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    Re: Chatter in the DC area

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenfleece View Post
    Well, I wouldn't necessarily want to run into them in a dark alley, but Carter had 4 sacks last year, Griffin had 1, and Daniels has had 5.5 over the course of the last 3 years.
    You can honestly attribute those totals, at least partially, to scheme versus talent. Washington's coordinator Blache does not like to blitz often or bring much added pressure beyond the front four. The preference is to play disciplined gap control. "Bend but don't break" I guess is the popular way to describe it. That's why the team was near the bottom of the League in sacks, but in the top 8 in allowed yards per game, allowed yards per play, and points per game. People couldn't move against us, even though they had all day to try.

    Unfortunately with our anemic offense, it also translated to many frustrating, close, "by one score" games.


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    Re: Chatter in the DC area

    Their not that good, the rams are a laughing stock as of now in the media.
    What better way to quiet this lot with a nice win. The problem is the skins
    are 0-1, and also angry after last seasons loss to the Rams.
    Another huge test, the schedule makers have been tough on the rams.

    GO RAMS.
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    Re: Chatter in the DC area

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenfleece View Post
    Offensive Line - I don't know how the Redskins can see much of an advantage here. Campbell got sacked just as much as Bulger last year (both went down 38 times). We lost Orlando Pace, and they lost Jon Jansen--both of whom were in the twilight of their careers. We added a rookie top 10 pick to make up for the loss; they promoted a 3rd year undrafted free agent. Heyer is their right tackle, and when he is in, they prefer to run left because he's not much of a run blocker. Rabach is 33 and probably a little bit on the decline. Samuels is 32 and nursing a bad knee.
    I think our offensive line is certainly better on paper, but they didn't play up to their billing against Seattle. The Rams achieved little push in the running game and the pass protection was mediocre. I don't see them suddenly flipping the switch against Washington either, but at some point this season, they're going to have to if we expect to win any games.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenfleece View Post
    Defensive Line - I posted in another thread about how poor the Redskins' pass rush has been. They ranked 28th in the league in sacks to our 16th in 2008. They're probably better against the run than we are, but Haynesworth is really the only one on the line that might scare people at this point.
    But even if that's the case, isn't that still one more player than the Rams have that scares people? We have virtually nothing at DT, Little is rather inconsistent, and Long is still developing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenfleece View Post
    Linebackers - McIntosh is decent but not anything special. Many of us still love London Fletcher, even a decade after he left, but he's 34 years old. Orakpo doesn't have much experience at linebacker.
    Fletcher > Laurinaitis, at the moment anyways. Maybe Son of Animal ends up having a better career in the long run, but it's hard to value a rookie as being better than Fletcher, even at London's age. I'll take Witherspoon over McIntosh, but Orakpo is certainly more talented than the Rams' third LB, be it Grant or Vobora. So I'd give this unit to Washington as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmk321 View Post
    I can't believe they think the horrible Jason Cambel is better than Bulger. Cambel has been nothing but awful since he's been in the NFL. Redskins fans would agree.
    I don't think it's so unbelievable. Statistically, Campbell actually had a fairly decent season last year - 62% completion percentage, 3200+ yards, 13 TDs to 6 INTs. QB rating 84.3. But you're right in that the Redskins can't be too happy with him themselves, since they were constantly rumored to be flirting with any QB who became available and were even mentioned as possible trade partners during the draft to land Mark Sanchez.

    For the Rams, Bulger has not played well the last two years, but he's been on pretty bad teams as well. Still, he's largely living off of what people believe he can do under better circumstances than what he has done in poor circumstances. The days of Bulger being productive despite being sacked 40 times are over, and if Bulger continues to get sacked three times a game as he did in Seattle, he'll finish the year with nearly 50 sacks against him... if he finishes the year at all.

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    Re: Chatter in the DC area

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    This time, tell Richie to not make any personal fouls.

    Brown better be able to handle Haynesworth this weekend, or else he's going to get eaten.
    I will give Richie one foul. If he can guarantee a concussion, I want him to slug Haynesworth in the face. That's a win-win for the Rams: Haynesworth's out of the game, as is Incognito. Shoot he gets suspended, which is even better.

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    Re: Chatter in the DC area

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    But even if that's the case, isn't that still one more player than the Rams have that scares people? We have virtually nothing at DT, Little is rather inconsistent, and Long is still developing.
    True, but we still had more of a pass rush than they did last season. Maybe Haynesworth changes all of that, but the Redskins haven't had a lot of luck historically when they've thrown money at their problems.


    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    Fletcher > Laurinaitis, at the moment anyways. Maybe Son of Animal ends up having a better career in the long run, but it's hard to value a rookie as being better than Fletcher, even at London's age. I'll take Witherspoon over McIntosh, but Orakpo is certainly more talented than the Rams' third LB, be it Grant or Vobora. So I'd give this unit to Washington as well.
    I wasn't really meaning to imply that we were better at linebacker than they are, just that there's not so much reason to think that they would dominate on both sides of the ball. Generally, I look at the Redskins' front seven and offensive line, and I see a lot of players who are either past their prime or who are not there yet.

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    Re: Chatter in the DC area

    Quote Originally Posted by tomahawk247 View Post
    I'd give us the secondary tbh, the Skins don't have a player like Atogwe in their secondary, and the rest of the Rams secondary is pretty decent
    Whoa, whoa...what!? Atogwe is better than Landry? Say what!?

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    Re: Chatter in the DC area

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenfleece View Post
    What I've been picking up from the Express, the Post, etc. is that Zorn can't afford to lose to the Rams two years in a row after just having lost the season opener to the Giants for the second year in a row. There was an interesting point made about how the Lions and the Rams only played close games when they had at least a 2 turnover advantage in 2008. The big question seems to be whether Zorn is going to open up the playbook and take deep shots to exploit a secondary that is perceived to be weak or to play it safe with what many consider an uninspired attack.


    And here are just a few observations on talent:

    Offensive Line - I don't know how the Redskins can see much of an advantage here. Campbell got sacked just as much as Bulger last year (both went down 38 times). We lost Orlando Pace, and they lost Jon Jansen--both of whom were in the twilight of their careers. We added a rookie top 10 pick to make up for the loss; they promoted a 3rd year undrafted free agent. Heyer is their right tackle, and when he is in, they prefer to run left because he's not much of a run blocker. Rabach is 33 and probably a little bit on the decline. Samuels is 32 and nursing a bad knee.

    Defensive Line - I posted in another thread about how poor the Redskins' pass rush has been. They ranked 28th in the league in sacks to our 16th in 2008. They're probably better against the run than we are, but Haynesworth is really the only one on the line that might scare people at this point.

    Linebackers - McIntosh is decent but not anything special. Many of us still love London Fletcher, even a decade after he left, but he's 34 years old. Orakpo doesn't have much experience at linebacker.
    Our offensive line is playing MUCH better pass protection this year vs. last.

    We were poor in terms of getting pressure. Enter Haynesworth and Daniels has come back and is squatting over 700lbs+. The line looks completely revamped with Orakpo getting reps and Chris Wilson who is a sack specialist. This is not the same DL. Our problem was interior pressure. We have that now.

    Our LB corp is weak, but don't write off Fletcher just b/c of his age. He is still making plays and no one, I mean no one has ever said anything about his age catching up with him. You see what he did to Jacobs last week?

    Our defense overall is very solid. We did finish 4th overall last year.

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    Re: Chatter in the DC area

    Quote Originally Posted by jmk321 View Post
    Still leading the NFL in tackle at 34.

    I can't believe they think the horrible Jason Cambel is better than Bulger. Cambel has been nothing but awful since he's been in the NFL. Redskins fans would agree.

    I think this game will be close because the Skins have a terrible head coach and QB and an offensive scheme that doesn't fit with their personel at all. I still have no idea what the Rams offense is gonna look like in a real game where they don't need to gain 15 yards every time to get a 1st down so it should be interesting to see that matchup.
    JC is not horrible. He has been handcuffed by two timid offenses. Aside from a bonehead pick, which hasn't been his problem, and a fumble, he did will last week. 70% completion percentage. The offense as a whole looks much improved from last year, I wouldn't sleep on them. You certainly aren't giving them enough credit. After all, we did put 17 points on the board against the 3rd ranked defense from last year and one of the most talented DLs and the Rams couldn't put a single point against the 'Hawks at home with an average defense at best.

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    Re: Chatter in the DC area

    Quote Originally Posted by McKnight View Post
    Ummmm yeah.. pretty much.
    Oh...wow. Must be news to the rest of the league. Is someone wearing their homer glasses?

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    Re: Chatter in the DC area

    Quote Originally Posted by McKnight View Post
    if O.J played for the patriots or the Cowboys he would be considered the best in the game. ask anyone on here.
    Ask anyone on the Rams message board, if their own player would be considered the best on any other team? I'm guessing all of you guys would say yes. I'm no genius, but I am willing to be there would be some bias...would you concede to that?

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    Re: Chatter in the DC area

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    I think our offensive line is certainly better on paper, but they didn't play up to their billing against Seattle. The Rams achieved little push in the running game and the pass protection was mediocre. I don't see them suddenly flipping the switch against Washington either, but at some point this season, they're going to have to if we expect to win any games...
    ...
    Bravo to all your comments. By far the most unbiased comments made here.

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    Re: Chatter in the DC area

    Quote Originally Posted by IBleedBnG83 View Post
    Bravo to all your comments. By far the most unbiased comments made here.
    Thank you!

    Now that you've said that though, let me perhaps ruin it by saying...

    Quote Originally Posted by IBleedBnG83 View Post
    Whoa, whoa...what!? Atogwe is better than Landry? Say what!?
    I don't think it's that ridiculous, really. Compare their '07 and '08 seasons, in which both players started a full 16-game schedule. Atogwe has 13 interceptions over the last two years as well as six forced fumbles. That's 19 turnovers he created in two years. Landry has two picks and 2 forced fumbles during that span. Their tackle numbers and number of defended passes are exactly the same over the last two years, interestingly enough.

    I like Landry. I like him a lot. But Atogwe has been much more of an impact player over the last two years; he's already nabbed a pick in the first game of this season, too. I've been a person who, in the past, has not been easy to convince in discussions about Atogwe as a top safety in this league. But his numbers speak to his talent and ability to make plays.

    So in that respect, the Redskins don't have a player like OJ Atogwe in their secondary, because they don't have a defensive back who has averaged 9.5 turnovers a year for the past two years.

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    Re: Chatter in the DC area

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    Thank you!

    Now that you've said that though, let me perhaps ruin it by saying...



    I don't think it's that ridiculous, really. Compare their '07 and '08 seasons, in which both players started a full 16-game schedule. Atogwe has 13 interceptions over the last two years as well as six forced fumbles. That's 19 turnovers he created in two years. Landry has two picks and 2 forced fumbles during that span. Their tackle numbers and number of defended passes are exactly the same over the last two years, interestingly enough.

    I like Landry. I like him a lot. But Atogwe has been much more of an impact player over the last two years; he's already nabbed a pick in the first game of this season, too. I've been a person who, in the past, has not been easy to convince in discussions about Atogwe as a top safety in this league. But his numbers speak to his talent and ability to make plays.

    So in that respect, the Redskins don't have a player like OJ Atogwe in their secondary, because they don't have a defensive back who has averaged 9.5 turnovers a year for the past two years.
    Fair enough. However, the Rams defense is on the field a lot more. That affords him the opportunity.

    The Redskins D has also been taught to hit hard first, go after the ball second introduced by Gregg Williams carried over by Blache. There are several clips from the 'Boys and Giants on the sidelines say "try and throw away from 30 (landry)" Other teams are game planning around him.

    I guess its fair to say Atogwe is more proven. But I think Landry has more big play potential and has come up BIG on several occasions for us.

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    Re: Chatter in the DC area

    From the article you shared on page one.
    “We don’t score quick. When we score. It’s a grind. We grind you, grind you, grind you,” he says. He’d like to see “some 60-yard plays.” He can probably tell you the Redskins managed only 200 yards in falling to the Rams last year.

    This guy obviously got the yards mixed up. The Redskins had 368 net yards to the Rams 200. If I remember correctly the Skins were driving on the rams all day. The only reason it was even so close till the end of the game were just stupid turnovers. The Pete Kendal caught a tipped ball(guard) tried to run fumbled it and the rams returned it for a td.

    The rams didn't score an offensive touchdown. Was 4 fieldgoals, 2 off of turnovers and a defensive touchdown. One field goal early in a drive and one field goal at the end of the game from a miracle play to donnie avery. I just wanted to point out that the coverage wasn't terrible and the guy who was covering him was Leigh Torrence. The skins #4 CB at the time who was traded to the saints a few weeks later.

    Someone said about how Stephon Hayer is our starting right tackle. He is and there is a reason, he out played Jansen in both practice and on the field.

    As for London Fletcher, I dont care how old he is. The man is a beast. He almost ALONE against the giants shut down brandon jacobs. Brandon jacobs had 16 carries for 46 yards. Id say at least 11 of those tackles were from Fletcher and every time fletcher hit him you saw jacobs go backwards. Fletcher is the captain of our defense and we love him.

    YouTube - Brandon Jacobs gets smacked by London Fletcher

    I haven't seen atogwe play so I wont comment on if he is better then Landry. I will talk about Landry. The man has amazing talent but he goes for the big hit too often and can sometimes miss tackles. Also our defense is very physical but we dont gamble alot. Our corners play 10 yards off the Wrs and our safety landry plays a minimum of 20 yards back from the line of scrimmage. Playing the halo position to make sure no one gets behind him he isnt up in the mix as often as we like which really leads to very few opportunities to make plays. He also has a tendency to go Incognito and draw personal fouls.

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    Re: Chatter in the DC area

    Quote Originally Posted by IBleedBnG83 View Post
    Whoa, whoa...what!? Atogwe is better than Landry? Say what!?
    yea OJ is better fool.

    Landry - 65 tackles 11 passes deflected 2 Int.

    OJ - 85 tackles 5 passes deflected 5 interceptions.

    the stats don't lie man. Back up your stuff before you reck yourself on threads.

    Just putting what Nick said already into stats.
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