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    Here is what it takes to wrap up the #2 seed.

    This was spurred on per General Counsels thread I just wanted to lay it out and attempt to clarify it after having done some homework.

    Both KC and the Rams have the exact same strength of schedule going into week 17.

    Opponents won - loss - ties
    KC 128-111-1
    Rams 128-111-1

    Rams need teams they played to lose which says they had an easier schedule and giving them the tiebreaker and higher pick.

    The teams that both KC and the Rams played the same amount of times can be thrown out. Because each will receive either a win or a loss based on that team outcome.

    That leaves these not-common opponents for each:
    KC:
    Oakland (2 games)
    Denver (2 games)
    SD (2 games)
    Carolina
    Tennessee
    Tampa Bay
    New Orleans
    Cincinnati

    Rams:
    Seattle (2 games)
    Arizona (2 games)
    San Francisco (2 games)
    Philadelphia
    New York Giants
    Washington
    Dallas
    Chicago

    Since Denver plays SD both teams that KC played twice KC will receive two wins and two losses for the outcome of that game. Since Seattle plays AZ both teams that the Rams played twice the Rams will receive two wins and two losses for the outcome of that game. Therefore those games cancel each other and we don't care about those 4 teams.

    Since Carolina plays NO both teams that KC played once KC will receive 1 win and 1 loss for the outcome of that game. Since Dallas plays Phily both teams that the Rams played once the Rams will receive 1 win and 1 loss for the outcome of that game. Therefore those games cancel each other and we don't care about those 4 teams.

    That leaves us with these teams that make a difference in our pursuit of the 2nd Draft Pick:

    KC:
    Oakland (2 games)
    Tennessee
    Tampa Bay
    Cincinnati

    Rams:
    San Francisco (2 games)
    New York Giants
    Washington
    Chicago

    The above games are the only game we care about and we want to see the teams under the Rams lose and the teams under KC win. Since KC played Oakland twice and the Rams played SF twice then each would either receive two wins or two losses depending on whether the team they played won or lost.

    The following are record of the teams we are concerned with and who they play:


    KC:
    Oakland (2 games) 4-11 @ Tampa Bay 9-6
    Tennessee 13-2 @ Indy 11-4
    Tampa Bay 9-6 vs. Oakland 4-11
    Cincinnati 3-11 vs. KC 2-13

    Rams:
    San Francisco (2 games) 6-9 vs. Washington 8-7
    New York Giants 12-3 @ Minnesota 9-6
    Washington 8-7 @ San Francisco 6-9
    Chicago 9-6 @ Houston 7-8

    If KC loses then that benefits the Rams strength of schedule because it gives their opponent an extra win. Since KC and Rams had identical strength of schedule going in that gives the Rams a slight advantage. If the Rams win or lose at Atlanta it would not benefit either strength of schedule because both teams will have played ATL once and both would pick up the win in strength of schedule.

    So root for the team under KC to win and root for the teams under the Rams lose. The biggest games to watch are Washington @ SF and Oakland at TB. If San Francisco loses we pickup 2 losses on our strength of schedule which benefits us. If Oakland won KC would pick up two wins which would hurt them.
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    Re: Here is what it takes to wrap up the #2 seed.

    KC:
    Oakland (2 games) 4-11 @ Tampa Bay 9-6
    Tennessee 13-2 @ Indy 11-4
    Tampa Bay 9-6 vs. Oakland 4-11
    Cincinnati 3-11 vs. KC 2-13

    Rams:
    San Francisco (2 games) 6-9 vs. Washington 8-7
    New York Giants 12-3 @ Minnesota 9-6
    Washington 8-7 @ San Francisco 6-9
    Chicago 9-6 @ Houston 7-8

    So if you start at Zero and add 1 (or 2 for SF) for every team under the Rams that loses and subtract 1 (or 2 for Oakland) for every team under KC that loses it should give us the winner of the #2 pick. If the ending result is zero then its a coin toss. If its positive then the Rams get the pick. If its negative then KC gets then pick.
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    Re: Here is what it takes to wrap up the #2 seed.

    Quote Originally Posted by RamsSB99 View Post
    If the ending result is zero then its a coin toss.


    If there is no clear winner (a tie) in the strength of schedule thing then it goes to division and conference record...in that case the Rams win hands down with that sweet 0-6 division record. The coin toss is ONLY an absolute last resort if everything else is a tie.
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    Re: Here is what it takes to wrap up the #2 seed.

    Quote Originally Posted by RamsSB99 View Post
    KC:
    Oakland (2 games) 4-11 @ Tampa Bay 9-6
    Tennessee 13-2 @ Indy 11-4
    Tampa Bay 9-6 vs. Oakland 4-11
    Cincinnati 3-11 vs. KC 2-13

    Rams:
    San Francisco (2 games) 6-9 vs. Washington 8-7
    New York Giants 12-3 @ Minnesota 9-6
    Washington 8-7 @ San Francisco 6-9
    Chicago 9-6 @ Houston 7-8

    So if you start at Zero and add 1 (or 2 for SF) for every team under the Rams that loses and subtract 1 (or 2 for Oakland) for every team under KC that loses it should give us the winner of the #2 pick. If the ending result is zero then its a coin toss. If its positive then the Rams get the pick. If its negative then KC gets then pick.
    KC
    Oakland W
    Ten Lost -1
    TB Lost -1
    Cinci W

    KC total: -2


    Rams
    Giants L +1
    Chicago L +1
    SF ?
    Washington ?


    SF plays Washington so we will either pick up 1 or 2 points we won the #2 pick.
    Last edited by RamsSB99; -12-28-2008 at 05:55 PM.

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    Re: Here is what it takes to wrap up the #2 seed.

    Quote Originally Posted by RamsSB99 View Post
    KC
    Oakland W
    Ten Lost -1
    TB Lost -1
    Cinci W

    KC total: -2


    Rams
    Giants L +1
    Chicago L +1
    SF ?
    Chicago ?


    SF plays Chicago so we will either pick up 1 or 2 points we won the #2 pick.

    I think you meant SF plays Wash so we will either pick up 1 or 2... just misspoke..

    Your analysis in the original post was awesome - I referenced it about 15 times today.. Thanks.


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