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    If Andre Reed is a HOFer, Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt should be locks.

    Congratulations to Andre Reed, part of the 2014 Pro Football Hall of Fame class. He is a deserving player, so I am glad to see that he was selected.

    I am also glad, though, because his selection should mean that Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt will also be HOFers one day.

    Look at the stats:

    Games Played (Career)
    Reed 234
    Bruce 223
    Holt 173

    Receptions (Career)
    Bruce 1,024
    Reed 951
    Holt 920

    Yards (Career)
    Bruce 15,208
    Holt 13,382
    Reed 13,198

    TD Receptions (Career)
    Bruce 91
    Reed 87
    Holt 74

    1,000 Yard (Receiving) Seasons
    Holt 8 (consecutive)
    Bruce 8
    Reed 4

    Receptions (Single Season Best)
    Bruce 119
    Holt 117
    Reed 90

    Yards (Single Season Best)
    Bruce 1,781
    Holt 1,696
    Reed 1,312

    TD Receptions (Single Season Best)
    Bruce 13
    Holt 12
    Reed 10

    The only area where Reed has a clear statistical advantage is total playoff numbers, as his Bills team played in many more playoff games than Bruce's and Holt's Rams teams. Nonetheless, Holt and Bruce both had 100 yard games and TDs in the Rams' Super Bowl win.

    There have been many HOF worthy WRs who had to wait a year or two before finally making it in, so I don't know that Bruce or Holt will make it on the first ballot (Bruce has the better chance). But I defy anyone to come up with a compelling basis why Bruce and Holt are not at least as deserving as Reed for the HOF.

    The numbers don't lie, and the GSOT deserves its due.
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    Re: If Andre Reed is a HOFer, Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt should be locks.

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    Re: If Andre Reed is a HOFer, Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt should be locks.

    When you take away the Playoff games and Super Bowl appearances of Andre Reed and you look at Reeds numbers, the guy isn't that spectacular, strictly from a statistical stand point. You look at Bruce and Holts and their numbers are Hall of Fame worthy. Reed has had a great career, but his numbers don't really stand out or anything.

    Holt and Bruce will make it

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    Re: If Andre Reed is a HOFer, Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt should be locks.

    Agreed, both should make the HOF...it also helps they have a Super Bowl win under their belts. Sad, but that seems to always be a consideration for those picked for the HOF--having the Ring. Eventually, the NFL does get around to recognizing the non-Super Bowl Winners for the HOF...but for those players, its often too long a wait.

    But seriously GSOT, being a part of one of the most exciting teams ever to take the field, I. Bruce/T. Holt surely are destine. Question is just how long--personally considering their impact on the game, they would be in the HOF now

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    Re: If Andre Reed is a HOFer, Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt should be locks.

    I really hope both are first ballot guys.


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    Re: If Andre Reed is a HOFer, Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt should be locks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sosa39rams View Post
    I really hope both are first ballot guys.
    Wouldn't that be great! I suspect, however, that (IMO) only Sir Isaac will be and that Holt will have to wait some time, despite the numbers that AV posted. Not sure.

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    Re: If Andre Reed is a HOFer, Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt should be locks.

    All four Rams up for the Hall definitely deserve it. Just have a hard time seeing the voters put four of the five members of a class to one team. Unfortunately I see two this year probably Pace and Warner, then Bruce and Holt go in seperately each of the following two years.

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    Re: If Andre Reed is a HOFer, Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt should be locks.

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    I am also glad, though, because his selection should mean that Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt will also be HOFers one day.
    Agreed. I hope Bruce is a first ballot, and Holt also for that matter. The thing that worries me is I thought Marvin Harrison was a lock to be a 1st ballot guy this year, yet it seems like the hall decided to go with Reed to get him in and left Harrison out completely. I'm glad they are clearing some of the WR HOFers backlog, Cris Carter, Reed etc, and I still think they need to get Tim Brown in.

    Next year is probably Marvin's year, and with the way it went this year I could see Bruce not getting 1st ballot entry because of Marvin, just like I think Reed got in at the expense of Marvin. We also have Randy Moss and T. Owens coming up to add to the backlog.

    A HOFer is a HOFer no matter what year they get in, which is why I would like to see them just clear the WR backlog. Realistically I know the voters won't do this, but I think it's a bit silly making some of these guys wait so long to get into the HOF.

    Even if Bruce isn't a first ballot guy according to the voters, we all know he's a first ballot guy, along with Holt no matter what those voters say.

    People forget Isaac's best season wasn't with the GSOT, it was on a bad 1995 team with Chris Miller and Mark Rypien at QB. Bruce did a whole lot with not much to work with that year. That's a first ballot guy to me.
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    Re: If Andre Reed is a HOFer, Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt should be locks.

    It's hard to tell what a first ballot HOFer is anymore, especially when it comes to receivers. Tim Brown had a career pretty similar to Isaac Bruce and he's been eligible for the HOF since 2010 and he still hasn't gotten in.

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    Re: If Andre Reed is a HOFer, Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt should be locks.

    They're certainly Hall-of-Famers in my eyes, but with the recent track record of guys like Reed, Chris carter, etc. having to wait, plus others like Tim Brown not yet in, I do not anticipate seeing either Bruce or Holt get in right away.
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    Re: If Andre Reed is a HOFer, Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt should be locks.

    I think they make it, but it will take a couple tries...
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