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    Re: Interesting conversation over at the Hawks board

    Quote Originally Posted by r8rh8rmike View Post
    Yep, I've heard plenty of NFL fans say they don't think Bradford is any good. The majority in the media seem to feel the same way, as do many Rams fans. Without a doubt, the consensus of most who discuss NFL football think Bradford is a complete bust.

    I must be delusional, because as a lifelong Rams fan, all I want is to win, and I see Bradford with the ability to make that happen.
    I sense this board has many who feel that way Mike. But it would appear we are in the minority. I hope this year, that changes.


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    Re: Interesting conversation over at the Hawks board

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    . Without a doubt, the consensus of most who discuss NFL football think Bradford is a complete bust.
    I don't agree with that. I think the general concensus is that he has not lived up to his status as the first overall pick, and that he needs to prove himself. But a "bust"... not yet, at least.

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    Re: Interesting conversation over at the Hawks board

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    I don't agree with that. I think the general concensus is that he has not lived up to his status as the first overall pick, and that he needs to prove himself. But a "bust"... not yet, at least.
    That's not the impression I get. My sense is that most who discuss football don't think Bradford can get the job done. Almost without exception, that's all I ever hear.

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    Re: Interesting conversation over at the Hawks board

    Quote Originally Posted by r8rh8rmike View Post
    That's not the impression I get. My sense is that most who discuss football don't think Bradford can get the job done. Almost without exception, that's all I ever hear.
    That is what I hear daily at my biz. Bust. Overpaid. Drain on the team. but very unscientific of course. But they think our D is formidable.

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    Re: Interesting conversation over at the Hawks board

    You're not delusional. Lots of Cowboy fans think Romo is the problem as well.

    If you throw out the Spag years, (justifiable imo - more later), Sam Bradford has 1, (ONE, UNO, EIN, UN), player that was on the offense, (there's only 5 others on the whole team) when Fisher took over, and that was Roger Saffold. You can't make this stuff up. And BTW, had a new system to learn. I know - this is nothing new, but people keep forgetting this, and I need to keep reminding them.

    SB is not the/an issue. Period. If anything, he deserves a medal. Not one word (hint) of (a) complaint about the dumpster fire he inherited, and was (by some) expected to lead to the playoffs. In fact, in a few years, Kroenke, Snead, Fisher and Demoff are going to held up as examples of how an NFL Franchise should be run.

    That said, it's hard to blame the general fan for being relatively ignorant about the Rams' situation - I keep up on our NFC West foes, but am not super conversant about the rest of the NFL - but I CAN (and will) go off a bit when someone on this or other Rams' boards, who should know better, keep singing the same tired old song.
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    Re: Interesting conversation over at the Hawks board

    Quote Originally Posted by macrammer View Post
    That is what I hear daily at my biz. Bust. Overpaid. Drain on the team. but very unscientific of course. But they think our D is formidable.
    I hear/read the same things mac.

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    You're not delusional.
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    Re: Interesting conversation over at the Hawks board

    Quote Originally Posted by VegasRam View Post
    You're not delusional. Lots of Cowboy fans think Romo is the problem as well.

    If you throw out the Spag years, (justifiable imo - more later), Sam Bradford has 1, (ONE, UNO, EIN, UN), player that was on the offense, (there's only 5 others on the whole team) when Fisher took over, and that was Roger Saffold. You can't make this stuff up. And BTW, had a new system to learn. I know - this is nothing new, but people keep forgetting this, and I need to keep reminding them.

    SB is not the/an issue. Period. If anything, he deserves a medal. Not one word (hint) of (a) complaint about the dumpster fire he inherited, and was (by some) expected to lead to the playoffs. In fact, in a few years, Kroenke, Snead, Fisher and Demoff are going to held up as examples of how an NFL Franchise should be run.

    That said, it's hard to blame the general fan for being relatively ignorant about the Rams' situation - I keep up on our NFC West foes, but am not super conversant about the rest of the NFL - but I CAN (and will) go off a bit when someone on this or other Rams' boards, who should know better, keep singing the same tired old song.
    I will use this fodder in my daily football discussions. Of course, most of the fans I am dealing with are Whiner and raider fans. usually means I need to speak slowly and refrain FROM using big words.
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    Re: Interesting conversation over at the Hawks board

    I would much rather have richard sherman, or even earl thomas.

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    Re: Interesting conversation over at the Hawks board

    The Rams would be a lot better with Russel Wilson in this way.

    We would've had the cap space to sign FS Jairus Byrd to pair with McDonald and likely center Alex Mack, though the Browns would've been in position to match any offer made to him.

    But my point is, the huge difference in their salaries would've allowed us the cap flexability to sign whomever we wanted in Free Agency.
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    Re: Interesting conversation over at the Hawks board

    I wanted to laugh when I read the post...the only thing holding back Bradford is the coaching staff. Seriously--the Squawks try and acquire top talented WRs--the Rams don't--the Squawks are run first, and pass second. Their game planning works on the premise if it can't be done on the ground for a first down, then the talent at receivers can pick it up. Its all about attrition and wearing down a defense. Lastly its about field position and make plays--just 1 to 2 forced turn overs can change the course of a game.

    At some levels the Rams mirror the 49whinners and Squawks...run and run often, keep down and distance as short as possible, and shut down offenses with an overwhelming defense can be said of all three of the NFC West teams. However the Squawks/49whinners want a "big play option" for a deep thrown ball. Where as to this point on paper the Rams are ahead on the defensive front, they lag on the deep threat.

    Put R. Wilson behind a Rams center, he will have the same problems Bradford does. It would only be interesting to see how Bradford does on the Squawks team after getting use to the other players there

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    Re: Interesting conversation over at the Hawks board

    I think Bradford is average at best. There are many throws I have seen go before or after the receiver and other plays where I just shake my head and say "what was that?". He is a good guy, but I think he is missing "it". He is BulgerII for the most part and I would have entertained Johnny Football just to get a spark at the QB position. He gets 8 games in my book to complete his 3 year audition, but I'm thinking its time to go shopping for a QB again this year...
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    Re: Interesting conversation over at the Hawks board

    Quote Originally Posted by Fortuninerhater View Post
    The Rams would be a lot better with Russel Wilson in this way.

    We would've had the cap space to sign FS Jairus Byrd to pair with McDonald and likely center Alex Mack, though the Browns would've been in position to mach any offer made to him.

    But my point is, the huge difference in their salaries would've allowed us the cap flexability to sign whomever we wanted in Free Agency.
    Can't argue with that. Lets see what happens to his team when the flexibility for them is gone. They already made a huge commitment to two players this year next year he will eat up a lot of cap. They already lost depth this year next they will lose even more and be unable to sign guys like Percy Harvin.

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    Re: Interesting conversation over at the Hawks board

    Quote Originally Posted by r8rh8rmike View Post
    Bradford has had some good games against Seattle, but he's had more bad. With a 2-4 record against them, and 4 TD's vs. 6 INT's, I can see why Seahawks fans think he's the gift that keeps on giving.

    That said, to simply focus on the games against Seattle, and discount what he had to work with in 2010-2012, is short sighted. With a monster defense, an improved offense, and a healthy Bradford, I have a feeling things will be different in 2014.
    Apologies, I meant to say I can't see why, when as I pointed out, he has always done comparatively well when they have had chance to see him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r8rh8rmike View Post

    That's not the impression I get. My sense is that most who discuss football don't think Bradford can get the job done. Almost without exception, that's all I ever hear.
    Guess we're reading different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoonJoe View Post
    I think Bradford is average at best. There are many throws I have seen go before or after the receiver and other plays where I just shake my head and say "what was that?". He is a good guy, but I think he is missing "it". He is BulgerII for the most part and I would have entertained Johnny Football just to get a spark at the QB position. He gets 8 games in my book to complete his 3 year audition, but I'm thinking its time to go shopping for a QB again this year...
    I could not disagree with you more.

    Manziel? Ugh. Overhyped future bust.

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