Bulger needs to be Da Man

[r8rh8rmike]

Originally Posted by Roy G. Biv

It's a well-known fact that aura wins Super Bowls. Take for example the attitude driven personalties that are Eli Manning, Brad Johnson, & Trent Dilfer. Those Super Bowl winners led their teams to the promised land with presence. Oh yea, and elite defenses to go with them, but yea, it was their aura that hoisted the trophy.

Originally Posted by VegasRam

Elway never went anywhere without Terrell Davis, and Marino never went anywhere period.

But it's all Bulger's fault, and any success he's had, (backed up by his stats), is the result of those around him, and his coaches and/or the sysyem. But the Rams' failure is his and his alone.

It is so patently ridiculous an argument that I am literally at a loss trying to figure out what kind of reasoning could lead anyone to that conclusion.

I'd be interested in seeing if anyone can come up with one of those "presence" QB's who single handedly willed his team to real success despite a horrible defense and a grossly ineffective OL, but I won't hold my breath.

Speaking of "presence" QB's, Kurt Warner, who I will always admire, performed his magic in '99 behind an OL that was among the league leaders in fewest sacks allowed and with the support of the NFL's 4th ranked defense. Oops, once again those stats rear their ugly heads.

[skelley]

The thing I find funny is the defense of Bulger. He has been one some great teams, bad teams and everything between. If stats are dispelled(and seeing Dave Krieg is a higher rated QB then Joe Namath in alot of cases they should be)it comes back to "it's not his fault", "it's the D or o=line, ect.".

Fact is Bulger has not been money in big games. He has not been a 4th qt killer. All the things that make good QB's great Bulger lacks. Unless we feild a better defense, line, reciever corps and coach Bulger has no chance of ever winning. In other words.....If Bulger has a team that can carry him, THEN he should be given credit.

Come on! The guy is an above average QB. He is a big reason why the window to win it all slammed shut. Does he deserve all the blame? No. But he should share in it.

"Speaking of "presence" QB's, Kurt Warner, who I will always admire, performed his magic in '99 behind an OL that was among the league leaders in fewest sacks allowed and with the support of the NFL's 4th ranked defense. Oops, once again those stats rear their ugly heads."

That line was full of reserves who went nowhere after that season. And the defense had to face teams down by 3 or more scores all year long. Facing teams that have to pass and you know it's coming isn't the same as a great defense. That unit was good, nowhere near the 4th ranking though. Stats are not the end all.

[YodaRam]

Originally Posted by Roy G. Biv

You ever notice how the only people who refuse to recognize stats are the ones whose viewpoint is consistently being shredded by those same stats? Don't look now, but those numbers and the game play are one in the same. Games are decided by points (ie. numbers) scored, not Randy, Simon, & Paula sitting on the sidelines determining which team has "got it". Yes. It's a well-known fact that aura wins Super Bowls. Take for example the attitude driven personalties that are Eli Manning, Brad Johnson, & Trent Dilfer. Those Super Bowl winners led their teams to the promised land with presence. Oh yea, and elite defenses to go with them, but yea, it was their aura that hoisted the trophy. (That was all pure sarcasm for those who don't get it.) And that brings the totals to.......armchair QBs complaining about Bulger's leadership = 2. Rams complaining about Bulger's leadership = 0.

Roy G. Biv, i don't refuse to look at stats. I think the biggest STAT we should understand is 3-13. Mean anything to you? Good. You're with me so far. Now think about this number. 16.4 points per game. Ranking us 28th out of 32 teams in the N.F.L. So "don't look now" but the stats that favor Bulger and game play ARE NOT one and the same.
As far as the "American Idol" reference, we are all sideline judges. Yourself included.
As far as the aura thing, well take it as you like. Maybe, i could have worded it better but i stand behind it's premise. When Warner was at his peak with us i could sense that he was in command and knew that he was a leader. He, at that time, was a true FIELD GENERAL. With Bulger ,even when the 'O' line was passable, i never saw that "thing" in him.
The armchair Q.B. thing. "Rams complaining about Bulger's leadership=0" Outside of Jackson, why would any Ram player complain to any one outside of the organization?



RAM ON!

[dgr828]

BOTTOM LINE IS..... Marc Bulger is our guy, he is our best bet to get us were we need to go. I like Marc Bulger as my Quarterback on my favorite team, The Saint Louis Rams! I've been behind Marc Bulger from the Beginning, through the good times (remember when Marc would lead the charge to kill the Seahawks, epescally the time when he threw that pretty pass to Kevin Curtis in front o a shocked Qwestfield crowd).Though Bulgers' game has struggled as of late and staying healthy has become a major concern, I'll still stand by my guy. He's been battle tested with the bruses and scars to prove it. This is Marc Bulgers' time to shine, With time being NOW! I would like to believe that Bulger could take all of his past experiences (good & bad) and put on a display of his game that all Rams fans can appreciate.

The Great Rams Quarterbacks of the past, such as Norm Van Brocklin, Bob Waterfield, Roman Gabriel, Kurt Warner, Pat Haden, Jim Everett, Joe Namath, Vince Faragamo, Bert Jones, John Hadl, James "Shack" Harris, Trent Green, Tony Banks, Chris Miller, Dieter Brock, Jeff Kemp, Zeke Bratkowski, Bill Wade, Albie Reisz, Gus Frerotte....just to name a few....may not have been well received throughout the league, in their careers, but once they got under center and started barking signals for Rams, we all knew that that was the man who would lead us into battle!

The same thing holds true today in 2008.
All in Ramsnation should get behind Marc Bulger, as he carries the torch for all the Legendary Rams QB's before him and as he leads us through the difficult and exciting times that lay ahead.

As for me personally, I would like to respond, by saying with a shout.......

MARC BULGER,
YOU DA MAN!!!

[r8rh8rmike]

Very nicely said dgr828, you're absolutely right about the bottom line. Rep points coming your way.

[skelley]

Originally Posted by dgr828

BOTTOM LINE IS..... Marc Bulger is our guy, he is our best bet to get us were we need to go.



The Great Rams Quarterbacks of the past, such as Norm Van Brocklin, Bob Waterfield, Roman Gabriel, Kurt Warner, Pat Haden, Jim Everett, Joe Namath, Vince Faragamo, Bert Jones, John Hadl, James "Shack" Harris, Trent Green, Tony Banks, Chris Miller, Dieter Brock, Jeff Kemp, Zeke Bratkowski, Bill Wade, Albie Reisz, Gus Frerotte....just to name a few....may not have been well received throughout the league, in their careers, but once they got under center and started barking signals for Rams, we all knew that that was the man who would lead us into battle!

The same thing holds true today in 2008.
All in Ramsnation should get behind Marc Bulger, as he carries the torch for all the Legendary Rams QB's before him and as he leads us through the difficult and exciting times that lay ahead.

As for me personally, I would like to respond, by saying with a shout.......

MARC BULGER,

YOU DA MAN!!!

I agree, Bulger is our guy. I am not however sold on him being the right guy to take us where we need to go.


How in the hell can you include Bert Jones & Tony Banks as "Great Rams QBs"?

[laram0]

Originally Posted by RAM-BO

(Most) Football fans have extremely short memories. Try asking your average football fan who won the superbowl 2 seasons ago. It might take him/her a second.

If it wasn't the ST. LOUIS RAMS and it wasn't. Then who cares?!

[RamsFan16]

Bulger NEEDs to be is correct.

Will he be? Has he yet with Bruce and Holt? No, not really.

We had Holt and Bruce with Curtis, and he still wasn't the man. Now we have Holt, Bennett, Avery, Burton, Looker, Hall, Hagans.

What are the odds he steps up? The odds that Holt has a Pro Bowl season.

[ramsanddodgers]

Originally Posted by dgr828

MARC BULGER, I hope YOU can be DA MAN!!!

Just wanna share your hopes, dgr!

[skelley]

Originally Posted by ramsanddodgers

Just wanna share your hopes, dgr!

I think everyone here, us Bulger doubters included, hope Bulger steps up and becomes "Da Man".

[rampower]

I am still absolutely lost with all this.

trent dilfer has won a superbowl, marino has not.

So many people beleave that 'leading a team to the next level' is the qb's job alone.

I beleave we have much bigger holes than bulger to fill. Is bulger a favre or manning??

No.

Is he a tony banks? Rubley? Miller? chandler? Martin?

subtract warner, maybe everett if you want too, then Marc is all thats left in the last 25 years that would be a good qb. I have seen some garbage in my time as a fan at qb.

Bulger is our man plain and simple, I worry a lot more about our seconadry, our thin lb corps, our new wr's and hope our o line steps up.

If they do, an average pro bowl qb like marc will be all we will need.

The whole team needs to step up and be da men!

[ramsbruce]

Originally Posted by rampower

I am still absolutely lost with all this.

trent dilfer has won a superbowl, marino has not.

So many people believe that 'leading a team to the next level' is the qb's job alone.

I'm with you rp.

Football is the ultimate team sport.

Did Warner win our Super Bowl? Did Isaac Bruce win it by making a great catch and move scoring the winning TD? Did Mike Jones win it by making The Tackle? No, the TEAM won the game, period.

The NFL isn't the NBA where Michael Jordan offensively AND defensively put the team on his back and carried them to a win.

Bulger is part of the team, it doesn't all fall on him. We know he can play, but many things need to go right in order for the team to get to and possibly go far in the playoffs.

[MASSIVE]

Originally Posted by rampower

I am still absolutely lost with all this.

trent dilfer has won a superbowl, marino has not.

So many people beleave that 'leading a team to the next level' is the qb's job alone.

I beleave we have much bigger holes than bulger to fill. Is bulger a favre or manning??

No.

Is he a tony banks? Rubley? Miller? chandler? Martin?

subtract warner, maybe everett if you want too, then Marc is all thats left in the last 25 years that would be a good qb. I have seen some garbage in my time as a fan at qb.

Bulger is our man plain and simple, I worry a lot more about our seconadry, our thin lb corps, our new wr's and hope our o line steps up.

If they do, an average pro bowl qb like marc will be all we will need.

The whole team needs to step up and be da men!

I am with you 100%

[r8rh8rmike]

Originally Posted by ramsbruce

I'm with you rp.

Football is the ultimate team sport.

Did Warner win our Super Bowl? Did Isaac Bruce win it by making a great catch and move scoring the winning TD? Did Mike Jones win it by making The Tackle? No, the TEAM won the game, period.

The NFL isn't the NBA where Michael Jordan offensively AND defensively put the team on his back and carried them to a win.

Bulger is part of the team, it doesn't all fall on him. We know he can play, but many things need to go right in order for the team to get to and possibly go far in the playoffs.

Good points ramsbruce. Why is the team concept so hard for some to understand? I'll ask again, can anyone come up with one of those "presence" QB's who have carried their team to success with the caliber of defense, special teams or OL Bulger has had the last several years??

[ramsanddodgers]

Originally Posted by ramsbruce