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    Re: It's the pattern...

    Quote Originally Posted by NickSeiler
    I'd love to see you show how the Rams displayed this attitude. This looks like a baseless assumption about the situation, rather than any kind of supported statement.
    Don't worry, I'll always include a disclaimer when I make a "baseless assumption"...

    Since you asked, let's start with what you left out from that same article: "There has been little in the way of talks or communication between both parties over the past few weeks."

    If you want to read this as "they've done everything they can do, it's impossible to do anything else so they aren't communicating", that's your prerogative.

    I see it as a choice not to pursue it on the Rams side. If they are truly less than $100K apart and really wanted the guy, they'd get it done. They'd lobby the guy. They'd do that last little tweaking to show the guy he's wanted. But after the Detroit preseason tuneup they were on cloud 9 about their OL's "Reunion Tour", so they had no real urgency about the OL any more (you can look up the relevant Jim Thomas article on 9/1/05). So they gave Incognito the "we're fine without you so take it or leave it" approach.

    Not to say he would be the savior or anything, it's just with the OL being such a problem last season and with such a small margin of error having such a huge effect, I think the Rams should be tripping over themselves to do everything possible to fix it this year. Maybe it's an unfair criticism since the salary cap prevents everything from being solved, but when you add up how they've undone much of the fixes they made over the offseason, it gets frustrating.


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    Re: Incognito questions

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Soprano
    However, if we don't infuse that OL with youth, talent, and vigor,,, we are going to waste and then eventually lose Jackson, Holt, and Bulger. Poor Stephen Jackson.
    I agree with this.


    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam
    The Rams could simply be waiting him out with the thought that if Incognito gets in shape in the next couple of months, they can sign him then and actually place him on the roster.
    Good point.

    Quote Originally Posted by AJD45
    If you want to read this as "they've done everything they can do, it's impossible to do anything else so they aren't communicating", that's your prerogative.
    I'm reading it in the context of the rest of the article - the Rams, according to them, have offered him the remaining money in the rookie pool as well as guaranteed money commensurate to those drafted around him. Incognito and his agent don't think that's enough, so talks have stalled.

    If what the Rams say is true, then it's Incognito's side that needs to come to the table and take the offer. You say they need to get it done, then later concede the cap can restrict them from solving everything. Which is it? Because you can't blame the team for not being able to get an agreement made when you know the restrictions are standing in the way.
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    Re: Incognito questions

    The Rams drafted him third they should have expected to pay him 3rd money or not draft him. Sounds like its the Rams that need to come to the table and get it done.

    STL - Rookie 3rd Round Pick, OL Richie Incognito May Sit Out Season
    Clipped from: Post-Dispatch article by Jim Thomas
    Third-round draft pick Richie Incognito still hasn't signed a contract with the Rams and it may result in him missing the entire 2005 campaign. Incognito still is recovering from offseason kneecap surgery, and at minimum remains several weeks away from being able to practice. The priority for the Rams was signing their healthy draft picks. But with all the other 2005 draft picks signed and practicing, Incognito remains in a contract stalemate with the Rams. In fact, things have reached the point that Incognito's agent said his client might never show up.
    "I would say it's a viable option for him to sit out the season and re-enter the draft in 2006," the agent, Jack Scharf, said. Incognito was chosen in the middle of the third round, but according to Scharf, the Rams are offering fourth-round money. "I'm not bashing the Rams. All I've wanted to do this whole time is get Richie a contract that's commensurate with his draft position."
    The current market value for a player selected in Incognito's draft position is a signing bonus of around $525,000. Scharf wouldn't reveal the exact amount of signing bonus that the Rams are offering, but it's believed to be at least $100,000 lower than $525,000.
    Two factors are working against Incognito: For one, after signing all their other draft picks, the Rams don't have enough money in their rookie cap to pay Incognito market value.
    For another, the Rams don't know for sure when Incognito will be able to play because of the injury.
    "We didn't ask the Rams to draft him," Scharf said. "There were plenty of other teams calling the morning of the draft that were interested in drafting Richie Incognito. My whole argument is you knew what you were getting. You knew he was hurt. ... He did nothing to prompt this. He didn't hurt himself jumping out of an airplane. He didn't hurt himself riding a motorcycle. He's been working out and rehabbing eight hours a day, six days a week. Richie wants to be there. This isn't a holdout situation."
    Incognito has been running and lifting at the Athletes Performance Institute in the Phoenix area. But Incognito could be doing that work in St. Louis if he were under contract, and could also be attending meetings and getting "mental reps" watching practice at Rams Park.
    Even with the Rams unable to give Incognito a "market deal" because of their rookie cap limitations, Scharf would like to make up the difference at the back end of the contract. Incentives, escalators or void-able years could be used to help Incognito recoup that money later in his contract.
    "If you don't have it now, let the kid come in and earn it," Scharf said.
    The trouble is, the Rams don't like to include such features (incentives, escalators, etc.) in their contracts, especially if it's a draft pick chosen later than the first round. In fact, it's believed they have never included such features in a contract for a player selected after the first round. All indications are that they don't intend to change that policy with Incognito.

    "The fact is, this is different," Scharf said.
    Three weeks into training camp, the Rams don't share that opinion.
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    This is a situation in which both sides are correct. The Rams are right to express concern in regards to Richie Incognito's health and personal issues and certainly it makes sense for them to include those worries into the proposed contract. Especially so when they don't have the money to offer him 3rd round money. However Incognito's side is also correct when they say if the team is going to lowball him at the front end of the contract, he should have some incentives that he can achieve to earn that money back. The Rams may not like using incentive based contracts but that may be their only option if they want to keep Incognito on as a member of the team beyond this season. This is a fascinating contract battle and it will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.
    Nebraska Notes:
    Tackle Richie Incognito, Soph. - After turning in a fantastic freshman season, Incognito was moved over to center. After the emergence of Josh Sewell in the middle, Incognito returned to his spot at left tackle where he'll be one of the best in the Big XII. He's big, punishing and can move.

    Center Richie Incognito, Jr. - The one player on the line whose job is safe, the one-time tackle, full-time center is the leader of the line and an All-Big XII performer in the middle. He's a tremendously athletic center and a punishing run blocker. He's probably more suited for tackle at the next level even though he's an All-America candidate at center.
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    Re: Incognito questions

    Well, if that's the case, both sides need to be more reasonable. Neither can just draw their line in the stand and say they're not crossing.
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