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Guys,
We are better off losing that game. Like I posted last week, our draft position improves every week.
Marmie will gone and so will some dead wood from the atrocious DEF...
It's hard medicine, but we're better off losing meaningless games and looking forward to what is shaping up to be an excellent draft class.
Look to the future.
Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays to all
u have got 2 be kidding. idk about u but i do not want 2 lose 2 the 9iners twice in 1 season. besides we wont go up much farther than the 7 or 8 pickQuote:
Originally Posted by Tony Soprano
And just to add to your statement....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramfan2001
How many crappy drafts have we had in recent history? We can't rely THAT heavily on it....
yeah...with the 8th pick the rams select...will blackmon CB of boston college...
all i no is we need 2 draft some decent defendersQuote:
Originally Posted by rampete
we can get "decent" defenders in the first day of the draft...what we need are very good to great defenders...and relying on the draft to do so is not enough...
FA is the way to go to get immediate results, but then even claiborne and coakely couldn't do much in our vanilla pudding defensive scheme...
if only we had the "FEARSOME FOUSOME"Quote:
Originally Posted by rampete
If you're not going to make the playoffs, you might as well get a good pick.
What good is 8-8 when you're out of the playoffs?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Soprano
i may've agreed with you on this several years back when i use to be a draft watcher, but i've come to the conclusion that if you're good at player assessment and just plain lucky sometimes, you can find excellent players in the bottom half of the draft every year. sometimes these players end up having better careers in this league than the "blue chippers"...
some examples:
2004
1 San Diego Eli Manning QB Mississippi
2 Oakland Robert Gallery T Iowa
3 Arizona Larry Fitzgerald WR Pittsburgh
4 N.Y. Giants Philip Rivers QB North Carolina State
5 Washington Sean Taylor FS Miami
6 Cleveland Kellen Winslow TE Miami
7 Detroit Roy Williams WR Texas
8 Atlanta DeAngelo Hall CB Virginia Tech
9 Jacksonville Reggie Williams WR Washington
10 Houston Dunta Robinson CB South Carolina
11 Pittsburgh Ben Roethlisberger QB Miami, O.
12 N.Y. Jets Jonathan Vilma MLB Miami
13 Buffalo Lee Evans WR Wisconsin
14 Chicago Tommie Harris DT Oklahoma
15 Tampa Bay Michael Clayton WR Louisiana State
16 Philadelphia Shawn Andrews T Arkansas
17 Denver D.J. Williams OLB Miami
18 New Orleans Will Smith DE Ohio State
19 Miami Vernon Carey T Miami
20 Minnesota Kenechi Udeze DE Southern California
21 New England Vince Wilfork DT Miami
22 Buffalo J.P. Losman QB Tulane
23 Seattle Marcus Tubbs DT Texas
24 St. Louis Steven Jackson RB Oregon State
25 Green Bay Ahmad Carroll CB Arkansas
26 Cincinnati Chris Perry RB Michigan
27 Houston Jason Babin OLB Western Michigan
28 Carolina Chris Gamble CB Ohio State
29 Atlanta Michael Jenkins WR Ohio State
30 Detroit Kevin Jones RB Virginia Tech
31 San Francisco Rashaun Woods WR Oklahoma State
32 New England Ben Watson TE Georgia
Round 2
Sel# Team Player Pos. School
33 Arizona Karlos Dansby OLB Auburn
34 N.Y. Giants Chris Snee G Boston College
35 San Diego Igor Olshansky DE Oregon
36 Kansas City Junior Siavii NT Oregon
37 Detroit Teddy Lehman OLB Oklahoma
38 Pittsburgh Ricardo Colclough CB Tusculum, Tenn.
39 Jacksonville Daryl Smith OLB Georgia Tech
40 Tennessee Ben Troupe TE Florida
41 Denver Tatum Bell RB Oklahoma State
42 Tennessee Travis LaBoy DE Hawaii
43 Dallas Julius Jones RB Notre Dame
44 Indianapolis Bob Sanders FS Iowa
45 Oakland Jake Grove C Virginia Tech
46 San Francisco Justin Smiley G Alabama
47 Chicago Terry Johnson NT Washington
48 Minnesota Dontarrious Thomas OLB Auburn
49 Cincinnati Keiwan Ratliff CB Florida
50 New Orleans Devery Henderson WR Louisiana State
51 Baltimore Dwan Edwards DE Oregon State
52 Dallas Jacob Rogers T Southern California
53 Seattle Michael Boulware SS Florida State
2003
1 Cincinnati Carson Palmer QB Southern California
2 Detroit Charles Rogers WR Michigan State
3 Houston Andre Johnson WR Miami
4 N.Y. Jets Dewayne Robertson DT Kentucky
5 Dallas Terence Newman CB Kansas State
6 New Orleans Johnathan Sullivan DT Georgia
7 Jacksonville Byron Leftwich QB Marshall
8 Carolina Jordan Gross T Utah
9 Minnesota Kevin Williams DT Oklahoma State
10 Baltimore Terrell Suggs OLB Arizona State
11 Seattle Marcus Trufant CB Washington State
12 St. Louis Jimmy Kennedy DT Penn State
13 New England Ty Warren DE Texas A&M
14 Chicago Michael Haynes DE Penn State
15 Philadelphia Jerome McDougle DE Miami
16 Pittsburgh Troy Polamalu SS Southern California
17 Arizona Bryant Johnson WR Penn State
18 Arizona Calvin Pace DE Wake Forest
19 Baltimore Kyle Boller QB California
20 Denver George Foster T Georgia
21 Cleveland Jeff Faine C Notre Dame
22 Chicago Rex Grossman QB Florida
23 Buffalo Willis McGahee RB Miami
24 Indianapolis Dallas Clark TE Iowa
25 N.Y. Giants William Joseph DT Miami
26 San Francisco Kwame Harris T Stanford
27 Kansas City Larry Johnson RB Penn State
28 Tennessee Andre Woolfolk CB Oklahoma
29 Green Bay Nick Barnett MLB Oregon State
30 San Diego Sammy Davis CB Texas A&M
31 Oakland Nnamdi Asomugha CB California
32 Oakland Tyler Brayton DE Colorado
Round 2
Sel# Team Player Pos. School
33 Cincinnati Eric Steinbach G Iowa
34 Detroit Boss Bailey OLB Georgia
35 Chicago Charles Tillman CB Louisiana-Lafayette
36 New England Eugene Wilson FS Illinois
37 New Orleans Jon Stinchcomb T Georgia
38 Dallas Al Johnson C Wisconsin
39 Jacksonville Rashean Mathis CB Bethune-Cookman
40 Minnesota E.J. Henderson MLB Maryland
41 Houston Bennie Joppru TE Michigan
42 Seattle Ken Hamlin FS Arkansas
43 St. Louis Pisa Tinoisamoa OLB Hawaii
44 Washington Taylor Jacobs WR Florida
45 New England Bethel Johnson WR Texas A&M
46 San Diego Drayton Florence CB Tuskegee
47 Kansas City Kawika Mitchell MLB South Florida
48 Buffalo Chris Kelsay DE Nebraska
49 Miami Eddie Moore OLB Tennessee
50 Carolina Bruce Nelson C Iowa
51 Denver Terry Pierce OLB Kansas State
52 Cleveland Chaun Thompson OLB West Texas A&M
53 N.Y. Jets Victor Hobson OLB Michigan
54 Arizona Anquan Boldin WR Florida State
2002
1 Houston David Carr QB Fresno State
2 Carolina Julius Peppers DE North Carolina
3 Detroit Joey Harrington QB Oregon
4 Buffalo Mike Williams T Texas
5 San Diego Quentin Jammer CB Texas
6 Kansas City Ryan Sims DT North Carolina
7 Minnesota Bryant McKinnie T Miami
8 Dallas Roy Williams FS Oklahoma
9 Jacksonville John Henderson DT Tennessee
10 Cincinnati Levi Jones T Arizona State
11 Indianapolis Dwight Freeney DE Syracuse
12 Arizona Wendell Bryant DT Wisconsin
13 New Orleans Donte' Stallworth WR Tennessee
14 N.Y. Giants Jeremy Shockey TE Miami
15 Tennessee Albert Haynesworth DT Tennessee
16 Cleveland William Green RB Boston College
17 Oakland Phillip Buchanon CB Miami
18 Atlanta T.J. Duckett RB Michigan State
19 Denver Ashley Lelie WR Hawaii
20 Green Bay Javon Walker WR Florida State
21 New England Daniel Graham TE Colorado
22 N.Y. Jets Bryan Thomas DE Ala.-Birmingham
23 Oakland Napoleon Harris ILB Northwestern
24 Baltimore Ed Reed SS Miami
25 New Orleans Charles Grant DE Georgia
26 Philadelphia Lito Sheppard CB Florida
27 San Francisco Mike Rumph CB Miami
28 Seattle Jerramy Stevens TE Washington
29 Chicago Marc Colombo T Boston College
30 Pittsburgh Kendall Simmons G Auburn
31 St. Louis Robert Thomas MLB UCLA
32 Washington Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane
Round 2
Sel# Team Player Pos. School
33 Houston Jabar Gaffney WR Florida
34 Carolina DeShaun Foster RB UCLA
35 Detroit Kalimba Edwards DE South Carolina
36 Buffalo Josh Reed WR Louisiana State
37 Dallas Andre Gurode G Colorado
38 Minnesota Raonall Smith OLB Washington State
39 San Diego Toniu Fonoti G Nebraska
40 Jacksonville Mike Pearson T Florida
41 Cincinnati Lamont Thompson FS Washington State
42 Indianapolis Larry Tripplett DT Washington
43 Kansas City Eddie Freeman DE Ala.-Birmingham
44 New Orleans LeCharles Bentley C Ohio State
45 Tennessee Tank Williams SS Stanford
46 N.Y. Giants Tim Carter WR Auburn
47 Cleveland Andre' Davis WR Virginia Tech
48 San Diego Reche Caldwell WR Florida
49 Arizona Levar Fisher OLB North Carolina State
50 Houston Chester Pitts G San Diego State
51 Denver Clinton Portis RB Miami
52 Baltimore Anthony Weaver DE Notre Dame
53 Oakland Langston Walker T California
54 Seattle Maurice Morris RB Oregon
55 Oakland Doug Jolley TE Brigham Young
56 Washington Ladell Betts RB Iowa
57 N.Y. Jets Jon McGraw FS Kansas State
58 Philadelphia Michael Lewis SS Colorado
59 Philadelphia Sheldon Brown CB South Carolina
60 Seattle Anton Palepoi DE Nevada-Las Vegas
61 Buffalo Ryan Denney DE Brigham Young
62 Pittsburgh Antwaan Randle El WR Indiana
63 Dallas Antonio Bryant WR Pittsburgh
64 St. Louis Travis Fisher CB Central Florida
65 New England Deion Branch
2001
1 Atlanta Michael Vick QB Virginia Tech
2 Arizona Leonard Davis T Texas
3 Cleveland Gerard Warren DT Florida
4 Cincinnati Justin Smith DE Missouri
5 San Diego LaDainian Tomlinson RB Texas Christian
6 New England Richard Seymour DE Georgia
7 San Francisco Andre Carter DE California
8 Chicago David Terrell WR Michigan
9 Seattle Koren Robinson WR North Carolina State
10 Green Bay Jamal Reynolds DE Florida State
11 Carolina Dan Morgan MLB Miami
12 St. Louis Damione Lewis DT Miami
13 Jacksonville Marcus Stroud DT Georgia
14 Tampa Bay Kenyatta Walker T Florida
15 Washington Rod Gardner WR Clemson
16 N.Y. Jets Santana Moss WR Miami
17 Seattle Steve Hutchinson G Michigan
18 Detroit Jeff Backus T Michigan
19 Pittsburgh Casey Hampton NT Texas
20 St. Louis Adam Archuleta SS Arizona State
21 Buffalo Nate Clements CB Ohio State
22 N.Y. Giants Will Allen CB Syracuse
23 New Orleans Deuce McAllister RB Mississippi
24 Denver Willie Middlebrooks CB Minnesota
25 Philadelphia Freddie Mitchell WR UCLA
26 Miami Jamar Fletcher CB Wisconsin
27 Minnesota Michael Bennett RB Wisconsin
28 Oakland Derrick Gibson SS Florida State
29 St. Louis Ryan Pickett NT Ohio State
30 Indianapolis Reggie Wayne WR Miami
31 Baltimore Todd Heap TE Arizona State
Round 2
Sel# Team Player Pos. School
32 San Diego Drew Brees QB Purdue
33 Cleveland Quincy Morgan WR Kansas State
34 Arizona Kyle Vanden Bosch DE Nebraska
35 Atlanta Alge Crumpler TE North Carolina
36 Cincinnati Chad Johnson WR Oregon State
37 Indianapolis Idrees Bashir FS Memphis
38 Chicago Anthony Thomas RB Michigan
39 Pittsburgh Kendrell Bell ILB Georgia
40 Seattle Ken Lucas CB Mississippi
41 Green Bay Robert Ferguson WR Texas A&M
42 St. Louis Tommy Polley OLB Florida State
43 Jacksonville Maurice Williams T Michigan
44 Carolina Kris Jenkins DT Maryland
45 Washington Fred Smoot CB Mississippi State
46 Buffalo Aaron Schobel DE Texas Christian
47 San Francisco Jamie Winborn ILB Vanderbilt
48 New England Matt Light T Purdue
49 N.Y. Jets LaMont Jordan RB Maryland
50 Detroit Dominic Raiola C Nebraska
51 Denver Paul Toviessi DE Marshall
52 Miami Chris Chambers WR Wisconsin
2000
1 Cleveland Courtney Brown DE Penn State
2 Washington LaVar Arrington OLB Penn State
3 Washington Chris Samuels T Alabama
4 Cincinnati Peter Warrick WR Florida State
5 Baltimore Jamal Lewis RB Tennessee
6 Philadelphia Corey Simon DT Florida State
7 Arizona Thomas Jones RB Virginia
8 Pittsburgh Plaxico Burress WR Michigan State
9 Chicago Brian Urlacher MLB New Mexico
10 Baltimore Travis Taylor WR Florida
11 N.Y. Giants Ron Dayne RB Wisconsin
12 N.Y. Jets Shaun Ellis DE Tennessee
13 N.Y. Jets John Abraham DE South Carolina
14 Green Bay Bubba Franks TE Miami
15 Denver Deltha O'Neal CB California
16 San Francisco Julian Peterson OLB Michigan State
17 Oakland Sebastian Janikowski K Florida State
18 N.Y. Jets Chad Pennington QB Marshall
19 Seattle Shaun Alexander RB Alabama
20 Detroit Stockar McDougle T Oklahoma
21 Kansas City Sylvester Morris WR Jackson State
22 Seattle Chris McIntosh T Wisconsin
23 Carolina Rashard Anderson CB Jackson State
24 San Francisco Ahmed Plummer CB Ohio State
25 Minnesota Chris Hovan DT Boston College
26 Buffalo Erik Flowers DE Arizona State
27 N.Y. Jets Anthony Becht TE West Virginia
28 Indianapolis Rob Morris MLB Brigham Young
29 Jacksonville R. Jay Soward WR Southern California
30 Tennessee Keith Bulluck OLB Syracuse
31 St. Louis Trung Canidate RB Arizona
Round 2
Sel# Team Player Pos. School
32 Cleveland Dennis Northcutt WR Arizona
33 New Orleans Darren Howard DE Kansas State
34 Cincinnati Mark Roman SS Louisiana State
35 San Francisco John Engelberger DE Virginia Tech
36 Philadelphia Todd Pinkston WR Southern Mississippi
37 Atlanta Travis Claridge G Southern California
38 Pittsburgh Marvel Smith T Arizona State
39 Chicago Mike Brown FS Nebraska
40 Denver Ian Gold OLB Michigan
41 Arizona Raynoch Thompson OLB Tennessee
42 N.Y. Giants Cornelius Griffin DT Alabama
43 San Diego Rogers Beckett SS Marshall
44 Green Bay Chad Clifton T Tennessee
45 Denver Kenoy Kennedy SS Arkansas
46 New England Adrian Klemm T Hawaii
47 Oakland Jerry Porter WR West Virginia
48 San Francisco Jason Webster CB Texas A&M
49 Dallas Dwayne Goodrich CB Tennessee
50 Detroit Barrett Green OLB West Virginia
51 Tampa Bay Cosey Coleman G Tennessee
52 Seattle Ike Charlton CB Virginia Tech
53 Miami Todd Wade T Mississippi
54 Kansas City William Bartee CB Oklahoma
55 Minnesota Fred Robbins DT Wake Forest
56 Minnesota Michael Boireau DE Miami
57 Carolina Deon Grant FS Tennessee
58 Buffalo Travares Tillman FS Georgia Tech
59 Indianapolis Marcus Washington OLB Auburn
60 Jacksonville Brad Meester C Northern Iowa
61 Philadelphia Bobbie Williams G Arkansas
62 St. Louis Jacoby Shepherd CB Oklahoma State
Round 3
Sel# Team Player Pos. School
63 Cleveland Travis Prentice RB Miami, O.
64 Washington Lloyd Harrison CB North Carolina State
65 San Francisco Giovanni Carmazzi QB Hofstra
66 Cincinnati Ron Dugans WR Florida State
67 Atlanta Mark Simoneau MLB Kansas State
68 Tennessee Erron Kinney TE Florida
69 Chicago Dez White WR Georgia Tech
70 Denver Chris Cole WR Texas A&M
71 Arizona Darwin Walker DT Tennessee
72 Pittsburgh Kendrick Clancy NT Mississippi
73 N.Y. Giants Ron Dixon WR Lambuth
74 Green Bay Steve Warren NT Nebraska
75 Baltimore Chris Redman QB Louisville
76 New England J.R. Redmond FB Arizona State
77 Pittsburgh Hank Poteat CB Pittsburgh
78 N.Y. Jets Laveranues Coles WR Florida State
79 Cleveland JaJuan Dawson WR Tulane
80 Seattle Darrell Jackson WR Florida
With a general house cleaning imminent - Not much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Soprano
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