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    Defense....

    Guys for the second week in a row, our defense gives up a lead in the 4th quarter, and in addition to that our Defensive line does SQUAT yet again (a sack by a backup D-linemen is nothing to write home about). We are still unable to generate a pass rush, a push up the middle, and an ability to clog the gaps (A, B,) in the running game.

    Now I know that everyone on the board says that we need to address the O-line in this years draft especially OT and C, but guys I think we are downplaying the horrible play of our D-line. I know we are 2-3 years away from being a contender (and that's wishful thinking if our front office makes the right moves), but if we don't fix our Defensive issues then we are going to be in for more of the same next year.

    *Any ideas on ways to fix the line. Any tempting free agents, or even moves such as the 3-4 idea (which I don't think is a good option due to our current personel.
    Either way thank God this horrible season is over, now come on front office make me smile by giving me a great draft & SMART free agent moves.


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    Re: Defense....

    Defensive line could be addressed, yes. Chris Long should continue to improve as he gains experience in the NFL, so that's one DE position we don't need to worry about. However, we need to find someone who is going to replace Little as the pass rush specialist on the other side. On the interior, Clifton Ryan is a nice player but I'm not sure he's proved he's a full time guy on the nose. A big stout anchor inside would be helpful, and would also allow Carriker to move to UT full time. I'd like to see what Adam can do there after an offseason to get healthy and work out, which he didn't have this year. Depth will be critical, and I think an improvement at MLB with Witherspoon outside could have an effect as well.

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    Re: Defense....

    Much like defense in baseball, its all about "the middle."

    The Rams need to upgrade at NT, MLB (or ILBs if they move to 3-4) and SS.

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    Re: Defense....

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    Defensive line could be addressed, yes. Chris Long should continue to improve as he gains experience in the NFL, so that's one DE position we don't need to worry about. However, we need to find someone who is going to replace Little as the pass rush specialist on the other side. On the interior, Clifton Ryan is a nice player but I'm not sure he's proved he's a full time guy on the nose. A big stout anchor inside would be helpful, and would also allow Carriker to move to UT full time. I'd like to see what Adam can do there after an offseason to get healthy and work out, which he didn't have this year. Depth will be critical, and I think an improvement at MLB with Witherspoon outside could have an effect as well.
    Well Wroten comes back next year, and he has showed glimpses of being the answer at NT, but when it comes to substance abuse you can never be sure. With Little getting a year older, and Glover nearing retirement if we don't move fast next year could actually be worse.

    I say we need to address both DT and DE in the draft along with MLB (although Mr. Irrevelent hasn't looked bad in limited duty), SS and FB.

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    Re: Defense....

    Quote Originally Posted by ManofGod View Post
    Guys for the second week in a row, our defense gives up a lead in the 4th quarter, and in addition to that our Defensive line does SQUAT yet again (a sack by a backup D-linemen is nothing to write home about). We are still unable to generate a pass rush, a push up the middle, and an ability to clog the gaps (A, B,) in the running game.

    Now I know that everyone on the board says that we need to address the O-line in this years draft especially OT and C, but guys I think we are downplaying the horrible play of our D-line. I know we are 2-3 years away from being a contender (and that's wishful thinking if our front office makes the right moves), but if we don't fix our Defensive issues then we are going to be in for more of the same next year.

    *Any ideas on ways to fix the line. Any tempting free agents, or even moves such as the 3-4 idea (which I don't think is a good option due to our current personel.
    Either way thank God this horrible season is over, now come on front office make me smile by giving me a great draft & SMART free agent moves.
    That backup D-lineman (James Hall) has been busting his tail all season, and has had a good one. That is 6.5 sacks from him - these are exactly the kind of role players you need to build a solid defense. Not everybody is a superstar, but if we can get production like this from spot time guys, they will definitely be building blocks for a strong foundation ...

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    Re: Defense....

    Quote Originally Posted by RamsInfiniti View Post
    That backup D-lineman (James Hall) has been busting his tail all season, and has had a good one. That is 6.5 sacks from him - these are exactly the kind of role players you need to build a solid defense. Not everybody is a superstar, but if we can get production like this from spot time guys, they will definitely be building blocks for a strong foundation ...
    Yeah, but he is off and on like a light switch, and that is a problem (for proof please view when he was a start for the Rams in previous seasons). We need consistent play, this has been one of the knocks on Hall in that he is too inconsistent.

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    Re: Defense....

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    The Average Per Carry by the Falcons in this game is truly embarrassing.

    Unheard of numbers for the NFL.

    It's obviously time to make changes - these guys aren't getting it done, not even close.

    I think some of these guys are not NFL material - and some are playing out of position.

    I wouldn't look for a lot from Wroten - Wroten is an Under tackle, NOT Nose Tackle - and he still has horrible stats.



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    Re: Defense....

    Quote Originally Posted by ManofGod View Post
    Yeah, but he is off and on like a light switch, and that is a problem (for proof please view when he was a start for the Rams in previous seasons). We need consistent play, this has been one of the knocks on Hall in that he is too inconsistent.
    He is a BACKUP - who has made 44 tackles and 6.5 sacks. Do you expect to get a sack from a BACKUP every game?

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    Re: Defense....

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Soprano View Post
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    The Average Per Carry by the Falcons in this game is truly embarrassing.

    Unheard of numbers for the NFL.

    It's obviously time to make changes - these guys aren't getting it done, not even close.

    I think some of these guys are not NFL material - and some are playing out of position.

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    Awesome point, and especially since Defense wins championships (see the 2007 N.Y. Giants).

    Fellas I think that we need to go defensive yet again in this years draft rather than go for OT (as you can find an OT in other places).

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    Re: Defense....

    Quote Originally Posted by RamsInfiniti View Post
    He is a BACKUP - who has made 44 tackles and 6.5 sacks. Do you expect to get a sack from a BACKUP every game?
    No Infiniti he was a starter, and was brought in to heal our DE woes. His negative play was the reason why Detroit let him go to begin with. Sure we can keep him as a back-up, but we need a starter which plays both the run & the pass, and he's shown that he can't be that.

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    Re: Defense....

    I could not disagree more.

    The Rams need to go OT first, and place a HUGE emphasis on improving the O line as a unit.

    Fans forget sometimes just how much an O line can help a defense. If the O line plays well, it results in ball control and scoring. Those are a defense's two best friends (forming a "three amigos" with their other best friend, turnover ratio).

    Great OTs are typically taken in the first two rounds of the draft. Big, run stuffing DTs and MLBs who can tackle are often obtained in the middle of the draft.

    All of these things need to be addressed, but O line has to be #1 on the list.

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    Re: Defense....

    Part of the defense's problem was the players- guys getting burned, bad tackling, and players out of position, but a lot had to do with the scheme. For all the talk about Haslett's "Exotic Schemes", it looked like very few teams had problems disecting it week after week since he took over 3 years ago. We need a new defensive philosophy- one that attacks and not one that plays back on it's heels and reacts. Haslett and Venturi need to be shown the door- and quick.

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    Re: Defense....

    Quote Originally Posted by ManofGod View Post
    No Infiniti he was a starter, and was brought in to heal our DE woes. His negative play was the reason why Detroit let him go to begin with. Sure we can keep him as a back-up, but we need a starter which plays both the run & the pass, and he's shown that he can't be that.
    Why are you talking about 2007? This is 2008. Hall typically only plays run downs for us anymore. SITUATIONAL PLAYER, do you understand this concept? Every team has them. Even in his heyday, Leonard Little was never effective against the run, yet on of the elite DE's in the game ...

    And BTW, I didn't know you worked for the Lions. Were you part of the decision making team that decided to get rid of Hall? He was injured in 2006, and they decided not to resign him. His last four years for the Lions, he racked up 27 sacks in 53 games ...

    No one ever expected Hall to come in here and be a world beater. He was supposed to be a servicable DE ...

    And tell me, how many teams in the league have TWO elite DE's that can stand up against the run and rush the passer?

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    Re: Defense....

    Quote Originally Posted by moloch41 View Post
    Part of the defense's problem was the players- guys getting burned, bad tackling, and players out of position, but a lot had to do with the scheme. For all the talk about Haslett's "Exotic Schemes", it looked like very few teams had problems disecting it week after week since he took over 3 years ago. We need a new defensive philosophy- one that attacks and not one that plays back on it's heels and reacts. Haslett and Venturi need to be shown the door- and quick.

    We need a New scheme too - very true.

    And some new players.

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    Re: Defense....

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    I could not disagree more.

    The Rams need to go OT first, and place a HUGE emphasis on improving the O line as a unit.

    Fans forget sometimes just how much an O line can help a defense. If the O line plays well, it results in ball control and scoring. Those are a defense's two best friends (forming a "three amigos" with their other best friend, turnover ratio).

    Great OTs are typically taken in the first two rounds of the draft. Big, run stuffing DTs and MLBs who can tackle are often obtained in the middle of the draft.

    All of these things need to be addressed, but O line has to be #1 on the list.
    I couldn't agree with you more AV. I would give you rep, but I bestow love upon you so much, automation says I am being too exclusive in my admiration!


    Teams are much like houses. The structure is only as good as its foundation, and the offensive line is the foundation of any team. The better the offensive line, the better not only does the offense play, but the defense as well. Teams with good to great offensive lines can sustain drives, control the clock, make your team three demensional (passing, rushing, and play action), and give your defense lots of time to rest, and if you score often enough, the defense can pin its ears back and really go after the other team.

    Look at what Jackson was able to do today behind a poor offensive line. Imagine him behind a good one. Imagine Bulger having the luxury of having all day to find his receivers (which would happen with a line that can pass block and the defense back on its heals fearing the run).

    We take the best lineman in the draft with our first pick. Hopefully a tackle to replace Pace (I'm facinated with the prospects of moving Pace into the guard position for the end of his career). Then we go after a couple of good free agent linemen. We could be contending again next year.
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