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    A few interesting defensive stats...

    I'm a numbers guy. I'd rather see stats than listen to an "expert". And I'm not making any conclusions here, but just a few observations that give me reason to hope.

    Passes Defended - If we're going to have a pass rushing defense, we have to have CBs that are active. Bartell (10) and Fletcher (11) totaled 21 PDs last year. That's the first time since 2003 that 2 Ram CBs had double-digit PDs. Additionally, Robbins 7 PDs is the most of any Rams D-lineman in over a decade.

    Missing OJ? - Of course we will. However, the pendulum may have started to swing to newer blood last year. Fletcher led the team in Ints., not OJ. OJ was 3rd in PDs last year behind Bartell & Fletcher. He was tied (w/ Grant) for 3rd in forced fumbles behind Long and Hall. He didn't lead the secondary in tackles, Dahl did. Again, not saying the Rams have the immediate replacement......but then again, OJ's not irreplaceable.

    Pass Rush - There were 43 total sacks, 33 from the DL. That 33 from the DL is more than the whole defenses amassed from any Rams team since '06.

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    Re: A few interesting defensive stats...

    I'm not sold the defense won't take a slight step back this year but I'm 100% confident they are moving in the right direction. My concern is that Robbins & Hall played so amazingly well, I'm concerned that a drop off is possible. At the same time they are building with youth all along that defense. I'm excited to see how those late round DBs the last two years develop over the next few. As much as I love Sam Bradford, the defense is what excites me the most I think.

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    Re: A few interesting defensive stats...

    How about these stats, Hub? Comparing 2009 to 2010.

    20th in offensive plays from scrimmage -> 7th in offensive plays from scrimmage
    29:10 TOP -> 31:14 TOP
    175 points -> 289 points (A TD per game difference)
    -13 TO -> +5 TO

    Which leads to:
    372.8 allowed YPG -> 336.8 allowed YPG
    436 points allowed -> 328 points allowed (in case you're not following: in net points, we increased by over 200!)
    27th in Rush aYPG(137.6) -> 17th in Rush aYPG(113.1)

    And the defense, being more rested and having a lead frequently did:
    25th in Pass aYPG(235.2)-> 19th in Pass aYPG(223.6)
    30th in sacks -> 7th in sacks

    Overall reason for this?
    QB10 -> QB8
    I believe!

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    Re: A few interesting defensive stats...

    Quote Originally Posted by RebelYell View Post
    I'm not sold the defense won't take a slight step back this year but I'm 100% confident they are moving in the right direction. My concern is that Robbins & Hall played so amazingly well, I'm concerned that a drop off is possible. At the same time they are building with youth all along that defense. I'm excited to see how those late round DBs the last two years develop over the next few. As much as I love Sam Bradford, the defense is what excites me the most I think.


    Robert Quinn will more than pick up any slack that Hall leaves. Quinn is going to be a monster. He has more raw talent than Long.

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    Re: A few interesting defensive stats...

    Seems to me there was a song - "The Mighty Quinn".

    Don't recall the lyrics, as it was during the sixties and I was there.
    "the Heart Lies and the Head Plays Tricks with us, but the Eyes See True".

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    Re: A few interesting defensive stats...

    Quinn hasn't played football for nearly 2 years and now he's missing minicamps and organized team activities. Most likely we'll be seeing a modified and condensed training camp program and possibly multiple preseason games. I'm not as confident as some that he'll provide an immediate impact. Quinn is going to have a difficult task of being more than a situational player in 2011.

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    Re: A few interesting defensive stats...

    You're quite possibly correct in that assessment Rebel, but when that situation is killing the Quarterback and the guy is one of the most pure and talented pass rushers to come out in a few years(and he is; he easily could have been #1 if not for the suspension), the talents and situation matches up well. I would have no problem with Quinn only being a passing down player this year given his rust and limited coaching time. Besides, he would have to unseat Hall in training camp anyway. Quinn was a pick, and a value pick at that, for the future.

    Fun fact: only two players in the top 20 sackers last year had less than 3 years experience. Suh, defensive rookie of the year, and Clay Matthews, who was in his third year. 2012, Quinn will be up there.
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    Re: A few interesting defensive stats...

    Immediate impact from Quinn is very unlikely. There is a nice learning curve for defensive ends in the NFL, especially ones that are a year removed from football on ANY level and ones that are forced to miss training camp, let alone OTAs as well...

    I expect more of a George Selvie rookie year for Quinn with perhaps 1 or 2 more sacks thrown in. Robert Quinn is likely going to be one of those 3rd year type guys.

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    Re: A few interesting defensive stats...

    Quinn will be an immediate force on third downs. He will have to learn and get better against the run.

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    Re: A few interesting defensive stats...

    "Come all without, come all within You'll not see nothing like the Mighty Quinn "

    Quinn the Eskimo - 1967 folk-rock song written by Bob Dylan and first recorded during The Basement Tapes sessions.

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    Re: A few interesting defensive stats...

    Manfrred Mann made it a pop hit in 1968 as "Mighty Quinn"

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    Re: A few interesting defensive stats...

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasRam View Post
    Seems to me there was a song - "The Mighty Quinn".

    Don't recall the lyrics, as it was during the sixties and I was there.


    Yes, that was the song -- and I liked it very much with Klaus Voorman at bass. I had posted a couple of weeks ago about 'The Mighty Quinn' recording by Manfred Mann in the Rams 1st Round Draft Pick thread / sticky.

    Point is, I agree: We have a Mighty Quinn in the making already at DE. Definite Rams D-### upgrade.


    Manfred Mann photo below shows Voorman in back, white collar.

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