Bulger needs to be Da Man

[MauiRam]

Originally Posted by dgr828

I think its safe to say that Mike Martz played a major role with the success Marc Bulger displayed early in his career....not to mention Marshall William Faulk. Now it's as if Bulger is lost without them. I hope and pray Marc can come into his own, dig down deep and bring out what the Saint Louis Rams desperately needs from its QB........LEADERSHIP!!!

I can guarantee you that Marc will not "look lost" if our O-line can protect him. Our line plays strong and healthy, Bulger will be back in the Pro Bowl. If not .. we won't be a whole lot better than last year. Bulger will have more options this year under Saunders, and a healthy aggressive line blocking for Jackson will allow Marc to take his shots at opposing Ds more selectively, rather than trying to shoulder the whole load as in last year. Poor Marc took a frightful beating in 07 .. This year looks to be alot different in that regard ..

[ramsbruce]

Originally Posted by dgr828

I think its safe to say that Mike Martz played a major role with the success Marc Bulger displayed early in his career....not to mention Marshall William Faulk. Now it's as if Bulger is lost without them. I hope and pray Marc can come into his own, dig down deep and bring out what the Saint Louis Rams desperately needs from its QB........LEADERSHIP!!!

Bulger didn't look lost 2 years ago when he actually had a real O-Line in front of him.

Just because Bulger isn't very demonstrative doesn't mean he isn't bringing leadership.

Playing with broken ribs behind a line that ke knew he was going to get killed behind shows leadership. He could have shut it down and sat out until he healed. Instead he played and tried his best to help the team win. That's leadership.

[rammiser]

Originally Posted by dgr828

I think its safe to say that Mike Martz played a major role with the success Marc Bulger displayed early in his career....not to mention Marshall William Faulk. Now it's as if Bulger is lost without them. I hope and pray Marc can come into his own, dig down deep and bring out what the Saint Louis Rams desperately needs from its QB........LEADERSHIP!!!

Hmmmm.........Bulger had his best year under Linehan and had good years under Martz so I can't really give credit to Martz system for Bulgers success. Maybe a good offensive line not letting him get killed played a major factor in Bulgers success. As for his LEADERSHIP, I guess he needs to run out to the huddle head butt all the o-lineman and complain to the refs and yell all the time to be an effective qb. I dont remember seeing Joe Montana head butting everyone in the huddles. Aikman wasnt running around the field yelling and screaming and being a loud vocal leader was he? I just want to know why that is what qualifies a qb to be a leader. It seems the players give Bulger a lot of respect yet the fans dont think he has leadership skills. I just dont see how you people who say he isnt a leader know this. Are you in coffee clutches with the players? Are you having water cooler talks with players telling you that Bulger isnt a good leader? Are they saying that Bulger should have got off his arse and led this team to the playoffs last year. Are they saying he should have never let himself get broken ribs? Just curious how you seem to know he isnt a good leader??? Do you have super hearing while in the stands you can actually hear him in the huddle? Funny havnt heard any of the players calling out Bulger for not being a good leader. Some fans sure seem to know however. Amazing the guy is a top ten stat guy, but because he isnt a good leader "allegedly" the Rams will never get to the promised land. Hey lets give Dilfer a ring he must be a great leader he has a Superbowl ring. The Bulger arguement is not only rediculous but tired and unjust. Can we please lay it to rest????

[ramsanddodgers]

Originally Posted by rammiser

The Bulger arguement is not only rediculous but tired and unjust. Can we please lay it to rest????

So this thread went from a discussion regarding Bulger's "production", or lack thereof depending on how rosy one's glasses are on any given day, to questioning Marc's "leadership?

I don't care if Marc does or does not jump up and down and exhort his team mates. I would care if he were demeaning to his team mates, called them to task in the press, lambasted his coach or the myriad of other things which denotes one as a "typical" pampered jock.

I am thankful that Marc seems to be a person of character and a professional in every outward perception and seems to be the type of person one wants "leading" their team.

Back to the original discussion of the thread I am on record as not being 100% sold on Bulger's ability to carry the TEAM deep into the playoffs but then this is the ultimate TEAM game and while a particular player may rise up and carry his TEAM to a win, over the whole season it will take many plays by many people to enable the TEAM to vie for playoff contention and the ultimate prize.

I am also on record as stating I am quite willing to be proven wrong about Bulger and the sooner the better!

[r8rh8rmike]

The criticisms against Bulger seem to evolve as each is debunked. He was a "system" QB that wouldn't be effective without Martz, yet he was able to adapt and flourish in Scott Linehan's system. He couldn't throw the ball downfield, yet his career yards per pass attempt and 20+ yards completion numbers compare to Manning and Brady. He wasn't tough enough, yet he played almost an entire season after mutiple concussions and broken ribs. He couldn't get it done in the red-zone, yet his QB rating is over 100.0 inside the opponents 20. He had no leadership skills, yet his teammates support him without question.

What's next????

[skelley]

Originally Posted by r8rh8rmike

The criticisms against Bulger seem to evolve as each is debunked. He was a "system" QB that wouldn't be effective without Martz, yet he was able to adapt and flourish in Scott Linehan's system. He couldn't throw the ball downfield, yet his career yards per pass attempt and 20+ yards completion numbers compare to Manning and Brady. He wasn't tough enough, yet he played almost an entire season after mutiple concussions and broken ribs. He couldn't get it done in the red-zone, yet his QB rating is over 100.0 inside the opponents 20. He had no leadership skills, yet his teammates support him without question.

What's next????

Stats don't mean a damned thing without the ability to lead a team to a higher level. So far Bulger has not proven anything other than he can put up good numbers with great weapons & still not take steps forwards.....only backwards.

Until Bulger puts this team on his shoulders and leads it to at least the NFC title game he will always be questioned and doubted. It's both fair and unfair at the same time. He hasn't made his team better so it's fair, BUT........he's also forever going to be compared to the man he replaced, so he's screwed in that sense.


But I'd give anything for Bulger to prove me wrong this year and silence all of doubters.............but being the doubter I am, I don't think it's likely.

[GreatestShow99]

With or without the o-line injuries, I don't have faith in him to lead the team to another SB appearance, let alone another title. Drafting a QB should be one of our main priorities next year.

[r8rh8rmike]

Originally Posted by skelley

Stats don't mean a damned thing without the ability to lead a team to a higher level. So far Bulger has not proven anything other than he can put up good numbers with great weapons & still not take steps forwards.....only backwards.

Until Bulger puts this team on his shoulders and leads it to at least the NFC title game he will always be questioned and doubted. It's both fair and unfair at the same time. He hasn't made his team better so it's fair, BUT........he's also forever going to be compared to the man he replaced, so he's screwed in that sense.


But I'd give anything for Bulger to prove me wrong this year and silence all of doubters.............but being the doubter I am, I don't think it's likely.

You have noticed the performance of the Rams defense the last several years, right? And the performance of the offensive line? Just how do you think Bulger should overcome those major issues? He's doing his part, bottom line. The rest of the team has to do theirs before there's any talk of an NFC Championship appearance. It doesn't matter who's under center, no NFL QB is going to lead his team deep into the playoffs with a defense ranked at the bottom of the heap and a line that ranks at the top of the heap in giving up sacks, that's the reality.

[YodaRam]

Originally Posted by skelley

Stats don't mean a damned thing without the ability to lead a team to a higher level. So far Bulger has not proven anything other than he can put up good numbers with great weapons & still not take steps forwards.....only backwards.

Until Bulger puts this team on his shoulders and leads it to at least the NFC title game he will always be questioned and doubted. It's both fair and unfair at the same time. He hasn't made his team better so it's fair, BUT........he's also forever going to be compared to the man he replaced, so he's screwed in that sense.


But I'd give anything for Bulger to prove me wrong this year and silence all of doubters.............but being the doubter I am, I don't think it's likely.

skelley, i guess you see Bulger as i do. Not a leader. I've been body slammed about Bulgers #'s. Apparently, those (all knowing) numbers super-cede the actual game play on the field. There is something known as an 'attitude' or 'presence' or 'aura'. Bulger has none of those qualities. He is a cardboard cut-out. Defunct of personality. It's kind of hard to back a Q.B. if he won't think or react outside of the box. Unfortunately, he's the best current Q.B. we have. No worries. I'm sure that if there is a problem Steven Jackson will tell us all about it.


RAM ON!

[YodaRam]

Originally Posted by r8rh8rmike

You have noticed the performance of the Rams defense the last several years, right? And the performance of the offensive line? Just how do you think Bulger should overcome those major issues? He's doing his part, bottom line. The rest of the team has to do theirs before there's any talk of an NFC Championship appearance. It doesn't matter who's under center, no NFL QB is going to lead his team deep into the playoffs with a defense ranked at the bottom of the heap and a line that ranks at the top of the heap in giving up sacks, that's the reality.

So now the defense is part of the offensive woes? No offense (no pun intended) but that is a ridiculous. Man, just face it! We were a stand alone pathetic team on offense. Blame the 'O' line. Fine. Blame the 'D'?
I'll tell you what. Why don't you get your head out of the stats. And actually watch a game. .
And "deep into the playoffs". Why would you even address that? Wholly smokes..........


RAM ON!

[Roy G. Biv]

You ever notice how the only people who refuse to recognize stats are the ones whose viewpoint is consistently being shredded by those same stats?

Apparently, those (all knowing) numbers super-cede the actual game play on the field.

Don't look now, but those numbers and the game play are one in the same. Games are decided by points (ie. numbers) scored, not Randy, Simon, & Paula sitting on the sidelines determining which team has "got it".

There is something known as an 'attitude' or 'presence' or 'aura'. Bulger has none of those qualities. He is a cardboard cut-out. Defunct of personality. It's kind of hard to back a Q.B. if he won't think or react outside of the box.

Yes. It's a well-known fact that aura wins Super Bowls. Take for example the attitude driven personalties that are Eli Manning, Brad Johnson, & Trent Dilfer. Those Super Bowl winners led their teams to the promised land with presence. Oh yea, and elite defenses to go with them, but yea, it was their aura that hoisted the trophy. (That was all pure sarcasm for those who don't get it.)

skelley, i guess you see Bulger as i do. Not a leader.

And that brings the totals to.......armchair QBs complaining about Bulger's leadership = 2. Rams complaining about Bulger's leadership = 0.

[itsguud]

I guess we always have Sjax to rely on if Bulger doesn't produce.

S Jax 2007 stats
1/1 with a TD

I like those numbers




but in all seriousness. Bulger is and can be a great QB. I've seen it, we've all seen it. It doesn't matter if it was the system or not, he still did it. The only thing that worries me is if Bulger starts being afraid. A couple of hard hits on the hard can do that to a person. If he doesn't regain his composure then he is doomed. But if he comes back without worrying about the next hit, then we'll be good to go. Also could depend on the new WR's we have and how they work in Al's offense.

[itsguud]

Just a question, but did S. Linehan start this thread to take pressure off himself?

[r8rh8rmike]

Originally Posted by YodaRam

So now the defense is part of the offensive woes? No offense (no pun intended) but that is a ridiculous. Man, just face it! We were a stand alone pathetic team on offense. Blame the 'O' line. Fine. Blame the 'D'?
I'll tell you what. Why don't you get your head out of the stats. And actually watch a game. .
And "deep into the playoffs". Why would you even address that? Wholly smokes..........


RAM ON!

Did you actually read what I was responding to? It was stated that Bulger should pick the team up and lead them to the NFC title game. My point was that no matter what Bulger does, NO team is going to get anything done with one of the worse defenses in the league. Not a chance. Are we clear?

As for stats, I guess they're meaningless, especially if they blow all your arguments out of the water. Personal opinion based on nothing more than gut feel is a much better yard stick.

Originally Posted by skelley

Until Bulger puts this team on his shoulders and leads it to at least the NFC title game he will always be questioned and doubted.

[VegasRam]

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

Eli Manning is not that great a QB. I think he's faced a lot of unjust criticism...

... but a bad defensive play negates a sure sack, a rookie receiver makes the most unbelievable catch I've ever seen, and the highest paid cornerback in the NFL misses a sure interception, Eli lives to fight another day, and finds Burris for a TD.

This silences his critics?

Please.

Elway never went anywhere without Terrell Davis, and Marino never went anywhere period.

But it's all Bulger's fault, and any success he's had, (backed up by his stats), is the result of those around him, and his coaches and/or the sysyem. But the Rams' failure is his and his alone.

It is so patently ridiculous an argument that I am literally at a loss trying to figure out what kind of reasoning could lead anyone to that conclusion.

Other than the fact that they must watch a lot of baseball.