P.S- You want to talk about making things seem factual when your sittin there tellin me Ike would have gone wherever Martz would have gone? Hmmm, did he have you over for a BB-Q or somethin? (I'm not tryin to be an a-hole just to let you know)
So you think the Rams did enough to keep him and I don't. You think we will be ok at WR, I think we are thin at WR. Agree to disagree.
Yep I said there is a difference between opinion and fact. My opinion before Bruce left was that I thought he would follow Martz if he wasn't a Ram and I said that here weeks before we cut him. That's what I thought would happen, so did many of us. It turned out that it is now a fact, he did follow Martz.
Rivalry is not a reason to not sign with a team? I'm not even going to answer that.Nobody said we weren't thin at WR. Look, TekeRam brought up some great points in another thread that basically proves what I've been tryin to say, I don't know what your idea is of the Rams doing enough to keep him. We offered him a very decent contract. Pride got in his way,that's not the Ram's fault. I dont care what anyone says. I'm not going to bash your every post just because it's you. I'm just trying to be logical about this particular "discussion".
It doesn't prove anything. It so happens that you and Teke agree on your opinions. r8rh8rmike and I agree about Bruce. There is no right and wrong. There are valid reasons on both sides. Why is that so hard to understand.
You think the Rams offered him enough, again that's your opinion. I don't think they did. You think pride got in his way, you don't know the real reason. None of us know, and unless Ike comes out and says it and the Rams confirm it or vice versa we will never know.
If you want to be logical see that there are valid points to both sides.
rams4life88, I understand what you are trying to say. I understand what RamsBruce is trying to say too. Whether or not we should have let Bruce go is certainly debatable. But do you really have to say things like "if Bruce was really a loyal Ram" or "pride got in his way" or other derogatory things like that? Isaac Bruce was an extremely productive and extremely classy receiver with this team for a long time. If you think it was his time to go, fine. But don't drag the guy through the mud. He has done more than enough for this team. For whatever reason, he is gone and on the niners. Nobody here likes that, but don't sit here and crucify the guy and make him look like a bad guy. He moved on and so should we. Now that he is on the niners, you don't see him slamming us, do you? Extend him the same courtesy.
Of course I'm not happy he's a whiner. Do I hold it against him, no. He did what he had to do, just like the Rams did.
Sure he could have stayed, I never said he couldn't. The Rams could have also paid him the last year on his contract. Again there are valid points to both sides.
I haven't avoided any of your questions. It's quite clear that I think the Rams should have paid him the last year of his contract. I know what the cap situation is. The Rams owed him 5 mil, they offered him 3 mil, so we are looking at a 2 mil difference. The Rams could have asked some big contract guys like Bulger, Holt, Pace if they would restructure to make up the 2 mil to keep Bruce. Nobody knows if the Rams asked anyone or not, but that was an option. I mean it's not like the Rams never asked Bruce to restructure right?
We have Holt with a chronic knee problem, Bennett who can't seem to stay healthy, and not much else. So again I think the Rams should have found a way to pay Bruce because we are thin at WR.
This is going in circles. The bottom line is you think the Rams made a good decision and you think Bruce should have taken another pay cut. That's your opinion. There are some valid points for that side of it. I think the Rams made a bad decision, they should have paid Bruce what they owed him. That's my opinion. There are also valid points for this side of it. So it's simple, there is no right and wrong, we agree to disagree.
Now you don't even have the information right about what the Rams offered Bruce. They didn't offer Bruce a three year deal for 9 mil. They offered him a 1 year deal for 3 mil. Know the facts before you post.
If Bruce turned down a 3 year 9 mil deal to go to the whiners we wouldn't even be having this discussion because I would have said good bye to Bruce that day.
Then you take a post by cfh128 who said "stop dragging Bruce through the mud" and try and pin it on me when I never said anything like that. I do agree with cfh128, but I never said anything to you. So you go address cfh128 about undermining Bruce etc. Reading is fundamental.
I never said anything about whether you hold it against him or not for signing with the whiners. I said I don't hold it against him. I also never said I had anything against Bennett, so I haven't condemned him. There you go assuming again. Go back and re-read it.
So here is my advice. Read and then re-read posts and let them sink in. Learn the difference between an opinion and a fact. Know the facts before you post, and think about what you are going to say before you hit Submit Reply.
Since you said you won't discuss this any longer I won't be expecting a reply.
LoL. Dude, you are a joke. It all boils down to whether it was a good move for the franchise, to part ways with Bruce. Nothing you say can convince me otherwise. As for assuming things. First off, you called me out in the first place and basically said this entire time that I presented my argument as factual. Hmmm, that sounds like assuming to me. My advice to YOU is,Get a life and stop being so hypocritical. Don't complain because you "started" this little "debate" in the first place. I'm just trying to be the bigger man and end this because it's getting ridiculous.
Again you're lost because the whole discussion was about whether it was a good move or not. There are valid points for both. I don't care if I convince you, never did. I was simply saying there are valid points on both sides. You are so lost you can't even see both sides, even though cfh128 said it, r8rh8rmike said it, plus plenty of other people weeks ago when it first happened said it, and I've said it over and over to you.
Who's complaining? I'm laughing because after all of your posts about what a great offer it was it turns out that you didn't know the facts. How funny is that. You aren't being the bigger man, you have insulted me all the way through this thread and only because at first I thought I may have been a little harsh because you don't know the difference between an opinion and a fact did I let it go, I tried to say agree to disagree, I tried to help you with the difference between opinion and fact, and I tried to show you that there are two valid sides, but you don't care you only want one side to be right, and that's your side. Good luck with that. Now it turns out that after all of your yapping about what a great offer it was to Bruce and it was Bruce's fault not the Rams blah blah blah you didn't even know what they offered him, so know the facts before you post. I thought at the very least you knew what the Rams offered him. I guess I gave you too much credit.
Didn't you say you were done talking about this? After not even knowing what the Rams offered him I would be. :)
Honestly, it's looking like it's a good move for both sides. Bruce is getting up there in NFL age, why learn a new system (or a hybrid) with only about two years left? Why not go to the source of the system you were comfortable playing in for the remaining few years in the NFL, makes some cash to stock away, and allow the team you left to go in a youthful direction?
C'mon, let's throw loyalty out the window. There's just as much "non-loyalty" on the front office side as there is on the players side. This is a business. It's a sport in some context, but it's a business first and foremost.