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    Re: If Fisher is hired, it builds the case to draft Blackmon.

    Quote Originally Posted by richtree View Post
    Wow....you really think the line is ok because we have a offensive system....this line may be the worst in franchise history....and you think it is ok.....

    I think we need athletes more than anyone but I realize that 2 Legit offensive Linemen must be added for any attempt at going .500 or above next season and beyond
    Well let's see. In the quick, three step drop Shurmur offense, a less talented line(4 same starters, and Dahl was our best this year), Sam was able to move the ball effectively between the 20's with little problem. This year we had trouble getting anything going, and then we collapsed in the red zone as usual, when we actually got there.

    I'd be fine with a quick strike offense, but I'd like to see some downfield strikes at some point, unlike with Shurmur. I have faith that the Amazon Kend-L can tear it up in the middle of the field with more time working with Sam, and if we have Blackmon or some one else on the outside to pair with Amendola or Salas in the slot, there should be someone open to make a play.
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    Re: If Fisher is hired, it builds the case to draft Blackmon.

    Quote Originally Posted by richtree View Post
    Wow....you really think the line is ok because we have a offensive system....this line may be the worst in franchise history....and you think it is ok.....

    I think we need athletes more than anyone but I realize that 2 Legit offensive Linemen must be added for any attempt at going .500 or above next season and beyond
    Did you even read my post?

    I stated we still need to make some moves on the line, but drafting Kalil isn't necessary with a 3 step scheme like the WCO.

    Our line was upgraded from last year but the amount of time for the plays to develop and teams with big leads early blitzing really devastated our QBs.

    Ill also repeat that this line minus Harvey Dahl performed well in the WCO...

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    Re: If Fisher is hired, it builds the case to draft Blackmon.

    I agree 100% with Blackmon....Our new FO needs to also look into FA.

    Lloyd is a goner, so IMHO we need to sign a quality WR through FA.

    My pick is Robert Meacham NO....I know there are other WR coming into free agency but Meacham might come cheaper than others.

    Blackmon, Meacham and Amendola sounds good to me.....than let Salas, Pettis, DX and whoever else is there fight it out for the final spots.

    I know we also need help on our O-line, Zedric Sanders OT in the second round.

    I think Saffold will rebound with a good coaching.
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    Re: If Fisher is hired, it builds the case to draft Blackmon.

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFan1980 View Post
    I agree 100% with Blackmon....Our new FO needs to also look into FA.

    Lloyd is a goner, so IMHO we need to sign a quality WR through FA.

    My pick is Robert Meacham NO....I know there are other WR coming into free agency but Meacham might come cheaper than others.

    Blackmon, Meacham and Amendola sounds good to me.....than let Salas, Pettis, DX and whoever else is there fight it out for the final spots.

    I know we also need help on our O-line, Zedric Sanders OT in the second round.

    I think Saffold will rebound with a good coaching.
    Im not sure how big of FA moves we will be able to make with the limited cap room.

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    Re: If Fisher is hired, it builds the case to draft Blackmon.

    Quote Originally Posted by TekeRam View Post
    Well let's see. In the quick, three step drop Shurmur offense, a less talented line(4 same starters, and Dahl was our best this year), Sam was able to move the ball effectively between the 20's with little problem. This year we had trouble getting anything going, and then we collapsed in the red zone as usual, when we actually got there.

    I'd be fine with a quick strike offense, but I'd like to see some downfield strikes at some point, unlike with Shurmur. I have faith that the Amazon Kend-L can tear it up in the middle of the field with more time working with Sam, and if we have Blackmon or some one else on the outside to pair with Amendola or Salas in the slot, there should be someone open to make a play.

    You are totally imagining this whole scenerio. First of all, the Titans always had one of the best offensive lines in football under Jeff Fisher with Kevin Mawae and Michael Roos at Tackle. WE HAVE NO CENTER AND NOT NEED A TACKLE AND GUARD.....

    IF anything Fisher is more of an offensive line and running game guy with a mobile QB....since we are talking WCO -- compare the Rams to the Packers offense with Rodgers.

    The Packers West Coast Offensive Scheme didn't bloom until Clifton and Baluga were locked into the offensive line....

    All I know is we need to add 3 legit offensive linemen...somehow, anyhow....Free Agency, Draft, Trade., whatever.....

    AT LEAST 3 !!!!!!!!!! IF YOU WANT BLACKMON FINE !!!! JUST DON'T TRY TO SELL ME THAT THIS LINE IS GOOD, OR EVEN FAIR....

    GUARD, CENTER, AND TACKLE -- WE NEED ONE OF EACH !!!!!!!!!

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    Re: If Fisher is hired, it builds the case to draft Blackmon.

    Quote Originally Posted by richtree View Post
    You are totally imagining this whole scenerio. First of all, the Titans always had one of the best offensive lines in football under Jeff Fisher with Kevin Mawae and Michael Roos at Tackle. WE HAVE NO CENTER AND NOT NEED A TACKLE AND GUARD.....

    IF anything Fisher is more of an offensive line and running game guy with a mobile QB....since we are talking WCO -- compare the Rams to the Packers offense with Rodgers.

    The Packers West Coast Offensive Scheme didn't bloom until Clifton and Baluga were locked into the offensive line....

    All I know is we need to add 3 legit offensive linemen...somehow, anyhow....Free Agency, Draft, Trade., whatever.....

    AT LEAST 3 !!!!!!!!!! IF YOU WANT BLACKMON FINE !!!! JUST DON'T TRY TO SELL ME THAT THIS LINE IS GOOD, OR EVEN FAIR....

    GUARD, CENTER, AND TACKLE -- WE NEED ONE OF EACH !!!!!!!!!
    Alright lets draft some lineman, throw Gibson at wideout, and let their cornerbacks man handle him in single coverage. Safeties and LB's will have a hay day coming after the QB when they know our receivers cant beat single coverage. Much like this year.
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    Re: If Fisher is hired, it builds the case to draft Blackmon.

    Quote Originally Posted by FestusRam View Post
    Alright lets draft some lineman, throw Gibson at wideout, and let their cornerbacks man handle him in single coverage. Safeties and LB's will have a hay day coming after the QB when they know our receivers cant beat single coverage. Much like this year.
    AT least we will run the ball then....without the line we won't run pass or do anything else......

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    Re: If Fisher is hired, it builds the case to draft Blackmon.

    Quote Originally Posted by richtree View Post
    AT least we will run the ball then....without the line we won't run pass or do anything else......
    Jackson averaged 4.4 YPC, tied for the second highest single season mark in his career.

    Our lines run blocking wasnt that bad.

    Then you throw a receiver of Blackmons caliber out wide and the D cant stack 8 in the box all day like they do now.

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    Re: If Fisher is hired, it builds the case to draft Blackmon.

    Quote Originally Posted by FestusRam View Post
    Jackson averaged 4.4 YPC, tied for the second highest single season mark in his career.

    Our lines run blocking wasnt that bad.

    Then you throw a receiver of Blackmons caliber out wide and the D cant stack 8 in the box all day like they do now.
    How many of those yards were because teams' were playing prevent or cover 2 deep and the Rams were already down 10points or more.....


    UN BLOCKING PASS PROTECTION
    Team Adj. Line
    Yards
    RB
    Yards
    Power
    Success
    Power
    Rank
    Stuffed Stuffed
    Rank
    2nd Level
    Yards
    2nd Level
    Rank
    Open Field
    Yards
    Open Field
    Rank
    Team Rank Sacks Adjusted
    Sack Rate
    1 NO 4.95 5.02 65% 11 15% 1 1.50 1 0.91 13 BUF 1 23 3.8%
    2 NE 4.53 4.17 62% 17 17% 7 1.22 14 0.45 30 TEN 2 24 4.2%
    3 PIT 4.43 4.48 57% 24 20% 23 1.32 6 0.82 16 NO 3 24 4.4%
    4 HOU 4.36 4.65 64% 14 18% 12 1.43 4 0.92 11 CIN 4 25 4.5%
    5 CAR 4.32 5.30 71% 4 17% 6 1.39 5 1.41 1 OAK 5 25 5.0%
    6 BAL 4.25 4.47 63% 15 18% 11 1.05 30 1.06 5 NYG 6 28 5.1%
    7 NYJ 4.23 3.87 66% 9 16% 4 1.06 28 0.32 32 ATL 7 26 5.1%
    8 SD 4.23 4.44 69% 5 16% 5 1.23 12 0.86 15 NE 8 32 5.4%
    9 DAL 4.22 4.61 57% 23 19% 16 1.31 8 0.97 9 SD 9 31 5.6%
    10 WAS 4.21 4.19 62% 18 20% 19 1.19 15 0.67 25 DET 10 36 5.9%
    11 DEN 4.19 4.67 56% 26 17% 9 1.31 7 0.94 10 PHI 11 32 5.9%
    12 BUF 4.19 5.08 67% 7 18% 14 1.27 9 1.31 2 BAL 12 33 5.9%
    13 JAC 4.14 4.28 64% 12 17% 8 1.19 16 0.76 20 DAL 13 39 6.1%
    14 OAK 4.13 4.52 67% 8 16% 3 1.12 24 1.05 7 TB 14 32 6.2%
    15 ARI 4.07 4.12 63% 16 20% 18 1.07 27 0.74 21 WAS 15 40 6.4%
    16 GB 4.06 4.08 61% 21 21% 24 1.16 18 0.63 26 CLE 16 39 6.4%
    RUN BLOCKING PASS PROTECTION
    Team Adj. Line
    Yards
    RB
    Yards
    Power
    Success
    Power
    Rank
    Stuffed Stuffed
    Rank
    2nd Level
    Yards
    2nd Level
    Rank
    Open Field
    Yards
    Open Field
    Rank
    Team Rank Sacks Adjusted
    Sack Rate
    17 MIA 4.05 4.28 46% 32 18% 13 1.14 19 0.82 17 NYJ 17 40 6.7%
    18 MIN 4.05 4.72 73% 1 23% 28 1.43 3 1.15 3 IND 18 35 6.9%
    19 SEA 4.01 4.12 73% 2 18% 10 1.11 26 0.72 24 KC 19 34 7.1%
    20 CIN 3.99 3.81 56% 25 22% 27 1.12 23 0.51 28 PIT 20 42 7.2%
    21 SF 3.96 4.17 51% 29 20% 22 1.12 22 0.92 12 CAR 21 35 7.2%
    22 TB 3.96 4.32 65% 10 21% 26 1.23 13 0.79 19 HOU 22 33 7.3%
    23 CLE 3.94 3.60 64% 13 16% 2 0.85 32 0.41 31 GB 23 41 7.4%
    24 CHI 3.92 4.39 61% 20 24% 30 1.25 11 1.03 8 SEA 24 48 8.1%
    25 IND 3.91 4.12 50% 30 20% 17 1.13 20 0.72 23 SF 25 44 8.4%
    26 PHI 3.89 4.54 67% 6 25% 32 1.43 2 1.10 4 JAC 26 44 8.9%
    27 ATL 3.84 4.23 59% 22 25% 31 1.17 17 1.05 6 ARI 27 54 9.1%
    28 NYG 3.81 3.77 53% 27 19% 15 1.05 29 0.49 29 STL 28 55 9.1%
    29 KC 3.81 3.89 62% 19 20% 21 1.11 25 0.55 27 DEN 29 41 9.2%
    30 STL 3.75 4.22 48% 31 20% 20 1.25 10 0.72 22 MIA 30 52 9.6%
    31 DET 3.70 4.22 52% 28 21% 25 1.13 21 0.89 14 CHI 31 49 9.8%
    32 TEN 3.39 3.78 72% 3 24% 29 1.03 31 0.81 18 MIN 32 49 9.8%
    x NFL x 4.31 62% x 19% x 1.08 x 0.74 x NFL x 37 6.7


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    Re: If Fisher is hired, it builds the case to draft Blackmon.

    Quote Originally Posted by richtree View Post
    You are totally imagining this whole scenerio. First of all, the Titans always had one of the best offensive lines in football under Jeff Fisher with Kevin Mawae and Michael Roos at Tackle. WE HAVE NO CENTER AND NOT NEED A TACKLE AND GUARD.....

    IF anything Fisher is more of an offensive line and running game guy with a mobile QB....since we are talking WCO -- compare the Rams to the Packers offense with Rodgers.

    The Packers West Coast Offensive Scheme didn't bloom until Clifton and Baluga were locked into the offensive line....

    All I know is we need to add 3 legit offensive linemen...somehow, anyhow....Free Agency, Draft, Trade., whatever.....

    AT LEAST 3 !!!!!!!!!! IF YOU WANT BLACKMON FINE !!!! JUST DON'T TRY TO SELL ME THAT THIS LINE IS GOOD, OR EVEN FAIR....

    GUARD, CENTER, AND TACKLE -- WE NEED ONE OF EACH !!!!!!!!!
    I never said we didn't need to upgrade our line nor quantified it as being good, or even fair. Further, I presented a calm and collected argument and didn't resort into a shouting match.

    What I said was that a line that had many of the same starters, Saffold, Bell, Brown and Smith, were able to keep Sam much more upright and were able to move the ball(running and passing) in a horizontal passing game that involved a lot of three step drops. We ran into brick walls in the red zone, much like this year, because I don't think Sam is comfortable throwing fades to our current players(or maybe at all) and the defenders had much smaller zones to cover.

    In our offense under Shurmur, Brown actually called out the blocking schemes and was successful. I don't know what went wrong this year, but I actually think we need to try giving him back that responsibility at center and see if he can rebound. Saffold had a real bad year. It happens, and we should evaluate how he does in absorbing whatever our next offense is. Maybe he is not cut out for the Patriot blocking schemes. Smith got hurt in the first game; this year was a wash for him.

    The one place we do need to address is left guard. Bell can come back under a backup salary, but we need to try to get a new starter there.

    As for depth, that's what killed us this year. I agree that we need a quality backup at each of those positions(Wragge can fill the center spot, probably), but we don't need to spend our first three picks on offensive linemen. We need to get playmakers, like an early 1st round WR because in the early part of the year, the line was holding on enough to let Sam put the ball in our receivers' hands, chests, and helmets, but they dropped everything in sight. Unless you plan on drafting a lineman with a 40" vertical and golden hands, they aren't going to help that.
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    Re: If Fisher is hired, it builds the case to draft Blackmon.

    Quote Originally Posted by richtree View Post
    How many of those yards were because teams' were playing prevent or cover 2 deep and the Rams were already down 10points or more.....
    So your implying that he basically is getting garbage yards?

    From what I remember, defenses hardly ever played conservatively against the Rams because they didnt have to.

    I honestly dont think many of his yards came against prevent defenses. He fought hard for his yards and made the most out of every hole he was given.

    To prove this, check out his best games of the year. Games 6,7,8. We won two of those games and lost the other in OT. Why are these teams running prevent defenses when theyre down our its a close game? Oh wait, they aren't
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    Re: If Fisher is hired, it builds the case to draft Blackmon.

    I'd seen enough of situations where both the run and pass blocking game just went straight to shambles when it counted. I absolutely believe that a lot of that was due to play calling, but no way does the offensive line get a pass.

    SJ and the O line definitely had some good games, but SJ is SJ and sometimes he still has it in him to create a play where there shouldn't be one. Is it crazy that I salivate at the idea of seeing what he could do with the Broncos?

    Sorry for the digression, as a fan my vote goes to Matt Kalil easily. But I'm no NFL scout and I hope they don't listen to me but rather draft based on their own expertise.

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    Re: If Fisher is hired, it builds the case to draft Blackmon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrajag View Post
    I'd seen enough of situations where both the run and pass blocking game just went straight to shambles when it counted. I absolutely believe that a lot of that was due to play calling, but no way does the offensive line get a pass.

    SJ and the O line definitely had some good games, but SJ is SJ and sometimes he still has it in him to create a play where there shouldn't be one. Is it crazy that I salivate at the idea of seeing what he could do with the Broncos?

    Sorry for the digression, as a fan my vote goes to Matt Kalil easily. But I'm no NFL scout and I hope they don't listen to me but rather draft based on their own expertise.
    Cant disagree with taking Kalil, I'm just leaning oward Blackmon.

    Im ready for a playmaker to spark the dull offense we've been sportings for awhile now.
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    Re: If Fisher is hired, it builds the case to draft Blackmon.

    To say someone is playing safe against the Rams is absolutely laughable... People having been stacking 8 and 9 man boxes against SJAX like they have been for the past 5 years....

    Every yard the man earns is a damn hard earned yard.

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    Re: If Fisher is hired, it builds the case to draft Blackmon.

    Let me ask this question, how many rushing TD did SJ have this year? The answer is 5.. last year he had 6... behind this O line he can't score points. This team is terrible in the redzone getting yards in the middle of the field is one thing but can we score on the ground? As someone else mentioned what would SJ do behind the Broncos line one can only wonder, Tebow has 8 this year almost double what SJ had.

    Arian Foster 16
    Michael Turner 13
    Adrian Peterson 12

    You would think SJ would double his output, he is a beast right?

    I can't for the life of me understand how anyone thinks this line is going to be good enough next year without upgrades..

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