Bulger has always been an average QB that couldn't carry a team to victory?

[r8rh8rmike]

Originally Posted by NY RAMFAN

Hold on a second Mike, are you implying that Hightower is Faulk, Boldin Fitzgerald and Breaston are Holt, Bruce and Prohel/Ismail? I don't think so, the difference maker is the QB, is not fair to either of them to be compared to each other. From my point of view Kurt is way better than Marc at any given time of their careers.

The point isn't who is better or who has had the better weapons, it's that both Bulger and Warner have been put in difficult situations that have made them look bad and play bad football. Warner was cast aside by two teams and benched by a third because he could not carry those teams by himself, yet he was able to thrive and resurrect his career when put in a stable situation with good support. I think Bulger can do the same if given that opportunity.

[RamsInfiniti]

Originally Posted by NY RAMFAN

Hold on a second Mike, are you implying that Hightower is Faulk, Boldin Fitzgerald and Breaston are Holt, Bruce and Prohel/Ismail? I don't think so, the difference maker is the QB, is not fair to either of them to be compared to each other. From my point of view Kurt is way better than Marc at any given time of their careers.
Would we loose if we had #13 instead of #10, probably yes, would we suck this much in offense though? we'll never know, I don't think so, but I have no empirical evidence to back this up.
Also, remember that Kurt was benched and just when Leinart sucked he played again and start kicking ass, maybe that's what Marc needs, unfortunately our back up and 3rd string are no good.
I'm sure that many of our problems resides in our OL, but many other are in Marc's head. I hope he can work his own issues and fast, because I wouldn't want to see $65mm spent on a QB with a 67% rate.

Boldin and Fitzgerald are a nearly impossible duo of wideouts to cover, IMO, moreso than even Holt and Bruce in their primes. If they stay together, I think it is very fair to say they could go down as they most dominant duo in history. They have physical tools that neither Holt or Bruce ever had.

And for the most part, Kurt drops back and does not have to worry about being hit much. You put Kurt into our current lineup, and he would have been dead several weeks ago.

[BIG-BLUE]

Originally Posted by r8rh8rmike

These same things could have been said about a guy who was booted out of St. Louis, left for dead by New York and banished to the bench and into obscurity in Arizona.

Hasn't Kurt Warner, who was as down and out as Bulger is now, maybe even more, proven that a signal caller with battered QB syndrome can return to an elite level when those around him give CONSISTENT, UNIFIED support??

I see no reason why Bulger can't do the same with the line, backfield and recieving corps all doing their jobs at the same time on a regular basis.

This league is about winning bottom line. Bulger & the rest of the team have sunk into a complete tail spin. The problems with Bulger is he is a very average QB that needs talent around him to succeed. He's the type of QB you ask for him not to lose the game for you instead of winning it, If we ever put together a solid line & running game with a smash mouth style of defense then maybe Bulger will once again look good. But by the time all this happens Bulger will be like Trent Green, just 1 concussion away from retirement.
Bottom line signing Bulger long term was a huge mistake by the front office as hindsight can see & we are stuck with him for at least one more year.

[r8rh8rmike]

Originally Posted by BIG-BLUE

This league is about winning bottom line. Bulger & the rest of the team have sunk into a complete tail spin. The problems with Bulger is he is a very average QB that needs talent around him to succeed. He's the type of QB you ask for him not to lose the game for you instead of winning it, If we ever put together a solid line & running game with a smash mouth style of defense then maybe Bulger will once again look good. But by the time all this happens Bulger will be like Trent Green, just 1 concussion away from retirement. Bottom line signing Bulger long term was a huge mistake by the front office as hindsight can see & we are stuck with him for at least one more year.

This league is about winning, and Kurt Warner, who's long term signing was also blasted by many, didn't do it when under the same circumstances Bulger is in now. That's why he bounced around the NFL. Who knows, maybe Bulger will follow the same path before he gets his game back, because if the parts around him continue to be inconsistent and offer little support, he's most certainly not going to turn things around and probably won't remain a Ram.

[Nick]

Originally Posted by theodus69

Bulger doesn't really lead

I'm intrigued by how a fan who is on the outside looking in can really make judgments about a guy's leadership or lack there of. Think of how much interaction between teammates we don't get to see as fans. Bulger has been voted a team captain by his teammates multiple times, yet apparently isn't a leader? Interesting.

Originally Posted by Falconator

the "real future" starts for the Rams when they draft their franchise QB......if you don't want the future to start in 2009, by all means go ahead and draft an offensive tackle next year - maybe 2010 you guys can start over with a franchise QB

Really? Did the "real future" for previously 1-15 Miami start when they took a QB first overall this past year? Oh wait, they took an offensive tackle and found a QB through other means, and now have a 7-5 record.

Have the Raiders started their "real future" since drafting JaMarcus Russell? Last I checked, they had one more win than the Rams did. What role does Vince Young currently play in Tennessee's "real future," or Matt Leinart in Arizona's? Alex Smith for San Fran?

Though I may disagree with it, arguing that the Rams should draft a quarterback in the first round is a legitimate viewpoint. That being said, when you oversimplify the discussion to suggest that teams can't start their "real future" unless they draft a QB, you present a pretty flawed argument.

Originally Posted by BIG-BLUE

Bulger is not & never will be a top tier QB, he needs to be in a perfect situation for him to succeed.

From 2002 to 2006, a five-year span, Bulger put up consistently good numbers that earned him a passer rating of 91.3. I think we can all agree that's a pretty high average for a five-year period, no?

Bulger played in sixty games over that span, threw 2,106 pass attempts, and was sacked 165 times. That's an average of one sack every 12.7 pass attempts. To compare, Peyton Manning has played for 11 years to date, a total of 172 games, nearly triple the number Bulger has been in. Manning, in his career, has only been sacked 38 more times than Bulger. On average, he gets sacked on average once every 28.8 attempts. Part of that is his ability to get rid of the ball, but I would say a large part is the talented offensive line and weapons he has around him.

Let's look at some other numbers, though. Through those same years, 2002 through 2006, the Rams' pass protection when compared to other teams according to sacks allowed ranked 27th ('02), 24th ('03), 27th ('04), 26th ('05), and 27th ('06). During this time frame, the Rams ranked 30th ('02), 30th ('03), 25th ('04), 22nd ('05), and 17th ('06) in average rushing yards per game. Defensively, the Rams fielded units that ranked 23rd (02), 17th (03), 25th (04), 31st (05), and 28th (06) in scoring defense. So to summarize, the pass protection, the running game, and defense's ability to keep opponents out of the endzone was at best average though more regularly poor during the span of Bulger's successes.

This is what you call a perfect situation?

I understand that Bulger had a great duo at WR in Holt and Bruce. He had a nice number three target in Curtis, who really emerged in '05 and '06. And I acknowledge that he was also part of an offensive scheme that, by design, was productive. But looking at the whole picture, I don't know how you can say he can only succeed under perfect conditions when his biggest successes came when he had poor protection, a poor to average running game for support, and little help from the defense in keeping the opposition off the scoreboard.

[NY RAMFAN]

Originally Posted by RamsInfiniti

Not quite sure what you are "disagreeing" with me on here, considering this post was about Bulger's good play in the past. I gave no account on what I currently think of his play ...

In that case I misunderstood the message, I still don't understand how his past peformance can help him/us/the rams in the future.
He was good, no doubt about it, can he be as good again . . . I don't know, I do hope so

Originally Posted by RamsInfiniti

You put Kurt into our current lineup, and he would have been dead several weeks ago.

Couldn't agree with you more on this one, but I still think that he can put more points than Marc in Marc's current situation. Again, no solid explanation just a hunch

Originally Posted by r8rh8rmike

I think Bulger can do the same if given that opportunity.

I hope so, and I hope he does it with us, I still think that maybe because the way Kurt had to make his way into the NFL, (his whole history from backup to the arena, to europe, etc) made him stronger and allowed him to bounce back, I don't know if Marc is that strong. . .(plus the fact that Murt has a ring).
Don't crucify me, I like Marc (those that don't remember that game in seattle just need to refresh their memory, that W was all his), I'm upset with his game now as everybody else (including himself, I'm sure), but I still think that Kurt is better, and give him our team and OL (or lack of thereof) and he would be doing better than Marc.
I don't know, however, how many other QB's can do better than Marc in his current position. . . I'd say from few to none

[BEER]

Originally Posted by RamsInfiniti

.... 2001-2006 ....

60 games played ...

65.1 Comp %, 250.1 YPG, 95 TD, 59 INT, 90 + QB RATE ....

36-24 Record (.600 Pct) as starter ...

16 game winning 4th quarter drives - I guess he didn't play an active role in any of this ...

Just wondering what the opinion is from those that claim Bulger has "always sucked" or that he "cannot read defenses". Did he put up those number by luck?

He put up those numbers with a pass every down mike martz Offence!

I agree that he used to be better, or even good, but never a, "lead my team
to the superbowl type of guy".

[PeoriaRam]

Originally Posted by BEER

He put up those numbers with a pass every down mike martz Offence!

I agree that he used to be better, or even good, but never a, "lead my team
to the superbowl type of guy".

Well, neither was Trent Dilfer, but he'll be happy to show you the blingage all the same.

[JPPT1974]

Makes you kind of wish, that we had Kurt Warner back.
But Warner seems happy in AZ!

[RealRam]

In fairness to buddy Bulger, he's coping with a L O T of bad and/or frustating and/or inconsistent and/or ... what-have-you types of resources in his woeful 2008 offense.

That's why I'm holding back on giving him the thumb down. What he's going though is really not reflecting his potential. Regardless, I hope that time doesn't leave him behind, just as injuries sometimes thwart other players with immense talent and a promising future that, eventually, was all for not.

As I said before, I still support the man and wish him much better days / games ahead.

[Fortuninerhater]

We could all go on and on about Marc Bulger and everyone weighing in on him, would be right to some degree. Therefore there's no real reason to give an opinion here.

Because of his contract, we are likely stuck with him whether he stinks or not for the forseeable future. So like it or not, we may as well get used to it.

[RealRam]

Originally Posted by Fortuninerhater

We could all go on and on about Marc Bulger and everyone weighing in on him, would be right to some degree. Therefore there's no real reason to give an opinion here.

Because of his contract, we are likely stuck with him whether he stinks or not for the forseeable future. So like it or not, we may as well get used to it.

True. Point well taken. It's just that the current Bulger situation saddens many a Rams fan right now. It makes for legit, albeit sad, rapport. MB is such a central figure in our team and...was...part of high hopes for 2008.

That's why we, or, I'll speak for myself, speculate of Marc's past performances and future potential. Is player value, leadership, cap, etc. As you said, we could go on "until the Rams come home" but, again, for now it makes for good(?) fan talk by the watercooler.

We're in such dismal state of affairs.

[laram0]

I think the end of the Miami game was the 1st opportunity Bulger has had all season to run our 2 minute offense? What did we expect?

Oh, wait a minute at New England was the 1st. Same result though!

No...actually at Washington with Avery making a spectacular catch we did succeed.

[RealRam]

BTW, is MB okay? [Concussion] Most NFL players play with some kind of injury and pain, i.e., Jax, Pace, etc.3, but I wonder if Marc is around 85 - 90% ... 75 - 80%.

[bigredman]

Bulger has performed magnificently in spite of the poor play of