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    Re: EARLY, tentative 2013 Rams 53 player roster

    i mean, from what i've watched, looks like the 2nd or 3rd fastest guy on the team next to austin

    cuts well, plays physical, shows good hands, quick, and fast

    could bring some interesting double slot formations, with him, austin, and givens on the field at the same time...sounds pretty scary in terms of burning the opposition

    could even be a good return guy so we wouldn't HAVE to use austin

    of course i want the best on the field, but he's like a white austin lol


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    Re: EARLY, tentative 2013 Rams 53 player roster

    Being a tentative roster and all, I've added Andrew Helmick as a WR and deleted TE Zach Potter for now from the 'in' names.

    That would list the Rams with six WRs? Possible, possible.


    Meanwhile, Helmick according to Ryan Van Bibber // July 29...

    The new face of scrappy:
    St. Louis Rams WR Andrew Helmick

    By Ryan Van Bibber, July 29, 2013


    Danny Amendola is gone, but there's another, perhaps scrappier player to take his place.


    There are two paths to becoming a sports icon in St. Louis. First, is the way of the superstar player, typically humble ones with a sterling reputation that earn the honor. The second, more difficult path is to be shortish, white-ish and able to outwork your natural ability, i.e. be scrappy.

    The Cardinals used to have a monopoly on scrappy players, thanks to Tony La Russa's knack for turning up guys like Bo Hart and David Eckstein. The St. Louis Rams found their own version of scrappy in 2009 with Danny Amendola. But now Amendola is gone, and the Rams turn to a new, potentially scrappier player: wide receiver Andrew Helmick.

    A rising star in the early days of training camp, Helmick is turning heads with highlight catches and speedy play. But the scouting report we're most concerned with is the guy's scrappy status. Let's review.


    UNDERDOG STATUS

    The Rams signed Helmick as an undrafted free agent in May. The Dolphins were reportedly interested in him as a UDFA following the draft. He then got tryouts with the Browns and the Falcons, before landing with in St. Louis.

    Rejected by other teams is pretty good start to upping a player's underdog score, but we also have to consider his chances for making the roster. Right now, the Rams have five receivers with a very good shot at making the final 53-man roster (Austin, Bailey, Quick, Givens and Pettis). They usually only keep six, so the long shot factor is there for Helmick who has to beat out another four players for the final spot.

    Score: 8 (on a scale of 10)


    WORK ETHIC

    If you read what the coaches are saying after practice these days, there are 90 players on the field giving it their all. Sure, everyone works hard, but work ethic is particularly important to the scrappy player. He uses that to overcome the innate biases of the scouting process.

    Helmick discussed what sets him apart from other players in an interview prior to this year's draft. From NFL Draft Zone:

    "I feel my strengths are definitely my work ethic and speed & strength combination.

    For weaknesses, I'd like to say I'm always working on every part of my game, but what I spend most time perfecting is being a little more loose while running, especially through the hips, and being more of a vocal leader. I've always led by example, but I'm working on being vocally there as well."


    Man, that quote exudes scrappy. Even when he's talking about his weaknesses, Helmick brings it back to his work ethic. (Not a bad tip for your next job interview either, kids). And leading by example? Pretty damn scrappy.

    SCORE: 10


    PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS

    Even the scrappiest of players has the occasional flaw in his profile. Helmick is officially listed at 6'0 tall and weighing 192 pounds. He would tower over most of the scrappy second basemen once preferred by the Cardinals. And his measurements give him an inch and 10 pounds over Danny Amendola.

    As NFL receivers go, 6'0 is plenty big to play in the pros. That size could help him stick on the final roster, but it knocks his overall scrappy grade down a notch.

    Score: 6


    LOCAL CONNECTION

    Players don't have to have some tie to the St. Louis metro area to be scrappy. However, having that local connection only adds to the overall scrappiness of a player.

    Helmick is from Kansas City, Mo., which for most St. Louisians is a strange, foreign place, similar only because of the state's boundaries and un-contained suburban sprawl. But Helmick made the trek over I-70 to play college football at Lindenwood University in St. Louis. It's more than enough to give him the bonus points for having an established link.

    Bonus score: 8


    O V E R A L L

    You don't need a mathematician see that the numbers clearly favor Helmick. He'd be an easy first-round pick if teams actually drafted players based on scrappiness (which would have been a better system than the one used during Zygmunt-Softli era at Rams Park).

    At any rate, the guy definitely has his bona fides in order to be St. Louis' next scrappy star. All he has to do now is make the final cut. If Helmick keeps playing the way he has been through the first four days of training camp, he's got a good shot.

    - Andrew Helmick is working hard to make the grade.


    Hmmm: T. Austin + S. Bailey + C. Givens + A. Helmick + A. Pettis + B. Quick.

    PS: Then we have TEs J. Cook and L. Kendricks. ...What is Sam Bradford going to do!?!

    Again, check out video interview with Helmick in post #12.
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    Re: EARLY, tentative 2013 Rams 53 player roster

    OL Graham Pocic was just signed today (Jul. 29) by the Rams and is in the mix of things at training camp. Not sure if he would be projected as a center, the position he played at Illinois and his forte, or tackle; Pocic seems to be to be too tall for a center in the NFL at 6-7".




    Rams sign rookie offensive lineman Graham Pocic
    Posted by Mike Wilkening on July 29, 2013, 7:52 PM EDT
    NBC Sports / AP


    The Rams signed undrafted rookie offensive lineman Graham Pocic on Monday. The move was disclosed in the NFL’s official transactions.

    Pocic (6-7, 310) made 34 starts at center in his final three seasons at Illinois. However, he’s listed as a tackle on the Rams’ roster, and he did make a pair of starts at right tackle in his senior season.

    Pocic, 23, earned honorable mention all-Big Ten honors from the media in 2012.

    With the addition of Pocic, the Rams are at the 90-player limit.
    Sure, camp bodies abound but you never know.

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    Re: EARLY, tentative 2013 Rams 53 player roster

    with the addition of helmick, i'll be even more excited, sam should be too with all these speedsters!

    austin: 4.34
    helmick: 4.38
    cook: 4.4
    givens: 4.41
    quick: 4.45
    bailey: 4.5
    pettis and kendricks: 4.56 and 4.57 respectively

    though givens should be faster now, so basically you have 4 guys under a 4.4...quick may be around that too so 5 out of the 7 guys to throw to at a 4.5 or under....4 under a 4.4

    holy crap
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    Re: EARLY, tentative 2013 Rams 53 player roster

    Helmick is dealing with a hamstring injury. Going to be difficult to make the roster unless he comes back very quickly. Plus, he'd be the #6 WR and the Rams aren't likely going with 6. I think Helmick ends up on the practice squad.

    Shelley Smith is making this roster. Nsekhe isn't. Smith is sharing reps with Williams with the 1st teamers to see who starts. If Nsekhe is starting the Rams are in serious trouble.

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    Re: EARLY, tentative 2013 Rams 53 player roster

    Quote Originally Posted by RebelYell View Post
    Helmick is dealing with a hamstring injury. Going to be difficult to make the roster unless he comes back very quickly. Plus, he'd be the #6 WR and the Rams aren't likely going with 6. I think Helmick ends up on the practice squad.
    Hmm, was not aware that Helmick has a hammy -- is this a recent / lingering situation? The article above (post #17) is from yesterday and does not mention this WR prospect having an injury. It does say, however, that the Rams might keep six wide receivers and favors Helmick to earn the last spot.

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    Re: EARLY, tentative 2013 Rams 53 player roster

    Quote Originally Posted by RealRam View Post
    Hmm, was not aware that Helmick has a hammy -- is this a recent / lingering situation? The article above (post #17) is from yesterday and does not mention this WR prospect having an injury. It does say, however, that the Rams might keep six wide receivers and favors Helmick to earn the last spot.
    Jim Thomas ‏@jthom1 2h

    One reason rams signed wr justin veltrung is that lindenwood product andrew helmick will miss a few weeks w/hamstring injury.
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    Re: EARLY, tentative 2013 Rams 53 player roster

    U P D A T E D July 31: Rams waive OT Braden Brown (injured) and Guard Kevin Saia. WR Justin Veltung is added in lieu of Andrew Helmick.


    Very early list of 53 Rams players I'm expecting to make the 2013 team; selections in progress:

    Related dates per NFL on NBC:

    * August 27 — Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, clubs must reduce their rosters to a maximum of 75 players on the Active List.

    * August 28 — All tryouts on this date and for the remainder of the season must be reported to the League office.

    * August 29 — Final Preseason Games.

    * August 31 — Prior to 6:00 p.m. New York time, clubs must reduce rosters to a maximum of 53 players on the Active/Inactive List.



    Based on Draft picks, TC reports, and veteran player value.


    # - - - NAME - - - - - - - - POS. - HT. WT. AGE - EXP. - College
    _____________________________________________________


    50 Armstrong, Ray-Ray - - - LB - - 6-3 227 - 22 - - R - - Miami

    11 Austin, Tavon - - - - - - WR - -5-9 174 - 22 - - R - - West Virginia

    5 - Baer, Brett - - - - - - - - - K - - 5-11 194 - 23 - - R - - Louisiana-Lafayette

    12 Bailey, Stedman - - - -- WR - 5-10 193 - 22 - -- R - - West Virginia

    68 Barksdale, Joe - - - - - - T - - 6-5 329 - - 25 - - 3 - - LSU

    61 Barnes, Tim - - - - - - - - - C -- 6-4 300 - - 25 - - 2 - Missouri

    53 Bates, Daren - - - - - - - - LB - 5-11 212 - 22 - - R - - Auburn

    16 Blake, Emory - - - - - - - - WR - 6-0 196 - 22 - - R - - Auburn

    8 - Bradford, Sam - - - - - - QB - 6-4 224 -- 25 - - 4 - - Oklahoma

    90 Brockers, Michael - - - - DT -- 6-5 322 - 22 - - 2 - - LSU

    96 Brodine, Mason - - - - -- DE - 6-7 270 -- 25 - - 1 - - Nebraska-Kearney

    57 Brown, Sammy - - - - -- LB -- 6-2 242 -- 23 - - 2 -- Houston

    10 Clemens, Kellen - - - - - QB -- 6-2 220 -- 30 - - 8 - -Oregon

    71 Conrath, Matthew - - - - DT -- 6-7 290 - -23 - - 2 - -Virginia

    89 Cook, Jared - - - - - - - - TE -- 6-5 248 -- 26 - - 5 - -South Carolina

    93 Cudjo, Jermelle - - - - -- DT - 6-2 311 -- 26 - - 4 - -Central Oklahoma

    45 Cunningham, Benny - -- RB - 5-10 210 - 23 - - R --Middle Tennessee

    62 Dahl, Harvey - - - - - - -- G - - 6-5 308 -- 32 - - 7 - -Nevada-Reno

    37 Daniels, Matthew - - - - - - S - - 6-0 211 -- 23 - - 2 - -Duke

    9 - Davis, Austin - - - - - - - - QB - 6-2 221 - - 24 - - 2 - -Southern Mississippi

    38 Davis, Cody - - - - - - - -- S - 6-2 204 - - 24 - -- R - -Texas Tech

    58 Dunbar, Jo-Lonn - - - - - - LB - 6-0 226 -- 28 - -- 6 - - Boston College

    XX Fields, Demetrius - - - - - WR - 6-0 210 - - 23 - - R - - Northwestern

    31 Finnegan, Cortland - - - CB - 5-10 188 -- 29 - - 8 - - Samford

    42 Ganaway, Terrance - - - RB -- 6-1 240 - - 24 - - 2 - - Baylor

    27 Giordano, Matt - - - - -- DB - 5-11 204 -- 30 - - 9 - - California

    13 Givens, Chris - - - - - - - WR -- 6-0 198 - - 23 - - 2 - - Wake Forest

    69W Goebel, Garrett - - - - - DT - - 6-4 292 - -- 24 - -R - - Ohio State

    81 Graham, Cameron - - - - TE - - 6-3 244 - - 24 - - 1 - - Louisville

    48 Hall, Rashard - - - - - - -- S - - 6-1 210 - - 23 - - R - - Clemson

    46 Harkey, Cory - - - - - -- TE - - 6-4 260 - - 23 - - 2 - - UCLA

    95 Hayes, William - - - - - DE - - 6-3 272 - - 28 - - 6 - - Winston-Salem State

    6 - Hekker, John - - - - - -- P - - 6-5 227 - - 23 - - 2 - - Oregon State

    84 Helmick, Andrew - - - - - WR - 6-0 192 - - 22 - - R - - Lindenwood

    64B Hooey, Sean - - - - - - - T - - 6-9 295 - - 23 - - R - - Cincinnati

    56 Hull, Josh - - - - - - - -- SLB - 6-3 245 - - 26 - -- 4 - - Penn State

    49 Hus, Jorgen - - - - - - - - LS -- 6-1 232 - - 23 - -- R - - Regina

    21 Jenkins, Janoris - - - -- CB - 5-10 193 - - 24 - - 2 - - North Alabama

    3 Jenkins, Timothy - - - - - - QB -- 6-1 200 - -- 22 - - R - - Fort Lewis

    14 Johnson, Nick - - - - - - - WR - 5-11 187 - - 23 - - 1 - - Henderson State

    22 Johnson, Trumaine - - CB - - 6-2 204 - -- 23 - - 2 - - Montana

    67 Jones, Barrett - - - - - G/C -- 6-4 306 - -- 23 - - R - - Alabama

    88 Kendricks, Lance - - -- TE - - 6-3 247 - -- 25 - - 3 - - Wisconsin

    98 Langford, Kendall - - - DE - - 6-6 295 - -- 27 - - 6 - - Hampton

    79W Lapuaho, Al - - - - - -- DT - - 6-2 301 - - 21 - -- R - - Utah State

    55 Laurinaitis, James - -- LB - - 6-2 250 - - 26 - -- 5 - - Ohio State

    64W LeBeau, Joseph - - - -- LB - 6-1 245 - - - 21 - - R - - Jackson St.

    59 Lee, Ryan - - - - - - - - - G - - 6-3 308 - -- 24 - - 1 - - Furman

    91 Long, Chris - - - - - - - DE -- 6-3 270 - -- 28 - - 6 - - Virginia

    77 Long, Jake - - - - - - - - T - - 6-7 319 - - 28 - - - 6 - - Michigan

    43 Lutzenkirchen, Philip - TE - 6-3 258 - - 22 - - - R - - Auburn

    43W Martin Jr., Andre - - -- DB - 5-10 195 - 23 - - -- R - - North Dakota St.

    25 McDonald, T.J. - - - - - FS -- 6-2 219 - - - 22 - - R - - USC

    32 McGee, Brandon - - -- CB - - 5-11 193 -- 22 - -- R - - Miami

    23 McLeod, Rodney - - - - S - - 5-11 183 - - 23 - -- 2 - - Virginia

    89 McNeill, Mike - - - - - - - TE -- 6-4 235 - -- 25 - -- 3 - - Nebraska

    44 McQuaide, Jake - - - -- LS -- 6-2 247 - - 25 - - - 3 - - Ohio State

    60 Nsekhe, Ty - - - - - - -- T - - 6-8 325 - - 27 - - -- 1 -- Texas State

    52 Ogletree, Alec - - - - -- LB -- 6-3 242 - - 21 - - - R - - Georgia

    24 Pead, Isaiah - - - - - -- RB - 5-10 197 - - 23 - -- 2 - - Cincinnati

    18 Pettis, Austin - - - - - - WR - 6-3 207 - -- 25 - -- 3 - - Boise State

    33 Pointer, Quinton - - - - - DB - 5-9 186 - -- 25 - - - 2 - - UNLV

    87 Potter, Zach - - - - - - -- TE - 6-7 265 - -- 27 - - - 5 - - Nebraska

    86 Prince, Colby - - - - - - - TE - 6-5 257 - -- 24 - - - R - - Oregon State

    83 Quick, Brian - - - - - - WR - 6-3 220 - -- 24 - - - 2 - - Appalachian State

    94 Quinn, Robert - - - - - DE - 6-4 264 - - - 23 - - - 3 - - North Carolina

    15 Radway, Raymond - - - WR - 6-3 204 - -- 26 - - - 2 - - Abilene Christian

    34 Reynolds, Chase - - - -- RB - 6-0 200 - -- 25 - - -- 1 - - Montana

    26 Richardson, Daryl - -- RB - 5-10 196 - -- 23 - - - 2 -- Abilene Christian

    99 Rivers, Gerald - - - - - - DE - 6-5 249 - - - 23 - - - R - - Ole Miss

    76 Saffold, Rodger - - - -- T -- 6-5 314 - - - 25 - - - 4 - - Indiana

    97 Sims, Eugene - - - - - DE - 6-6 265 - - - 27 - - - 4 - - West Texas A&M

    66 Smith, Shelley - - - - -- G -- 6-4 297 - - - 26 - - - 4 - - Colorado State

    30 Stacy, Zac - - - - - - - RB - 5-8 216 - - - 22 - - - R - - Vanderbilt

    36 Steeples, Robert - - - - CB - 6-1 194 - - - 23 - - - R - - Memphis

    47 Stevens, Eric - - - - - - RB - 5-11 240 - - 23 - - -- R - - Cal

    20 Stewart, Darian - - -- S -- 5-11 214 - - 24 - - - 4 - -- South Carolina

    59 Stewart, Jonathan - -- ILB - 6-3 242 - -- 22 - - - R - -- Texas A&M

    41 Thomas, Drew - - - - - DB - 5-9 188 - -- 23 - - - R - -- UTEP

    XX Veltung, Justin - - - - WR - 5-11 185 - - 22 - - - R - -- Idaho

    70 Washington, Brandon-G- 6-2 320 - -- 24 - - - 1 - -- Miami

    92 Washington, R.J. - - -- DE - 6-3 270 - -- 24 - - - R - -- Oklahoma

    63 Wells, Scott - - - - - - C -- 6-2 300 - -- 32- - - 10 - - Tennessee

    65 Williams, Chris - - - - T -- 6-6 320 - - - 27 - - - 6 - - Vanderbilt

    52 Williams, Jabara - - - - LB - 6-2 238 - - - 24 - - - R - - Stephen F. Austin St.

    51 Witherspoon, Will - - LB - 6-1 240 - - - 32 - -- 12 - Georgia

    35 Woodard, Darren - - - CB - 5-11 175 - - 23 - - -- R - - UTEP

    4 - Zuerlein, Greg - - - - K -- 6-0 187 - -- 25 - - -- 2 - - Missouri Western


    What about Raymond Radway, WR? Was it last year that I read he was showing good potential?


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    Re: EARLY, tentative 2013 Rams 53 player roster

    This may be gimmicky only, like being able to spin a football on one finger, or having the ability to slam dunk it over the crossbar of the goal posts. I don't know. Or perhaps it is indicative of a real talent that is helpful to a DB.

    It's newly acquired Justin Veltung, WR from Idaho that was brought in to the Rams TC to fill in vacancy created by Andrew Hemlick's injury.


    We'll see, as they say...


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    Re: EARLY, tentative 2013 Rams 53 player roster

    Quote Originally Posted by RealRam View Post
    And connected to the OL theme, is Scott Wells currently our only center besides Tim Barnes? There's a C/G rookie, Sala, but I suppose that is a long shot.

    We need a full, solid OL for sure; hopefully there's another versatile player in addition to SSmith.
    Completely forgot about Barrett Jones as a center! He has the ability to play guard / center well.

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    Re: EARLY, tentative 2013 Rams 53 player roster

    RealRam I counted only 51 in blue... if I counted right.

    Good list.

    I would add:
    Armstrong, Ray-Ray LB
    Smith, Shelley G


    Changes I would make

    Davis, Austin for Clemens, Kellen
    Williams, Jabara for Brown, Sammy
    Daniels, Matthew for Davis, Cody

    Practice squad
    Cunningham, Benny RB
    Steeples, Robert CB
    Rivers, Gerald DE
    Helmick, Andrew WR
    Blake, Emory WR
    Davis, Cody S
    Barnes, Tim C
    Brown, Sammy LB
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    Re: EARLY, tentative 2013 Rams 53 player roster

    Rambos your list with Real Rams makes alot of sense to me mate!

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    Re: EARLY, tentative 2013 Rams 53 player roster

    Updated "roster" by adding Cunningham, RB. Seems he is earning the spot.

    Yikes, five?...

    * Cunningham
    * Ganaway
    * Pead
    * Richardson
    * Stacy


    Also, the Clemens / Davis backup QB possibilities intrigue me. Rambos suggested it and I think others also prefer Davis over Clemens?

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    Re: EARLY, tentative 2013 Rams 53 player roster

    I really like andrew helmick he is sharp and fast I think he makes the 53 and will fit great in the rotation with the WR group

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    Re: EARLY, tentative 2013 Rams 53 player roster

    Quote Originally Posted by OldRamsfan View Post
    I really like Andrew Helmick he is sharp and fast I think he makes the 53 and will fit great in the rotation with the WR group.
    Yes, same here. I too would like to see Helmick become part of a Rams six-WR crew. But that hamstring injury he suffered last Monday is the usual two-fold problem -- he's missed too many reps and return status is unknown.

    Hopefully he will be kept on the shelf for 'when the time comes'!

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