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    Ideal move

    Currently, we are stuck with the #2 pick in the NFL Draft. Everybody and their moms know Andrew Luck is going #1 to the Colts, unless they trade down. I don't see the Colts passing up on a prospect as good as himself though. So that leaves us at #2, and RG3.

    There are many teams this year that are picking fairly high that may not be able to land a franchise QB. Cleveland, Washington, possibly Jacksonville, Miami, and Seattle.

    Ideally, the best situation would be for Cleveland to fall in love with RG3 and feel like they need to grab him. That would be great for us because they are picking at #4. We could then drop down to the #4 pick, with Cleveland sliding up to #2, and we could still get an extremely talented player. Our pick is approximately worth 2,600 points, while the Browns is only 1,800. They also have a pick in the 20's depending on how the Falcons do in the post season. Lets say hypothetically they end up at 24, that pick would be worth 740. Thats a total of 2,540. Yes, you know what this means. We trade our 1.2 pick for the Browns' 1.4 and 1.24.

    That would be an amazing bargain on our end, you ask why? The Vikings are picking at #3. They already have a franchise QB in Ponder or Webb, and have a cast off LT called Charlie Johnson. And as you all know, Ponder has been demolished all season by opposing defenses leaving the Vikings with only 1 choice, drafting Matt Kalil, OT.

    Hypothetical draft :

    1, Colts : QB Andrew Luck
    2, Browns : QB Robert Griffin III
    3, Vikings : OT Matt Kalil
    4, Rams : WR Justin Blackmon

    You see how that plays out? We initially would have taken Blackmon at #2 anyways, why not drop down 2 spots, grab an extra first in the process, and still grab our franchise game breaking WR?

    This would be the best scenario a Rams fan could ask for. That would mean our draft in just the first 2 rounds would be : 1.4, 1.24, and 2.33 (first pick in the 2nd round). 3 picks in the top 33 sounds amazing to me.

    Lets hope the Browns fall in love with RG3 and feel the need to move up just to secure the pick, because at this point I think the Redskins and Dolphins would give up anything to move up to our pick and take RG3.

    The start of a dynasty, all with a 70's pornstar (as someone on this board said).
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    Re: Ideal move

    I'd love for this to happen. My only concern is that we have no leverage. We don't need a QB so the threat we'd take RG3 there is minimal. I doubt there's a front office out there that doesn't know we're already drooling over the possibility of getting Blackmon. It would be cheaper then for the Browns to swap with the Vikings. They'd get their QB cheaper and the Vikes could still shop that 4th pick or take Kalil or whomever. Of course if Cleveland thought someone was trying to get our pick...

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    Re: Ideal move

    I just hope nobody around here is surprised when the Rams start talking about how much they love RG3. Gotta blow that smoke.
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    Re: Ideal move

    um why would the browns trade up 1 spot? it doesnt mke since unless the skins or dolphins want rg3 AND THAT MIGHT PUT THE VIKES OUT OF CONTENTION FOR the tckle they want. sorry for the caps

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    Re: Ideal move

    Quote Originally Posted by DE_Ramfan View Post
    I'd love for this to happen. My only concern is that we have no leverage. We don't need a QB so the threat we'd take RG3 there is minimal. I doubt there's a front office out there that doesn't know we're already drooling over the possibility of getting Blackmon. It would be cheaper then for the Browns to swap with the Vikings. They'd get their QB cheaper and the Vikes could still shop that 4th pick or take Kalil or whomever. Of course if Cleveland thought someone was trying to get our pick...
    Exactly. There is tons of hype building around this kid, and its only going up with the kind of numbers he will put up at the combine. We have to create the illusion that we plan on taking him because we dont believe in Bradford, or that we have some nice trade offers that were seriously "considering".

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    Re: Ideal move

    Quote Originally Posted by Fastcat View Post
    um why would the browns trade up 1 spot? it doesnt mke since unless the skins or dolphins want rg3 AND THAT MIGHT PUT THE VIKES OUT OF CONTENTION FOR the tckle they want. sorry for the caps
    Its 2 spots, and thats the point. The Dolphins and the Skins definitely do want him. Yeah the Browns could move up 1 spot to the Vikings, but that is senseless. It doesn't guarantee them RG3 because we still may take him or trade down to a team that will.

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    Re: Ideal move

    Quote Originally Posted by sosa39rams View Post
    Its 2 spots, and thats the point. The Dolphins and the Skins definitely do want him. Yeah the Browns could move up 1 spot to the Vikings, but that is senseless. It doesn't guarantee them RG3 because we still may take him or trade down to a team that will.
    I wouldn't trade with the Skins or the Phins. This team is in bad shape at OT and especially WR. We don't want the #2 prospect at a position... We need the best OT or WR our pick can get.

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    Re: Ideal move

    Only problem with that is, the dolphins and especially the redskins needs a qb more then the browns.

    Dolphins pick 9th, so if we trade with them we'd have to trade up ourselves if we wanted Blackmon.

    Redskins draft 6th, behind the Bucs.

    in this scenario i have:

    Vikes picking Kalil

    Browns pick....? I dont think they take Blackmon just cause Holmgren runs things there and hes not the type of guy to draft a wr that high in my eyes, especially one rated #10 among players entering the draft. I would only hope they pick T. Richardson, but not sure theyd take a rb that high either.

    Bucs will take Claiborne if hes still on the board. Barber is way up there in age and Talib has too many legal issues and some boneheaded plays on the field so he might be cut.

    Then there us to take Blackmon.


    I love your scenario with trading with the browns, but i just dont see it happening unfortunatly.


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    Re: Ideal move

    Quote Originally Posted by Fastcat View Post
    um why would the browns trade up 1 spot? it doesnt mke since unless the skins or dolphins want rg3 AND THAT MIGHT PUT THE VIKES OUT OF CONTENTION FOR the tckle they want. sorry for the caps
    Keep this in mind..

    With Matt Barkley going back to school, and by all accounts Landry Jones is following suit, there are essentially two first round graded QB right now on the board.. Luck and Griffin. Beyond those two, the next best QB on the board are Ryan Tannehill, Nick Foles and Kirk Cousins.

    Then, you look at teams who either have a dire need for a QB, a coach/front office potentially on the hot-seat and carrying a less than ideal situation at QB or a combo of the two.. On this list, you've got Cleveland, Washington, Seattle and San Francisco. This also doesn't include Miami (who may claim they're sold on Matt Moore, but I'll buy that with as much veracity as I do Tim Tebow's chances at holding up the Lombardi Trophy this February. You also can possibly include Kansas City into the mix, although I think they MAY be more likely to re-up Orton and go with him. As is, there's 4 teams in hard need of a QB, and by all accounts and purposes, Indy plans on taking Luck.

    Suffice to say, the trimmings are bare at QB, thus what normally wouldn't make sense (moving up 2 spots) makes perfect sense in this draft for a QB starved team. I have no doubts in my mind at MINIMUM Washington and Cleveland will be calling to trade up (I can fairly say there's zero chance the new front office even entertains trading the #2 pick to San Francisco or Seattle).

    Here's my outside the box thoughts however.. If I'm Cleveland, sitting on two first rounders and a pretty high second, why not go for broke and climb all over Indianapolis to see about prying that top pick away? The team has taken many gambles at QB since coming back, and suffice to say none of them have panned out. Luck reportedly is as close to a sure thing as you're going to find, and could solidify a position that has been a revolving door since Bernie Kosar was stupidly cut by Bill Bellichick. It also would give the fan base something new to look forward to for a change and possibly put them in a nice spot for the future, as both Pittsburgh and Baltimore are on the wrong side of the age scale, and Cincy seems widely inconsistent from year to year.

    That said, if Indy is hell bent on picking Luck (a thought I'm not so sure they hold, but for arguments sake, we'll say they are), the Browns almost assuredly won't be hoping for Ryan Tannehill, Nick Foles or Kirk Cousins to be a diamond in the rough find.

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    Re: Ideal move

    Quote Originally Posted by DE_Ramfan View Post
    I'd love for this to happen. My only concern is that we have no leverage. We don't need a QB so the threat we'd take RG3 there is minimal. I doubt there's a front office out there that doesn't know we're already drooling over the possibility of getting Blackmon. It would be cheaper then for the Browns to swap with the Vikings. They'd get their QB cheaper and the Vikes could still shop that 4th pick or take Kalil or whomever. Of course if Cleveland thought someone was trying to get our pick...
    Quote Originally Posted by Fastcat View Post
    um why would the browns trade up 1 spot? it doesnt mke since unless the skins or dolphins want rg3 AND THAT MIGHT PUT THE VIKES OUT OF CONTENTION FOR the tckle they want. sorry for the caps
    Quote Originally Posted by sosa39rams View Post
    Its 2 spots, and thats the point. The Dolphins and the Skins definitely do want him. Yeah the Browns could move up 1 spot to the Vikings, but that is senseless. It doesn't guarantee them RG3 because we still may take him or trade down to a team that will.
    Its 1 spot, is what i was saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastcat View Post
    Its 1 spot, is what i was saying.
    Teams do some weird stuff when it comes to QBs. The Chargers traded up to get Leaf and they had the 3rd pick. They may not even consider trading with the Vikes because like us, the Vikings have their QB and that diminishes the chance they'd take RG3. The only chance we have is to trick someone into thinking someone else wants the pick.

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    Re: Ideal move

    The Rams don't need to make the Browns, Dolphins or Skins think we are going to take RG3. It's about having multiple teams having interest and creating a bidding war against each other. The fact that the Rams have no real interest in RG3 will not impact his trade value, in fact I think this helps. They know we don't need him they all do. Now which team can put the best offer on the table to move up and get their franchise QB.

    As fans we would like to get Blackomon and two first round picks this year, heck I would love that. But we may get multiple picks over two or three years to move way back in the first RD and that offer may come from several teams... it's going to be fun to watch.
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    Re: Ideal move

    You're assuming Cleveland is completely soured on Colt McCoy, which I don't believe is the case- certainly not enough to draft their 2nd QB in 3 years when they have a host of other needs. McCoy may or may not pan out, but I just can't see Cleveland moving up to break the bank on Griffin.

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    Re: Ideal move

    Quote Originally Posted by NJ Ramsfan1 View Post
    You're assuming Cleveland is completely soured on Colt McCoy, which I don't believe is the case- certainly not enough to draft their 2nd QB in 3 years when they have a host of other needs. McCoy may or may not pan out, but I just can't see Cleveland moving up to break the bank on Griffin.
    He was drafted in the third RD, so it's not like they paid a high price or made a huge commitment. RG3 or McCoy not close in my eyes. The Browns are not sold on him....

    "There's going to be some competition and I expect that Colt will improve just like I expect Seneca [Wallace] will improve and whoever the quarterbacks are here," said coach Pat Shurmur in his exit press conference Tuesday. "The best quarterback will play when we start the season."
    He lost his starting job...

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    Re: Ideal move

    Quote Originally Posted by NJ Ramsfan1 View Post
    You're assuming Cleveland is completely soured on Colt McCoy, which I don't believe is the case- certainly not enough to draft their 2nd QB in 3 years when they have a host of other needs. McCoy may or may not pan out, but I just can't see Cleveland moving up to break the bank on Griffin.
    It wont break the bank... They have two 1st round picks and money wise it wont cost them much more, hell, it would save them from paying 2 first rounders. And btw carolina picked 2 qbs in 2yrs so why not cleveland?

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