If that performance Saturday night doesn't get Jackson to call his agent and tell him he's reporting to camp nothing will. Why was there a holdout when they were already negotiating ? He's under contract, was fired by his agent, picks up a new one then decides to draw his own line in the sand. I guess 7 mil a year, plus a 18 mil signing bonus was not enough to convince Jackson that he needed to stay at the table and pound the thing out. Does he want to be the highest paid player in the league ? Some conversation had to take place for Ziggy to call it off until he reports. Hmmm ...........
Maine - A Ram fan since 1976, through thick and thin, win or lose, but never been to Cali !!
I ask this question: If Steven Jackson ended his hold out tomorrow, would you be convinced that the Rams would definitely WIN more games this season?
Master Yoda, to me, the answer is clearly yes. Despite my concerns regarding jacksons physical condition and injury risk associated with missing this much camp, i think without him we will win 4 games at the most. We have no running game of any kind without him and our o line is already suspect. Without a running game throwing is going to be a lot tougher, especially with a suspect o line. Defensively, who knows what we have. Our schedule is brutal.
No way to tell what happens this year, but without jackson, i dont think we have any chance in hell at winning 7 games.
ramming speed to all
It's all opinion at this point, and I would say he still has enough time to get up to speed and be ready for the season opener. If I had to guess, I think as long as he shows up sometime during the week before the third preseason game, he should probably be able to get up to speed in time for the opener. But what do I really know about it? What do any of us know?
Maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't mean I'm kidding myself - it's just my opinion.
I have been a Rams fan for over 40 years and have never lived in CA. I understand that the good folks in CA were given a raw deal for several years before finally losing the Rams.
On a Personal note, I have had it with this internal fighting amongst what is supposed to be a Clan of Rams fans. I'm sick of all the accusations, by others, of not being a true Rams fan for some petty reason or opinion that one has. So and so said this about the Rams or so and so thinks that about the Rams. So and so is not a True Rams fan. Bunch of crap. Makes us all sound like whiners.
My point about kidding ourselves was that our season is in serious jeopardy based on the holdout. I agree that you can debate what the "last minute" report date is for him to be in camp and still be full speed come season opening, but i dont see how anyone can contend that our season isnt in serious jeopardy right now because there is no evidence that he is close to reporting anytime soon and we are very heavily dependent on a full strength jackson for any real chance we have at success this season. I think if this goes on another two weeks our season will be well beyond serious jeopardy, i think we will be a very longshot to be competitive (and boy do i hope i am wrong). In short, i dont see the rams blinking on this. They will pay more, but not before he reports.
It would certainly be interesting to look at the historical performance of running backs that held out this long.
As to why hester got signed, maybe its because hester was more willing to compromise than jackson? Each situation is different. The fact that they have the same agent is only one factor. Maybe Hester didnt have a sister whispering in his ear that he should stay out of camp.
ramming speed to all
I'm not picking on the Cali fans. A large portion of my post was even devoted to bragging on Cali fans. I'm picking on Cali fans that take out their disappointments on St. Louis.
Do you not realize we are making the same argument? That being that geography SHOULD NOT MATTER?
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So there's this list you've started for good CA fans, and invariably that lumps "other CA" fans into your self created stereotype. That's exactly the problem. I don't care to be on "your list" because the very existence of your list is what truly bothers me. And no, I disagree that there's a large contingent of CA fans that try to "stick it" to the fans in St. Louis. That's over-sensitized hype. I think you've been listening to the very few haters out there too much and have unfairly used their infantile posts as a way to lay blame in a generalized fashion onto all CA fans.
Rest assured, I understand the point you were making. And we share a dislike towards those who would put other fans down, but don't you realize your post merely exacerbates the problem by pointing out a select group of fans as the problem? My post was merely critical of the way you made your point and the unfair way it portrayed fans who happen to live elsewhere from you. that's all.
I have read your post quite throughly actually and it still bothers me that your post identifies by location who the short sighted fans are. Why do they have to be CA fans minus your exceptions as the ones doing the complaining? I do believe we have the same general idea as to the uselessness of fans who can't come to emotional grips with the 1995 move, but I completely disagree that the problem lies solely upon "CA fans" or "West Coast fans." To lump anyone in a stereotypical fashion is insensitive, and only acts to create animosity. I don't want to see something like that happen among Rams fans.
We very clearly differ in opinion regarding geography. I ignore it. You, on the other hand, have used it to identify and promulgate some sort of phantom rift within the fan base. I say we don't need to go there and that we should simply salute EVERY Rams fan.
I have to also agree that the Rams season is already in serious jeopardy without Jackson in camp, and in football shape. The Rams are not a strong enough team, nor are they a team deep in talent. Add to that, they have an incredibly difficult start to the schedule. I don't know if he can get himself into playing shape in a week's time, and we need him ready in week 1.
The way I see it. If the Rams have any hope of being competitive, they'll need to "steal" a few games against teams they probably shouldn't beat, which are mostly early in the season. To do that, they'll need someone to break off a long run, grind out a win on the ground, or something of that nature. I can see Jackson doing that, I can't see any of our backups doing the same. If the Rams fail to move the ball successfully on the ground, they'll be forced to throw too often. ...and we all know where that will take us. This team can be a .500 ballclub with Jackson at full strength, without him, I see us repeating last year's debacle. :disapointed: