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    Larry Marmie v Jim Haslett.

    Compare and contrast the defensive approaches of both Larry Marmie and Jiim Haslett. Using statistical references where appropriate, consider the stated position that "Larry Marmie much like Bobby April, was hampered by indifferent talent, dreadful drafts and organisational dysfunction".

    You may also wish to consider whether the much reviled 'evil' axis of Shawgmunt has proven to be the common denominator of complete failure in the face of coaching changes, franchise moves and periodic roster overhaul.


    Now there's a loaded question.


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    Re: Larry Marmie v Jim Haslett.

    Yep. I've been thinking the same thing. I'm too lazy to do it myself, but I'd think that looking at it statistically Haslett has actually been worse than Marmie. We wanted to believe Haslett was better, but it's time to face the truth, he's useless.

    Now as you were saying what's the common denominator for both these men's failure...Oh right it must be the uniform colors, that's it. Management and ownership is by definition above reproach.

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    Re: Larry Marmie v Jim Haslett.

    Quote Originally Posted by RamOfDenmark View Post
    Yep. I've been thinking the same thing. I'm too lazy to do it myself, but I'd think that looking at it statistically Haslett has actually been worse than Marmie. We wanted to believe Haslett was better, but it's time to face the truth, he's useless.

    Now as you were saying what's the common denominator for both these men's failure...Oh right it must be the uniform colors, that's it. Management and ownership is by definition above reproach.
    Our defensive rankings:

    Larry Marmie

    2004- 17th overall
    2004- 25th pts allowed (24.5 per game)
    2005- 30th overall
    2005- 31st pts allowed (26.8 per game)

    Jim Haslett

    2006- 23rd overall
    2006- 28th pts allowed (23.8 per game)
    2007- 21st overall
    2007- 31st pts allowed (27.4 per game)
    2008- 32nd overall (only 3 games)
    2008- 32nd pts allowed (38.7 per game)

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    Re: Larry Marmie v Jim Haslett.

    Quote Originally Posted by laram0 View Post
    Our defensive rankings:

    Larry Marmie

    2004- 17th overall
    2004- 25th pts allowed (24.5 per game)
    2005- 30th overall
    2005- 31st pts allowed (26.8 per game)

    Jim Haslett

    2006- 23rd overall
    2006- 28th pts allowed (23.8 per game)
    2007- 21st overall
    2007- 31st pts allowed (27.4 per game)
    2008- 32nd overall (only 3 games)
    2008- 32nd pts allowed (38.7 per game)

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    Haslett is a bum. No doubt about it

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    Re: Larry Marmie v Jim Haslett.

    If you look up haslett historically, he has produced some very very good defenses in his years with the saints. Why? Because he had better players. There is nothing wrong with haslett as a coach, except to the extent that he may or may not have been involved in talent selection and i dont know the answer to that one. At the end of the day, its about the talent level, and our talent level on defense has been well below average for years.

    Anyone who thinks that this defense would be competitive with even buddy ryan at the helm is spending too much time with the hookah pipe. This is nothing more than a repeat of the bellicheat thread last week.

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    Re: Larry Marmie v Jim Haslett.

    I have to agree with GC and it may be more of a talent pool issue. Can any one pinpoint exactly who has been making the choices at draft time each year?
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    Re: Larry Marmie v Jim Haslett.

    Okay, Haslett doesn't have a lot of talent to work with, did Marmie?? IMO, Haslett has been confused, dumbfounded, rattled and outcoached by the opposition almost since day one. Even being compared to Marmie and what he did is a very bad sign. I certainly won't shed any tears if/when this guy is shown the door.

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    Re: Larry Marmie v Jim Haslett.

    I agree completely Mike. I have no great love for haslett and i am not suggesting he has done a good job. He certainly has done almost nothing to get our young players to improve.

    My point is that this board was nearly unanimous in praise when the guy was hired. He is no different today than the day he was hired, with the exception of the fact that faced with inferior talent, he has proved that he is certainly not a great coach and more importantly, not a magician.

    If we dont get better players, it wont matter who the coordinator is, just like it didnt matter whether marmie was friends with martz or not, he didnt have the talent to be successful.

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    Re: Larry Marmie v Jim Haslett.

    I hear you GC, but in terms of comparing these two guys, I see little difference between the decisions made and the command of what they both had to work with. I thought Marmie needed to go and I feel the same way about Haslett.

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    Re: Larry Marmie v Jim Haslett.

    My memory isn't what it used to be, but I remember the Saints having mediocre to decent defenses- but even so- Haslett wasn't the coordinator there. His best days were in Pittsburgh, where they seem to be able to draft defensive players at will. He's been a disaster with the Rams. He's a poor man's Marmie...without the funny name!!!

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    Re: Larry Marmie v Jim Haslett.

    Quote Originally Posted by general counsel View Post

    My point is that this board was nearly unanimous in praise when the guy was hired. He is no different today than the day he was hired, with the exception of the fact that faced with inferior talent, he has proved that he is certainly not a great coach and more importantly, not a magician.


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    I will admit that I was one of the people that thought hiring Haslett was a great move. The difference is that I wanted the New Orleans Saints Haslett.
    The fiery in your face, kick butt, spit and swear guy. Instead we got the Jim Haslett the stands on the sidelines with his diaper on!!!

    I'm very disappointed.....

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    Re: Larry Marmie v Jim Haslett.

    Why, that would be the biggest dummies in the Rams Organization. Will the biggest dumbo please stand up?
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    I have to agree with GC and it may be more of a talent pool issue. Can any one pinpoint exactly who has been making the choices at draft time each year?
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    Re: Larry Marmie v Jim Haslett.

    Some people have completely missed the point of this thread.

    Its been in keeping with other things I've been saying on the same issue.

    The clue was in the reference to Bobby April.

    Perhaps the problem isn't the coach and never was?

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    Re: Larry Marmie v Jim Haslett.

    Quote Originally Posted by laram0 View Post
    Our defensive rankings:

    Larry Marmie

    2004- 17th overall
    2004- 25th pts allowed (24.5 per game)
    2005- 30th overall
    2005- 31st pts allowed (26.8 per game)

    Jim Haslett

    2006- 23rd overall
    2006- 28th pts allowed (23.8 per game)
    2007- 21st overall
    2007- 31st pts allowed (27.4 per game)
    2008- 32nd overall (only 3 games)
    2008- 32nd pts allowed (38.7 per game)

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    and we let Lovie Smith and Dick Vermeil go in favor of Mike Martz

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    Re: Larry Marmie v Jim Haslett.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fat Pang View Post
    Perhaps the problem isn't the coach and never was?
    Maybe not THE problem Pang, but definitely part of it. I shook my head at the things Marmie did on the field and I do the same, maybe more with Haslett.

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