. And judging from the contract bonus parameters, we're assured of losing at least a couple of games under the incapable leadership of one AJ Feeley.
    I would swear that everyone started over at 0 losses every year but I guess I am wrong. I guess that means we should of never won a superbowl since we went 4 and 12 the season before....

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Rams, Bradford agree on six-year $78 million deal w/$50 mil guaran

    Quote Originally Posted by sjacksonrules View Post
    I would swear that everyone started over at 0 losses every year but I guess I am wrong. I guess that means we should of never won a superbowl since we went 4 and 12 the season before....
    That's 3 games and tons more talent clear of where we are now.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Rams, Bradford agree on six-year $78 million deal w/$50 mil guaran

    Quote Originally Posted by PeoriaRam View Post
    We had a lot more leverage pre-draft when we could have negotiated with several players and played them against each other to cut down the money we're paying out. Instead we committed ourselves to one player and forfeited any leverage we could possibly have outside of the ceiling of the rookie cap. This literally cost the franchise millions of dollars.
    You don't think the Rams tried negotiating with several players, probably the most common negotiating process at the top of the draft. In the end the Rams overwhelming need for a QB hurt us. Condon had a ton of leverage also. He knew the Rams would be hard pressed to sign a lineman for the millionith year in a row without having a franchise QB with Sam Bradford a perfectly capable Franchise QB available. Condon took advantage. The QB Premium makes sure other players won't be on the same level when negotiating deals. So how affective could the Rams have been comparing Suhs numbers to Bradfords. At the same slot Bradfords numbers would be inevitably higher. It was reported condon was looking for 50 mil all along and he got it.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Rams, Bradford agree on six-year $78 million deal w/$50 mil guaran

    Quote Originally Posted by PeoriaRam View Post
    We had a lot more leverage pre-draft when we could have negotiated with several players and played them against each other to cut down the money we're paying out. Instead we committed ourselves to one player and forfeited any leverage we could possibly have outside of the ceiling of the rookie cap. This literally cost the franchise millions of dollars.
    Were do your figures come from. Who said a process like that would save us 5-6 millions dollars? Please elaborate how such information could have come down to you.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Rams, Bradford agree on six-year $78 million deal w/$50 mil guaran

    Quote Originally Posted by 39thebeast View Post
    You don't think the Rams tried negotiating with several players, probably the most common negotiating process at the top of the draft. In the end the Rams overwhelming need for a QB hurt us. Condon had a ton of leverage also. He knew the Rams would be hard pressed to sign a lineman for the millionith year in a row without having a franchise QB with Sam Bradford a perfectly capable Franchise QB available. Condon took advantage. The QB Premium makes sure other players won't be on the same level when negotiating deals. So how affective could the Rams have been comparing Suhs numbers to Bradfords. At the same slot Bradfords numbers would be inevitably higher. It was reported condon was looking for 50 mil all along and he got it.
    Word of God from every party was that contract negotiations, or even simple exchanges of numbers, did not happen pre-draft. That's usually a pretty good sign that our years and years of football experience led us to toss that process out the window. As for why Suh's number works for us...we (still do frankly) had a rather pronounced need for a Big DT, and were confronting a 2011 Draft Class loaded with QBs. We could simply have passed on getting teh Glorious Franchise QB!!!!!111111oneone until next season. Forget the fanbase, they won't come when the losses start up again this season, so ticket sales should not be a factor.

    Quote Originally Posted by 01d 0rd3r View Post
    Were do your figures come from. Who said a process like that would save us 5-6 millions dollars? Please elaborate how such information could have come down to you.
    Somehow I doubt Suh approaches Bradford's numbers in the contract demands, due to the above stated reasons. And Bradford plummets in the draft if we don't take him, which means that he stood to lose a decent amount of coin if he took a hard line. Instead, leverage did a 180 post draft.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Rams, Bradford agree on six-year $78 million deal w/$50 mil guaran

    Quote Originally Posted by PeoriaRam View Post
    Word of God from every party was that contract negotiations, or even simple exchanges of numbers, did not happen pre-draft. That's usually a pretty good sign that our years and years of football experience led us to toss that process out the window. As for why Suh's number works for us...we (still do frankly) had a rather pronounced need for a Big DT, and were confronting a 2011 Draft Class loaded with QBs. We could simply have passed on getting teh Glorious Franchise QB!!!!!111111oneone until next season. Forget the fanbase, they won't come when the losses start up again this season, so ticket sales should not be a factor.



    Somehow I doubt Suh approaches Bradford's numbers in the contract demands, due to the above stated reasons. And Bradford plummets in the draft if we don't take him, which means that he stood to lose a decent amount of coin if he took a hard line. Instead, leverage did a 180 post draft.
    2011 you never know what could happen with the QB class you never know who could get hurt and all those guys you are talking about are underclassmen except for locker. Also who says your in position to take one of those guys. Way to many what ifs when you had a Franchise QB you liked right in front of you. The Fans are the ones buying your product. They are not the determining factor behind every decision, but they definitely have to be considered especially when you have been fielding such a bad product lately.

    Would he have plummeted? At most he falls to 7 and who says someone doesn't trade up to get there franchise QB. he probably isn't making 86 mill but he probably is making money somewhere in the 70 mil range.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Rams, Bradford agree on six-year $78 million deal w/$50 mil guaran

    Quote Originally Posted by PeoriaRam View Post
    Word of God from every party was that contract negotiations, or even simple exchanges of numbers, did not happen pre-draft. That's usually a pretty good sign that our years and years of football experience led us to toss that process out the window. As for why Suh's number works for us...we (still do frankly) had a rather pronounced need for a Big DT, and were confronting a 2011 Draft Class loaded with QBs. We could simply have passed on getting teh Glorious Franchise QB!!!!!111111oneone until next season. Forget the fanbase, they won't come when the losses start up again this season, so ticket sales should not be a factor.

    More 2011 draft speculating...


    Let's say Jake Locker, Andrew Luck, and overhyped Ryan Mallett gets injured, or have a bad year. Hell, people might even actually start looking at their technique and mechanics next year, and will find plenty of ways to dissect them. Would everyone still be thinking that they are top "franchise" QBs?

    Who would we draft then? Fan-boy Terrelle Pryor?


    And let's play the speculating game then. Supposedly next year there are plenty of elite/top tier DE's and DT's coming out.





    So let's say we don't pick our franchise quarterback this year. Instead, we went with Suh (Peoria jumps with excitement now). Would we have more wins? Is Suh really going to make that much of a difference in his rookie year that he will directly contribute to us having more wins?

    Oh and by the way, who would be our QB for this season then? Scape goat Marc Bulger, or even A.J Feeley, who you proclaim to be inefficient?

    You don't like any of our quarterbacks, or former ones who have been here, like Boller, Bulger, Feeley, Null, yet you don't want a fresh upgrade to the position...



    I would take Clifton Ryan + Fred Robbins at DT and Bradford at QB any day of the week rather than Clifton Ryan + Suh at DT and Feeley/Bulger/mediocre player at QB.




    And I am a big Bulger supporter, but it was time to part ways with him, like it or not.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Rams, Bradford agree on six-year $78 million deal w/$50 mil guaran

    Stafford's deal paid him $3.1 million as a rookie and included a $17.4 million roster bonus this year. Much of the purported guaranteed money publicized were that option bonus along with salaries in later years that depend on him hitting playing-time incentives.

    Maybe we should hold off on judging these monster numbers until we get a reliable source for a similar break down on Bradford's deal.

    Frankly, I'm poor enough to be sick with envy over the $300 grand+ minimum wage these guys earn, never mind this. I'm just glad it's done.

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Rams, Bradford agree on six-year $78 million deal w/$50 mil guaran

    Quote Originally Posted by PeoriaRam View Post
    Word of God from every party was that contract negotiations, or even simple exchanges of numbers, did not happen pre-draft. That's usually a pretty good sign that our years and years of football experience led us to toss that process out the window.
    I think you'll find they did talk pre-draft:

    March 25, 2010 - 10:15 AM ET

    The Rams have begun preliminary contract negotiations with the player reps for QB Sam Bradford and DTs Ndamukong Suh and Gerald McCoy.

    They've even touched base with QB Jimmy Clausen. "We're really just comparing notes," said executive VP of football operations Kevin Demoff, who added that he will begin "trading" numbers with agents in early April. If the ownership uncertainty doesn't preclude the Rams from selecting Bradford, they're still unlikely to get into hard numbers until after his March 29 pro day and April 12 team visit.
    Source: St. Louis Post-Dispatch

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Rams, Bradford agree on six-year $78 million deal w/$50 mil guaran

    Bradford would have still had a ridiculously high contract whether he was taken 1st, 2nd or 3rd. While Suh or McCoy would have been cheaper, it's that QB premium that bumps up the contract.

    And negotiating with Bradford before the draft would not have made a difference. It takes two sides to make a contract, and Bradford's agent knew he would get big money whereever Sam was taken. So if the Rams used the bargaining chip of "But Suh will be 5-6 million cheaper", Condon, Bradford's agent, can just turn around and say "Well then sign Suh."

    You have to remember that while Bradford wants his shot in the NFL, there were many teams wanting to draft him in the top end of the draft. If the Rams pass on him, he gets big money elsewhere. To sign him, the Rams had to fork out that money, because honestly, they had no leverage. The FO can't afford to have a first round pick that will help the team sitting over a contract dispute, and Condon knew that.

    But it seems your gripe over the contract of Sam Bradford isn't the numbers, it's that we picked Sam Bradford. Well guess what? It's done. Sam is a Ram and there is nothing that can be done now. So instead of moaning about every little thing to do with Bradford, how about getting behind the team?

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    Re: BREAKING NEWS: Rams, Bradford agree on six-year $78 million deal w/$50 mil guaran

    I'm glad he's in camp, but really....did we have to pay the guy 50 mil guranteed??? Yes he reminds you physcially of Peyton, but we could have given him between 42-45 mil (since Matthew got 41 and some change last year guaranteed). Oh well, time to get to work and see if he can wrestle the #1 job away from A.J. Feely.

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