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    Brian Schottenheimer not hired as HC at Vanderbilt

    Reports: Vanderbilt to hire Stanford DC Derek Mason as head coach. Glad we are not changing at this time. Sam has enough to deal with.
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    Re: Brian Schottenheimer not hired as HC at Vanderbilt

    Quote Originally Posted by Rambos View Post
    Reports: Vanderbilt to hire Stanford DC Derek Mason as head coach. Glad we are not changing at this time. Sam has enough to deal with.
    Agreed. Let's hope Sam stays healthy next year. If not, he might be have to be called a bust regardless of his talent level. Doesn't matter how good you are if you can't stay on the field.

    But I think there's good things to come with Sam.

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    Re: Brian Schottenheimer not hired as HC at Vanderbilt

    This is a win for the Rams' organization. Less obstacles and less excuses. 2014 is--I'm praying--the year (and start) we begin our ascension to the top.


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    Re: Brian Schottenheimer not hired as HC at Vanderbilt

    Good.

    Let coach Schottenheimer keep building that résumé as the Rams keep building as well. As V6 said, this may be the year when things can really take off towards strength and successes and the offense is on ist way.

    Thanks for the news Rambos.

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    Re: Brian Schottenheimer not hired as HC at Vanderbilt

    Good news. Much to be said for consistency. I had visions of Jeff reconnecting with Mike Shanahan as our OC if Schotty went to Vandy. Granted it would be a "Whisenhunt" type hire until he got a HC gig. Jeff and Mike are good friends from their days in SF. They certainly agree on philosophy, run first.

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    Re: Brian Schottenheimer not hired as HC at Vanderbilt

    I'd like some of what the rest of you are smoking. Shotty is Mr. Vanilla and has no idea how to put together the O gameplan it takes to win in today's NFL.

    I was excited that he could go elsewhere. Bradford has been around 4 years if he can't pick up a pro offense by now he's probably not going too and keeping a lousy OC isn't going to help the Rams win in the toughest division in football.

    My unpopular (here) opinion is to dump both and bring some charisma to the offense.

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    Re: Brian Schottenheimer not hired as HC at Vanderbilt

    Quote Originally Posted by itsguud View Post
    I'd like some of what the rest of you are smoking. Shotty is Mr. Vanilla and has no idea how to put together the O gameplan it takes to win in today's NFL.

    I was excited that he could go elsewhere. Bradford has been around 4 years if he can't pick up a pro offense by now he's probably not going too and keeping a lousy OC isn't going to help the Rams win in the toughest division in football.

    My unpopular (here) opinion is to dump both and bring some charisma to the offense.
    Charisma huh .. So even if we can't score very often, we'll at least look good trying - is that it?

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    Re: Brian Schottenheimer not hired as HC at Vanderbilt

    Gordon: Fans hope Schottenheimer leaves

    By Jeff Gordon

    Many, many Rams fans want offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer to get the head coaching job at Vanderbilt. They are on his side for a change.

    This move would force them to find another whipping boy, but fans are willing to pay that price to refresh the Rams offense.

    Schottenheimer gets the Pat Shurmur Treatment week after week in the Rams Talk forum and in our various live chats. He takes the fall for everything this side of global warming.

    Every failed play was a terrible call. Every three-and-out offensive possession was his personal responsibility.

    Some fans believe the Rams were poised to unleash an epic offensive fury on the NFL this season. They believe the Rams were prepared to make scoreboards explode with rapid-fire touchdown strikes – only to see Schottenheimer stifle that awesome attack with his pedestrian game-planning and play-calling.

    In this corner of cyberspace, the sloppy execution of the Rams offense was always a bigger concern than the Xs and Os. Listless route-running, missed blitz reads, passes caroming off the bodies of unresponsive receivers, pre-snap penalties galore . . . this is what happens when a team enters a season with many prospects but no proven playmakers.

    Football experts found plenty to hate about Schottenheimer’s scheming. Refuting such criticism is impossible, given unit’s poor production. Results are results.

    The bigger concern, though, was the halting development of so many skill position players. Tavon Austin belatedly made an impact before suffering a season-ending injury. Zac Stacy eventually emerged as a viable feature back and Stedman Bailey finally became a reliable possession receiver late in the season.

    Tight end Jared Cook flashed his potential here and there, but never became a consistent force. Chris Givens surfaced on occasion, but Brian Quick remained virtually invisible in the passing game.

    Should the coaching staff have done a better job developing those players? Or are some of those guys hopelessly flawed and destined to wash out of the league, Mardy Gilyard-like?

    That is one of the great debates with this organization.

    The Rams made little progress this season. Their red zone efficiency improved before Sam Bradford’s injury.

    Their shift back to a ground-and-pound approach was generally successful. The team won some games with scatter-armed Kellen Clemens at quarterback, which is no small feat.

    (In Schottenheimer’s previous gig, he won a lot of games with disaster-prone Mark Sanchez playing quarterback for the Jets. Again, that was no small feat.)

    The Rams could build on their 2013 gains by shoring up the injury-battered offensive line, returning Bradford to good health, drafting a developmental quarterback with real upside and adding an established wide receiver.

    Fans would prefer more dramatic change, which is why they demanded Schottenheimer’s firing morning, noon and night, week after week, month after month.

    But as Rams fans have seen, changing coordinators is seldom a magic wand solution.

    The Shurmur Era ended when he moved on to the Cleveland Browns as head coach. He struggled in that role, too, largely because he had terrible players.

    The Rams tried to open up the offense by hiring offensive mastermind Josh McDaniels to replace Shurmur. Trouble was, they lacked viable downfield passing threats and an offensive line sturdy enough to protect the seven-step drop back.

    McDaniels failed spectacularly. He returned home to New England, where he immediately regained his genius label while overseeing better talent.

    (He recently backed out of the Cleveland Browns head coaching search, probably because that franchise has terrible players.)

    Now the Schottenheimer Era could end with his ascension to head coaching. The Vanderbilt job would be a lot like the Browns job for Shurmur, an uphill fight.

    IMO, the Rams coordinator’s job for 2014 offers Schottenheimer a better opportunity to advance his career. The team has a more realistic offensive scheme for the talent in place on both sides of the ball.

    Stacy, Austin and Bailey appear to be much better players than Isaiah Pead, Quick and Givens.

    But Vanderbilt would give Schottenheimer a chance to succeed or fail on his own merits. He would ultimately be responsible for his personnel.

    Given his experiences at Rams Park, that must have some serious appeal.

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    Re: Brian Schottenheimer not hired as HC at Vanderbilt

    One thing Schotty needs to improve on is his adjustments when the running game isn't working. But then again, it's Clemens we're talking about under center.

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    Re: Brian Schottenheimer not hired as HC at Vanderbilt

    Quote Originally Posted by MauiRam View Post
    Charisma huh .. So even if we can't score very often, we'll at least look good trying - is that it?
    Classic... maybe check and see how often we score compared to rest of the league before making that statement... we've been pretty terrible under Shotty and with Bradford.

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    Re: Brian Schottenheimer not hired as HC at Vanderbilt

    Schotty gets called vanilla, but before Bradford's injury the Rams were the best team in the red zone in the NFL. Until going for it on 4th down against Carolina and failing, the Rams scored on every trip to the red zone. And remember that was at a time when the run offense was dire as Zac Stacy hadn't been involved.

    Also, you could hardly call the play calling 'vanilla', off the top of my head Schotty called:
    - a WR reverse pass for Tavon Austin to attempt a pass, even though it was well covered so Austin threw it away (good quarterbacking by the way!)
    - whatever you would call that absolutely brutal designed reverse run against the Bears, where Austin cut on a dime and had Kendricks out lead blocking and took it for a TD
    - a WR reverse to Stedman Bailey against Tampa, when everyone assumed that had gone from the playbook after Austin went down

    It defies belief how often everyone forgets the great playcalls and only remembers the bad.
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    Re: Brian Schottenheimer not hired as HC at Vanderbilt

    And remember that was at a time when the run offense was dire as Zac Stacy hadn't been involved.
    Stacy played three games with Bradford. He made it look really easy for Sam. Bradford when having Stacy in the backfield had a QB RAT 111. Had seven TD to one INT. Zac ran well during those game but did not have a running TD to that point.

    We scored 34,38 and 15 points in those games...Quick dropped a sure TD against the Panthers. Still 29 points a game.

    Can't wait until these two get to work together again!
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