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    Flipper, Ellard V Bruce, Holt

    A quick question to you guys Whos is the best pair?????? they are both in there Prime????

    for me it would have to be BRUCE and HOLT,

    Bruce reminds me so much of Ellard, nice to see that Ellard is still with the Rams on the coaching staff...

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    Re: Flipper, Ellard V Bruce, Holt

    Bruce/Holt hands down !! Wait, is it the receivers or the system ??

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    Re: Flipper, Ellard V Bruce, Holt

    Holt is the most physically gifted receiver the Rams have ever had, and I don't think he's necessarily reached his peak. Bruce is a future Hall-of-Famer who could be the best route-runner ever.

    No contest.

    How about Ron Jessie and Harold Jackson? Maybe not (though they were very good).

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    Re: Flipper, Ellard V Bruce, Holt

    How about crazylegs hirsch and tom fears? Two hall of famers who played together for at least one ram title. Let us not forget to give respect to the great rams from eras gone by. Granted, I doubt either of those guys could compare speed wise to holt and bruce, but in their era, they were both incredibly dominating.

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    Re: Flipper, Ellard V Bruce, Holt

    One thing that I think made all these receivers special is that they each complimented each other.

    You look thought history and you will find that with every great receiver comes another great one lined up opposite of them.

    Without Holt you have no Bruce, Without Flipper you have no Ellard. I think the combo thing is a very important factor.

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    Re: Flipper, Ellard V Bruce, Holt

    Well I wasn't born yet for crazylegs and fears, unfortunately.

    I would have to say Bruce/Holt in a close one because of their speed and physicalness.
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    Re: Flipper, Ellard V Bruce, Holt

    This is a great question and an extremely tough one to answer as far as I'm concerned.

    Ellard and Anderson were incredible receivers. I don't think anyone ran better routes than Ellard in his day. Inside, outside, possession or deep, Ellard could do it all and hes got the numbers to prove it. Still 5th all-time in receiving yards and tenth all-time in receptions. Anderson was an epic receiver who had soft hands and breakaway speed which he used to smash (and continue to hold) the NFL record for most receiving yards in a game, 336. In the Rams glory year of 89, he averaged 26 yards per catch. Truly a great tandem.

    Bruce and Holt are still obviously as good or better than any tandem in the NFL. IMO, Bruce runs the smoothest, most precise routes in NFL history. Hes as good as anyone ever has been in making tightrope sideline catches as well. His numbers are huge as are his legendary big game performances. Holt could arguably be considered the best receiver in the NFL, and is only getting better. Amazing hands and another great Ram route runner with epic numbers. At the rate hes going, hell follow Bruce into the HOF.

    At this point in time, taking into consideration numbers, performance, consistency and ability, its a close call, but I give the nod to Bruce and Holt. If Holt had a few more years under his belt, it would be no contest.

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    Re: Flipper, Ellard V Bruce, Holt

    How about Jack Snow. I've seen old footage of him and I was impressed. Bruce and Holt would be the logical choice, both have been to the Big One twice. Ellard and Anderson were really good when Everett was tossing them the rock. I still remember that playoff game vs the Giants, when Everett hit Anderson for the game winner in OT and he kept running all the way into the tunnel.
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    Yes sir indeed! Excellent question.

    Seeing how Torry Holt has come of age and into what could very likely be his best season or two coming up, how he and the great Isaac Bruce really compliment each other as a terrific challenge for NFL defenses, yes, I would say this tandem is the most exceptional we've had ever.
    Again, possibly to improve even more! :rolleyes:

    As Rams, we've been so privileged to see other tremendous duos in our receivers corps. Mentioned in previous posts, Hirsch and Fears, Henry Ellard and Willie Anderson ... I remember Jack Snow and Wendell Tucker / Harold Jackson, excellent WRs of the late 60s - early 70s.

    I hope this season will be a highly productive year for Bruce & Holt, even if the Rams do manage to work out a new, formidable running game with our rookie sensation-to-be, Steven Jackson, mentored by none other than
    The Marshall.

    I hope Coach Martz goes Mad Mike again with his schemes (including Curtis, Furrey and Looker) and our QBs play well, very well.


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    Re: Flipper, Ellard V Bruce, Holt

    Well never being one to avoid a controversy I will start one. I think flipper
    was a bit of a flare up. Ellard was one of the best most humble receivers of all time. Flipper though had very little staying power. What did he do after the Rams late 80's team started to crumble and Georgia started destroying a good team? Ellard went on played a little in Washinton did his part until he retired. Flipper though just seemed to vanish. I know he had a couple single game records but is even in the HOF? (honestly I dont Know) It seems to me he was just another one of the 80s Rams flare ups (maybe the most notable but still).

    Its for this that I will put Bruce and Holt at the top of my list. Ellard coaches them so we gotta love him. Flipper I still love you I will never forget the game winning catch in OT vs the Giants. Where did you go though?
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    I agree with LA

    I think Ellard and Bruce are close to a push, with the nod maybe to Bruce. Either way you couldn't lose with either one of those guys. So, it comes down to Flipper vs Holt. Holt beats Flipper. And you know, that's nothing against Flipper. Flipper Anderson is one of my all time favorite Rams. However, Torry Holt has the tools to become when it's all said and done, one of the great WR's in the history of the NFL. He's that good.
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    Re: Flipper, Ellard V Bruce, Holt

    I think Ellard and Bruce are close to a push, with the nod maybe to Bruce. Either way you couldn't lose with either one of those guys. So, it comes down to Flipper vs Holt. Holt beats Flipper. And you know, that's nothing against Flipper. Flipper Anderson is one of my all time favorite Rams. However, Torry Holt has the tools to become when it's all said and done, one of the great WR's in the history of the NFL. He's that good.
    I couldn't agree more. It's nice to know that one of the best receivers to play the game is on your team. :ramlogo:
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    Re: Flipper, Ellard V Bruce, Holt

    Great thoughts guys, LA you ask about Flipper and where he went, I'm sure he signed a FA contract with the Colts if I can remember, then he got injured and that was that.....sad... :disappoin

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    Re: Flipper, Ellard V Bruce, Holt

    I heard he was in prison. I'm not sure if that's true or not though.

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    Re: Flipper, Ellard V Bruce, Holt

    Just some info on Flipper (Trying to find where he is now):

    http://www.profootballhof.com/index....cont_id=191356

    Decade-by-Decade: The 1980s and Flipper's Record

    Anderson "Flips" his way into the record books
    Coming into twelfth week of the 1989 season, second-year wide receiver Willie "Flipper" Anderson's greatest performance had been a 112-yard output eight weeks earlier. That was all about to change in a big way as Anderson recorded one of the greatest offensive displays in NFL history during the Los Angeles Rams' overtime win against the New Orleans Saints.

    With their leading receiver Henry Ellard on the sidelines, the Rams were relying on Anderson to have a heavier presence on offense. He responded by shattering the NFL record for receiving yards in a game. During the afternoon, he caught 15 passes for 336 yards and one touchdown.

    Not surprisingly, it was Anderson who put the exclamation point on his amazing afternoon when he hauled in quarterback Jim Everett's pass for a 26-yard gain in overtime. His catch set up the game-winning field goal by kicker Mike Lansford at 6:38 of the sudden death period to give the Rams a 20-17 victory.

    "FLIPPER" ANDERSON FILE

    Willie Lee Anderson, Jr.
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    Born March 7, 1965 at Paulsboro, NJ
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    Receiving: 267 receptions for 5357 yards, 20.1 average, 28 TDs
    Rushing: 3 carries for 23 yards
    Kickoff Returns: 1 return for 9 yards

    THE "300" CLUB -
    NFL RECEIVERS WITH 300 YARDS RECEIVING IN A GAME

    336 -- Willie "Flipper" Anderson, Los Angeles Rams vs. New Orleans Saints, 11/26/89
    309 -- Stephone Paige, Kansas City Chiefs vs. San Diego Chargers, 12/22/85
    303 -- Jim Benton, Cleveland Rams vs. Detroit Lions, 11/22/45
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