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    Re: Brian Young

    Quote Originally Posted by coy bacon
    It would not have bothered me at all to have dumped Kennedy
    It would have bothered you when the accelerated dead money from making that move would have helped cripple the team's ability to resign Young in the first place. You have to look at this realistically.

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    Re: Brian Young

    Mr. Seiler: (did I get it right this time? I'd hate to not give credit to your wealth of pearls and wisdom)

    Quote Originally Posted by NickSeiler
    I must have forgot your telepathy gives you access to the minds and true motives of every NFL owner and GM of the time. :bored:
    Your sarcasm is unbecoming, but it shouldn't surprise anyone by now. In fact, you're so personable that I thought I'd flatter you by imitating you.

    Really, you have absolutely no idea whether or not another team would have taken a chance at Crouch later in the draft.
    Well you don't know for certain whether any team would have, but that didn't stop you from citing to two teams "looking at" Crouch as being somehow indicative of Crouch's athleticism.

    Unless you can provide public sources to confirm that, you're being pretty presumptuous by saying every other team knew something different on Mr. Crouch.
    Save you're arrant pedantry for someone who cares. You didn't cite to any public sources to establish your claim, but now it is a fault because I didn't. And speaking of presumtiveness, you're a good example of the tea pot calling the kettle black. You suggest I am presumptive despite the fact you presume to know what I do or do not know and/or who are or are not my sources and/or whether the validity of my statement depends on satisfying your demands.

    Have a good day Mr. Seiler. Before long you'll be a legend in your own mind and that will be enough testimony for the rest of us to accept your denigration without question.

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    Re: Brian Young

    Quote Originally Posted by adarian_too
    Well you don't know for certain whether any team would have, but that didn't stop you from citing to two teams "looking at" Crouch as being somehow indicative of Crouch's athleticism.
    KFFL.com reports that both teams I mentioned visited with Crouch. To me, that expresses some level of interest. But you're right, I have no idea if any team would have drafted Crouch had the Rams not drafted him. My point though wasn't that Crouch would be drafted, but rather that the Rams FO wasn't the only team in the league to think Crouch could bring something to the table.


    Quote Originally Posted by adarian_too
    Save you're arrant pedantry for someone who cares. You didn't cite to any public sources to establish your claim, but now it is a fault because I didn't.
    I just did. I'll be waiting for your's.


    Quote Originally Posted by adarian_too
    And speaking of presumtiveness, you're a good example of the tea pot calling the kettle black. You suggest I am presumptive despite the fact you presume to know what I do or do not know and/or who are or are not my sources and/or whether the validity of my statement depends on satisfying your demands.
    Yes, that was presumptuous of me to assume you didn't know every NFL owner and GM. I apoligize for assuming that wasn't true. :confused:

    But my point still stands: unless you have insight about what every NFL owner and GM who was actively working for a franchise the year Crouch was drafted thought about him, then it's presumptuous of you to assume that a majority of league teams what you did about Crouch. Are you saying you do have that kind of insight? If so, how?


    Quote Originally Posted by adarian_too
    Have a good day Mr. Seiler. Before long you'll be a legend in your own mind and that will be enough testimony for the rest of us to accept your denigration without question.
    When you're done taking pot shots while subsequently showing off your vocab, let me know. Personally, I'd love to talk about football and actually debate the points of the topic. I'm sorry if that's not on your agenda for the day. As for my day, it's been pretty good so far, thanks.
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    Re: Brian Young

    Quote Originally Posted by JOPLIN
    Oh Lord. Won't you buy me a Mercendes Benz? My friends all drive Porches and I must make amends.
    Don't try to confuse the issues now that your incessant babbling has been shown to be what it is.


    Quote Originally Posted by NickSeiler
    My point though wasn't that Crouch would be drafted, but rather that the Rams FO wasn't the only team in the league to think Crouch could bring something to the table.
    Don't try to rewrite history, that wasn't your point. Your point was to be fair. In your own words, you said: "Well, lets be fair."

    Only then you proceeded to state that two other teams were "looking at" Crouch. In your last post you reitterate that point, this time citing to KFFL.com. Going back after the fact, to point to your "public source" (I did. I'll be waiting for yours.) doesn't invalidate my point at the time. Which was that it was equally fair to deduce by the silence of 30 other teams that drafting Crouch wasn't prudent. (We also deduce that from the fact that no team offered to trade the Rams for their 3rd round pick so they could be sure to get Crouch). I said nothing more.

    Apparently, you took exception to me insinuating that Coy's remarks were unrelated to fairness; but, for the sake of argument, if fairness were a standard, then there were enough grounds to not make "fairness" an issue at all.


    Quote Originally Posted by NickSeiler
    I'm sorry.
    You are. But we can move on and accept your apology.


    Quote Originally Posted by NickSeiler
    When you're done taking pot shots while subsequently trying to impress with your vocab, let me know.
    And while we are demonstrating mock contrition, let me extend my apologies too. Assuming that "vocab" refers to some simpleton slang for "vocabulary," I'm sorry you assumed I was trying to impress you or anyone else when I stated that you were "a legend in your own mind". I won't take for granted next time that you can understand multi-syllable words like "legend".

    Whatever "pot shots" you perceive, remember that all I did was address the issue of "fairness." You are the one that mockingly referred to "telepathy." You are the one who originated the position that it was all right to make a claim without citing to a "public source" You are the one who called me "presumptuous" for doing no less than you did yourself. And then in retort you do cite to the source as if doing so after the fact absolves you from your failure to do so initially. Another specious logic technique that should be taken behind the tool shed and beaten like a rug.

    But since you seem to have all the time in the world to split hairs over each word or phrase, I have left you with a new batch to argue with yourself over.

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    Re: Brian Young

    Quote Originally Posted by adarian_too
    But since you seem to have all the time in the world to split hairs over each word or phrase, I have left you with a new batch to argue with yourself over.
    I'd prefer not to waste my time. Frankly, I have better things to do.
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    Re: Brian Young

    Is Eric Crouch really worth fighting over?

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    Re: Brian Young

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam
    Is Eric Crouch really worth fighting over?
    His parents would probably say yes.....but, I think that would be the extent of the "yes" votes.

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    Re: Brian Young

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam
    Is Eric Crouch really worth fighting over?
    Only in the off-season.

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    Re: Brian Young

    you guys are wasting your time. coy will never be able to understand the salary cap implications from cutting someone.

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    Re: Brian Young

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam
    Is Eric Crouch really worth fighting over?
    Fight over Crouch > Fight over Bernard Holsey

    So until something better comes up...
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    Re: Brian Young

    Interestingly enough, the Chiefs had Crouch in for a workout yesterday as a safety. Odd coincidence.
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    Re: Brian Young

    Wow coy bacon, nothing like a thread with a dual controversy attatched. I am not sure the Young was our best DT. He certainly managed to stay healthy and contribute. Something that comes to my mind is the thought of the amount of double teams that the idividual DTs might face. I don't have a break-down, but I have to wonder if other teams were double teaming Young as much as say Pickett.


    As far as the salary cap and the call for open books, I have seen those figures on the web site that tx mentioned. I really don't think there is a cover-up going on with the salary cap these days. I don't understand what kind of conspiracy could be going on or how teams might be cooking the books. Again, I propose to simply abolish the stinkin salary cap and then we would all have something to complain about. Before the cap, our Rams were notoriously cheap. Instead of complaining about books we would all be complaining about Georgia not spending any money to try to field a competitive team. Then she would blame it all on lack of fan support and request to move the team again.

    As far as crouch goes, how many of you can honestly say you were hoping the Rams would draft him as a wide receiver? I doubt one of you would raise your hand....LOL

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    Re: Brian Young

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferter
    how teams might be cooking the books
    Calling me back out Ferter? Not very funny if you were waiting to ask me. But I will say this. When I "call for the books" what I would like to see is the actual breakdown of "dead money." Who gets roster, signing, and workout bonuses. Add to which I would like to know if there any other types of "bonuses". Having a real-time example of salary cap status would clarify how "dead money" is allocated over the years, whose previous accruals is the team still obligated to honor.

    I am not sure that I would go to the extreme of suggesting that the Rams "cook the books." The purpose it would serve is to verify how much money is truely available. Am I sceptical? Clearly. Not because of the degree to which the 49erd went to to secure talent. But whether when the FO claims that renegotiation is impractical or that there is not enough money to sign all draft picks, resign veterans, and sign new talent, there have been no mistakes made in spreadsheet calculations and formula applications.

    How much of a person's salary is offset by a "veteran's minimum?" Some times contract figures are not disclosed. Some times figures contadict each other when viewing different sources. All I want is one time to see an actual breakdown so that I could duplicate the model on my own. Also if there is an "insider" privy to actual numbers when new people are signed I would like to rely on the individual on a regular basis because they have proven to be credible.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ferter
    Again, I propose to simply abolish the stinkin salary cap and then we would all have something to complain about. Before the cap, our Rams were notoriously cheap. Instead of complaining about books we would all be complaining about Georgia not spending any money to try to field a competitive team. Then she would blame it all on lack of fan support and request to move the team again.
    And in there I think you make part of my point. The salary cap serves, by implication if not by actual use, to deflect attention away from the spending habits of owners. A cynic might say that the salary cap acts, at times, as a flimsy excuse as to why FOs don't do more - even in terms of restructuring contracts. It distracts fans from mounting a steady drum beat of respecting loyalty and service. But ... whatever ... excuse me while I

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    Re: Brian Young

    Wow, since when do I start off heated discussions? Gee, one would think that I'm Av or Trout or something.

    Tanus, you are right, I am not an expert on the salary cap thing, but I get the gist of it. It ain't rocket science. But, don't overlook my point. Our FO could have been creative, and they weren't. I suspect that someone's or several prides and egos are involved and they don't want to be known as the dufus who made some bad #1 picks.

    We all agree that the last couple of seasons our interior DL was a weakness. We all agree that the 3 number one picks we have have been underachievers thus far. I'm saying that by now the FO should have figured it out and addressed the need. They haven't yet. Instead we have seen a steady draining of talent and a weakening occur.

    If Tx is right about our DL being the key to next season, what rational person would bet on the 3 #1s now? I would bet against them.

    No, the FO should have found a way to keep proven performers instead of keeping up hope in failed picks thus far. We've all seen enough manipulations by various FOs that if they wanted to do it, and had the creativity, they could have done it.

    I think I echo Adarian's point about the salary cap thing being an excuse for an FO for not doing more.

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    I am not calling you out per se, I understand it appears that way, but I was basically calling out the notion. You are not the only person to bring up the notion, just the most recent. I was not trying to be funny, rather I am trying to understand what I seem to be missing.

    All of this is out in the open. There are people or reporters or inquiring minds or whoever that keep track of this stuff. It's all there, the salary, the bonus, the cap hit, the dead money, etc. I guess I just don't understand exactly what maneuvering room, that some feel, is available. Restructring a contract is a two-way deal. A FO can't just do it without a cooperative player. I suppose the FO could play hardball and demand a player restructure, but if the player refuses.....then what? Restructure him out the door? Fine with me, but then you have that dead money thing again. A vicious cycle indeed. The question I still have to this day is: Who needs the salary cap? The players? The owners? The fans? The NFL? I guess it depends on who you ask. The thing I don't understand is how NFL fans from a capitalistic society have bought into a communistic salary cap?

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