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    Re: Incognito questions

    This guy has two things that many times don't come in one package - he plays with a passion and mean streak - and his Combine numbers were OUTSTANDING. If memory serves, he was the fastest OL timed from the combine. He exceled in all aspects at the combine and teams/scouts became enthralled with him.. He got injured during drills at the combine and then the Team doctors brought down his final draft position.

    I think the Rams screwed up here.. With this guys talent and potential AND our great need on the O-LINE, they could have gave less to late picks here and there and left more money for Incognito.. We NEED O-LINE Help yesterday and we are old up front in the middle of that line. The should have prioritized and got Incognito signed.

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    With the need at oline and good lineman are hard to find they better find some way to sign this guy ......Hell give him the money !....They can get a contract done that makes both sides happy!

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    Re: Incognito questions

    One analysis of Incognito:

    Has a thick, barrel-chested frame with good upper-body muscle tone, wide waist and hips, good bubble and thick legs Versatile, with the ability to play center, guard or tackle. Can also handle deep-snapping chores Shows quickness coming out of his stance, clearing defenders off the ball with his leg drive, hand jolt and explosion Has an aggressive nature, stepping intently into his blocks Has a strong hand punch and clamps on tightly to ride the defender wide Physical drive blocker who simply runs over people, coming off the snap hard to gain advantage on running plays Effective trap blocker with ease-of-movement agility adjusting in space Works his hips well to position and force the chase route, doing a good job of staying on his feet to finish Can anchor down with force in pass protection and extends his arms properly to contain the bull rush Hard worker in the weight room Known for his ability to get inside the frame of a defender to rock him back with a jarring hand punch Mirrors double moves well, due to his fluid lateral agility Chips and lands in a zone and is aggressive looking for linebackers to neutralize when working into the second level Moves his feet with good knee bends and balance, showing the hip snap to change direction and redirect.

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    The guy ran the 40 in 4.8 at 307 pounds !!!!
    He stole the show at the combine.

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    Expect interest in this guy, this, from before the draft:

    A combination of those players is expected to visit Halas Hall next week. NFL rules allow teams to bring in 20 players for private visits. The first player the Bears brought in was former Nebraska offensive lineman Richie Incognito, who was at Halas Hall on Friday. Incognito is one of the most intriguing prospects in the draft because he has first-round talent, but character concerns likely will push him to the second round.

    Incognito set a school record for pancake blocks as a freshman left tackle and played the same position as a sophomore. He was scheduled to move to center last season before being kicked off the team by coach Bill Callahan in connection with a misdemeanor assault charge. Incognito attempted to transfer to Oregon but failed to meet requirements put in place by coach Mike Bellotti that he take an anger-management course.

    A remarkable workout at the scouting combine in Indianapolis solidified Incognito's status as perhaps the top lineman in the draft based strictly on talent. He suffered a knee injury while doing a mirror drill at the end of his workout and will be back in Indianapolis this weekend for the combine re-check, where injured players are brought back to see how they have progressed. The Bears were the first of 12 visits Incognito has scheduled.

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    Re: Incognito questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Soprano
    I think the Rams screwed up here.. With this guys talent and potential AND our great need on the O-LINE, they could have gave less to late picks here and there and left more money for Incognito..
    Talk about a perfect example of hindsight. The Rams looked fine on the O-line after the draft and through camp. They had Nutten, Terrell, McCollum, Turner, Timmerman, Saipaia, Alford. Incognito has been injured and wouldn't be able to contribute any time soon. To offer him more money at the expense of the real question mark - the DBs, for instance - would have been met at that time with a lot of dissent. Even if we had signed Incognito earlier, he wouldn't be able to get on the field any time soon. It'll be a shame if he goes back into the draft, but that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes when a player refuses to accept what remaining pool space a team has, especially if it is in fact comparible to players selected around him.
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    Re: Incognito questions

    I hope Incognito denies the money and re-enters the draft. Maybe the Rams can pick him up in the seventh round and give him an even smaller contract.
    Quote Originally Posted by goose9857
    Only the rams would draft a guy that didn't play his last year. And not only draft him but pick him in the third round.
    Just like Anthony Hargrove, who is starting in only his second season in the NFL. If Incognito signs [or gets re-drafted at a lower spot, hehe] and comes to camp next year still in shape, he'll follow suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickSeiler
    Talk about a perfect example of hindsight. The Rams looked fine on the O-line after the draft and through camp. They had Nutten, Terrell, McCollum, Turner, Timmerman, Saipaia, Alford. Incognito has been injured and wouldn't be able to contribute any time soon.
    I disagree, Nutten, McCollum, and Timmerman are older than the hills and predictably have problems moving anyone off the ball. They lack in power.

    It doesn't take hindsight to assess the Rams with O-Line problems.

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    Re: Incognito questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Soprano
    It doesn't take hindsight to assess the Rams with O-Line problems.
    But it does take hindsight to blame the Rams because they didn't take money away from other players to insure that Incognito gets signed.

    That's entirely unfair, IMO, especially since (1) Incognito as of mid-August wasn't even ready to see a practice field, let alone contribute on our line on Sundays, so any immediate great need the Rams have on their O-line isn't going to be filled by Richie any time soon, and (2) they have/had a number of guys already slotted in those spots, and through the summer, many felt their line was much improved.
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    Hold on here...If the boy blows his knee out in a drill, then how is going to fair over 16 games vs. real opponents????

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    It's the pattern...

    I see it as a mistake on the Rams' part, too. There were three huge problem areas going into the season: LB, OL, DB. The Rams IMHO made great moves to address each area. But then they got complacent and short-sighted. Yeah, the line was looking good at the time, so they got the attitude of "why bother?" in getting Incognito done. It's like they forgot to always assume #@$! happens. Guys get hurt. Guys (Barron) hold out. All of the sudden we could really use another guy but he's not there.

    Same with DB. We brought in a million guys to see who would shake out, the plan worked great, it looked like several guys had stepped up. But what happens? One of the best performers in camp misses curfew due to what appears to be an honest mistake, and Martz -- thinking we have plenty of DBs now -- up and cuts him (of course, if you step out of bounds at the one, fumble, miss an easy INT, or anything like that, Martz won't cut you). Soon after our best CB is out for the year and the guy we could use is not there.

    Same with LB. We brought in two FAs, great move again. So what happened? We traded away a former 1st-round pick who could have provided great depth at LB when -- and, yes, you always assume when, not if -- one of the starters gets hurt. I'll put money down a few weeks from now, if not sooner, it will be the same pattern: we will really need a guy at LB and he won't be there.

    So I don't really see this as criticism in hindsight, it's criticism of the Rams' lack of foresight that has undone lots of what they did to improve.

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    Re: Incognito questions

    Well everyone, I do understand the frustration when the Rams O line just isn't getting the job done for whatever reason. I do. However, I also understand that the cap makes this whole game go now. Actually, the MVP of any winning team should always be the team president. Juggling the salary cap in this day and age of the NFL is the most important position on any team. More important than the QB even.

    The salaries for top notch O lineman has skyrocketed. The Rams couldn't afford any of the top notch O lineman so sometimes you have to settle with what you can afford.

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    Re: Incognito questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadesofgrey
    Hold on here...If the boy blows his knee out in a drill, then how is going to fair over 16 games vs. real opponents????
    please tell me you arent serious.

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    Re: It's the pattern...

    Quote Originally Posted by AJD45
    Yeah, the line was looking good at the time, so they got the attitude of "why bother?" in getting Incognito done.
    I'd love to see you show how the Rams displayed this attitude. This looks like a baseless assumption about the situation, rather than any kind of supported statement.

    From a recent Jim Thomas article:

    "Richie Incognito wants to be part of the St. Louis Rams," Incognito's agent, Jack Scharf, said Sunday. "He wants to have an opportunity to contribute to the St. Louis Rams in the 2005 season. The Rams need to come to the table with an offer that is commensurate to where Richie Incognito was drafted."

    It is believed that about $100,000 separates the sides. The Rams say they have offered Incognito the remaining money in their rookie cap, and that they have offered him guaranteed money commensurate with picks taken around him.
    Maybe Richie should give Maurice Clarett a call to see what happens to players who, despite having shown talent in the past, have sat out from playing recently and show obvious character concerns.
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    I see where you are coming from... and somewhat agree.

    However, if we don't infuse that OL with youth, talent, and vigor,,, we are going to waste and then eventually lose Jackson, Holt, and Bulger. Poor Stephen Jackson.

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    Re: Incognito questions

    Could there be some method to the apparent madness here?

    Think of it this way. I the Rams sign Incognito now, they'll have to either put him on the roster (despite the fact that he can't contribute yet), or on a PUP or IR list.

    By doing nothing, they don't have to worry about these issues and they also put Incognito in a position in which he really has to go all out to rehab his knee (given that, as far as he knows, he might need to showcase his abilities for next year's draft).

    The Rams could simply be waiting him out with the thought that if Incognito gets in shape in the next couple of months, they can sign him then and actually place him on the roster.

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