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    Re: Huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    There is no doubt that the injuries have taken a toll, I just don't buy that the team goes from scoring 22.9 points per game to 9.8 based on injuries alone.
    I don't think you'll find many who would argue this point with you. There is plenty of blame to go around, for EVERYONE.


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    Re: Huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by r8rh8rmike View Post
    Linehan is scrambling to try and make something work in a sea of madness. You don't want him calling plays, you don't want Olson calling plays, what do you want? He's trying to make some changes in an effort to get things going in the right direction. The man is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
    I agree completely. He gets criticized on one front for supporting and sticking by Olson, who played a role in last season's offensive turnaround. Then when things aren't working this season, he tries to change things up by taking over play-calling duties at a time when many fans are calling for the OC to be fired, and he still gets criticized because of comments he made supporting his assistant in the media.

    The guy is under a microscope and is taking flak for anything and everything by those who already don't like him. This should be a move that we support, because at least the guy is trying to do something to turn this team around.

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    Re: Huh?

    Okay, and would it not also be a fair statement to say that Linehan just does not seem to be the "man with a plan." Rather, he seems to be reacting (quite slowly, I might add) to the circumstances he encounters.

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    Re: Huh?

    Hey AV, look at it this way. If the offense doesn't turn around, now it will be all SL's fault...
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    Re: Huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    I agree completely. He gets criticized on one front for supporting and sticking by Olson, who played a role in last season's offensive turnaround. Then when things aren't working this season, he tries to change things up by taking over play-calling duties at a time when many fans are calling for the OC to be fired, and he still gets criticized because of comments he made supporting his assistant in the media.
    Oh, give me a break, Nick. Good coaches sustain productivity. They don't flip-flop between different approaches every few games. Linehan is being criticized because he's responsible for an untenable situation. He acknowledged last year that he can't call the plays and manage the team at the same time, and now he's acknowledging that the guy he delegated playcalling duties to can't handle the job.

    Quote Originally Posted by thoey
    Hey AV, look at it this way. If the offense doesn't turn around, now it will be all SL's fault...
    It already is his fault. He's responsible for the only options being a rock (calling the plays himself) and a hard place (Olson calling the plays).

    So where does that leave us?
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    Re: Huh?

    AV, You seem to be very intent on ignoring the varying conditions and reasonings regarding the various coaching changes. Maybe you can tell us what you would do in this current situation?

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    Re: Huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    Okay, and would it not also be a fair statement to say that Linehan just does not seem to be the "man with a plan."
    I don't agree with that statement. They had a plan that they were continuing from last season - let Olson call the plays - because it was successful. It hasn't worked out thus far, so the plan was changed to try and find a workable solution to win games.

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    Oh, give me a break, Nick.
    How about you give Linehan a break, Av? He's trying to do something to redirect this ship, something the vast majority of fans have been asking for. He's not flip-flopping his approaches every few games; the last change was made 10 games and over ten months ago. Yet you still find ways to criticize him in the process. It's no wonder Linehan never does anything to impress you, since even when he makes a decision that most have been calling for you still find something else to hammer him on.

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    Re: Huh?

    Last year, Linehan said that the playcalling duties were impacting his ability to be an effective Head Coach.

    Last week, Linehan said that Olson was doing a fine job of playcalling.

    If he was telling the truth, and actually believed both statements to be accurate, this latest move makes no sense. As some have suggested, it seems logical that someone above Linehan impacted this decision. If that is the case, and Linehan is no longer in charge, what does that say about our coaching situation?

    On the other hand, if Linehan made this latest decision all on his own, then what does that tell us? That he was lying last week? That he was lying last year? That he changes his mind on a whim? None of these are good things.

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    Re: Huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    Last year, Linehan said that the playcalling duties were impacting his ability to be an effective Head Coach.

    Last week, Linehan said that Olson was doing a fine job of playcalling.

    If he was telling the truth, and actually believed both statements to be accurate, this latest move makes no sense. As some have suggested, it seems logical that someone above Linehan impacted this decision. If that is the case, and Linehan is no longer in charge, what does that say about our coaching situation?

    On the other hand, if Linehan made this latest decision all on his own, then what does that tell us? That he was lying last week? That he was lying last year? That he changes his mind on a whim? None of these are good things.
    You think Linehan is the only coach to do this? Coaches want to support their players and staffs, it just the way it is. Mke Martz supported Larry Marmie until the end, even though it sank the ship. Lovie Smith supported Rex Grossman, then made an abrupt switch to Brian Griese. Brian Billick supported Jim Fassel before firing him and taking over the play calling himself. Business as usual in the NFL.

    This just seems like nit-picking at this point.

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    Re: Huh?

    Nit picking? Not even close.

    Linehan is a lost cause. Hopefully the FO is starting to come around to that conclusion.

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    Re: Huh?

    Maybe he's realizing what an idiot he sounds like by keeping Bulger in and sticking with the game plan that has been putting up no TDs...


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    Re: Huh?

    Hey AV do you think Vermeil was a lost cause when he started off his first two years poorly?

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    Re: Huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    Nit picking? Not even close.

    Linehan is a lost cause. Hopefully the FO is starting to come around to that conclusion.
    Getting back to the earlier discussion, would you agree that most NFL coaches engage in showing public support for their players and coaches at one time or another despite the appearance of problems? Isn't that par for the course?

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    Re: Huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by jquarando View Post
    Hey AV do you think Vermeil was a lost cause when he started off his first two years poorly?
    No. I thought the team needed a big influx of talent, which they received in 1999.

    Quote Originally Posted by r8rh8rmike
    Getting back to the earlier discussion, would you agree that most NFL coaches engage in showing public support for their players and coaches at one time or another despite the appearance of problems? Isn't that par for the course?
    You are generalizing. Have I seen coaches show support for a player or assistant despite problems? Of course.

    Have I seen a coach say, in no uncertain terms, that he has full faith in an injured QB and an inempt OC, only to demote both within the week? No.

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    Re: Huh?

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    You are generalizing. Have I seen coaches show support for a player or assistant despite problems? Of course.
    Thank you. No matter how you want to spin it, Scott Linehan is engaging in the same things all NFL coaches do at one time or another.

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