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    The DE's

    Seems every one is worried about L.Little and what will happen to him come Court time. But what about the D-Tackles. This Defense ranked pretty bad and I'm wondering if the middle might be the bigger problem. The middle seemed so bad that opposing offenses could double team our DE's all day. So I ask.....who the hell is gonna step up in the middle and draw the Doulbe team so the fast ones can make the plays? Which in turn helps the LB'S and the DB'S!


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    Re: The DE's

    Actually, DT is the one area where the Rams really seemed to make progress last year. Until the Atlanta game, when the wheels came off, the running defense improved substantially after Kennedy was inserted into the starting lineup. I like the pairing of Kennedy and Pickett as starters. I think its more important to get some better LBs behind them.

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    I think the DT's are pretty good at this point, IF and its a big IF, kennedy can stay healthy. He really showed potential in the run game. I think lewis is suspect and I like pickett when healthy. I think our play at middle linebacker all year was horrible, just awful. I am not prepared to give up on robert thomas, but he is showing no sign of being able to stay healthy with any kind of consistency and he just was not able to make the plays last year. The DT's often take up the blockers, but the linebackers, especially the guy in the middle, often are supposed to make the tackles.

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    Re: The DE's

    Kennedy apparently played through a lot of pain at the end of the season as his foot continued to heal. That's promising.

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    Re: The DE's

    Let's take a look at our much-maligned 3 1st round DTs:

    1. Damione Lewis - Lovie brought him in to be an interior speed rusher. He was billed as a "poor man's Warren Sapp". Truth is, D-Lew is a 3-4 DE. He's just not strong as an interior pass rusher. He has his moments, but he's not a long-term solution inside a 4-3 line.

    2. Ryan Pickett - We reached for him. Most draft coverage had him as the 8th, 9th, or 10th best DT, and we took him in the 1st round...that was our bad. If you think of him as a 3rd rounder like he should have been, he's played pretty well. It's not his fault he was picked up as a 1st round NT.

    3. Jimmy Kennedy - The most talented of the whole bunch. However, he got some bad advice from a former teammate (I think LaVar Arrington) about how easy the transition was from NCAA to NFL. He entered his rookie season with the wrong mindset and it cost him an entire year. Then in his 2nd season he has the foot injury in training camp. It could have been another season lost, but he fought through the pain and made noticable gains on the line.

    These guys take a beating around here, some warranted, but some not. For D-Lew it's not the right system, for Pickett expectations were too high, for Kennedy there hasn't been enough time. I don't see us going 3-4 (even though I want to) so D-Lew is probably gone after his contract. However, Pickett and Kennedy may be around for a while and they will succeed. Barring injury, those two will show significant improvement for the inside of our D-line.
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    OK, This is kinda what I mean, Lewis ain't that good! Pickett a flash here and there and Kennedy Can't seem to stay out of sick bay! I don't believe there was very many sacks this year. In fact I do believe it was pretty low. And that is why the DE's were double teamed. We need a pass rush and I don't remember any great run defense at all. I think several backs had 100+ games on that Rush D.We need some FAT in the middle with some good feet. The ones we have don't really seem to be panning out!!!IMO :upset:

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    did anyone ever think that it was the end's fault for our poor run d... considering we started a career backup (fisher), a pass rushing specialist (little), and a guy who had been out of football for a year (hargrove)? Jackson was the only run stuffer at end on our team.

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    Maybe we need a whole new line!I just felt the DT's Were to slow so the out side guys got 2-teamed :disappoin

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    Re: The DE's

    I'm fine with a line of Little - Pickett - Kennedy - Hargrove next year. Where we need to improve mose is at linebacker. It seemed like any time a runner got past the D-Line this year, the backers were nowhere to be found.

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    My Point exactly.....Seemed like the runners got past the line all the time!

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    Name a team in the NFL that had worse linebackers than we did. Just name one team. That is really saying something considering that pisa is above average and improving and plays with a real passion.

    I defy you guys to name me one starting nfl middle linebacker who was less productive than what we had at the position last year and i think tommy polley, notwithstanding the occasional great play, is woefully inconsistent, constantly out of position and just not very good. I wish him well in wherever he goes, he had a great game against green bay in the 2001 playoffs, but he just has not improved or played well enough to pay him as a free agent. Chillar is still a kid, who knows what we have there.

    Bring back isaih robertson and hacksaw!!!!!!!!

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    I gotta agree with Theodus on this one. Woulda, coulda, and shoulda, just haven't made good DLs. Coached by What-if hasn't made them any more than mediocre.

    Hell, even I would show signs of improvement if I played on that DL! (He came in thin but he' s added weight! His LBs ain't that good. That blown out back is healing and he'll do fine if he can stay healthy).

    As hopeful as we all are for a miracle, the DTs performance is subpar or perhaps average.

    And who of you would put the mortgage on those 3?

    Those 3 get Raspberries from me.

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    Re: The DE's

    We can dog on the d-line if we want, but the truth is that the d-line is the only unit on the entire team that showed improvement last year. Not the linebackers, not the secondary, not the o-line....only the d-line got any better.
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    From worst to bad, or mediocre to below average doesn't give me a warm fuzzy.

    How many recent #1s are playing as LBs and DB? I expect the #1 to pull their weight. So far they're pulling a ballarina's weight.

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    Re: The DE's

    Kennedy will be a stopper in 2005. He had his injury this year, nothing anyone can do about that. Lewis should have played better than he has. He has been a disappointment, but I'm betting any of the 3-4 defenses out there would love to have him as a DE. And as for Pickett...he is not a 1st round DT. He was chosen in the 1st round, but that was because the Rams reached for him. He should have gone in the late 2nd or early 3rd. It's not his fault, the Rams jumped too quick on him. We can't expect him to play like a 1st rounder when he shouldn't have gone there anyway. Now with that said, Pickett has actually played pretty well. He's a NT, and that is not a position that is going to get a lot of recognition. It's not supposed to. He takes up space and stalls blockers so LBs (here's the shortcoming) can get to and through the line to penetrate from the inside or to cut off escape lanes when pressuring from the outside. Pickett has done exactly that. He can't be a LB, too. As has already been mentioned, the problem is not with the DTs as much as it is the LBs.
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