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    Let's get this out of the way: Spags v. Line#&%

    I'll start with the obvious.

    I condemned Scott Line#&% early in his tenure with the Rams (perhaps unfairly, but ultimately rightly, so).

    I fully support Steve Spagnuolo.

    Why the difference?

    Well, it just does not come down to wins and losses.

    Line#&% took over a team that was a bit down, but still had a core of players (Bulger, Jackson, Bruce, Holt, Curtis, Pace, Little, etc.) who been to the playoffs. His job was to sustain the remaining pieces of the GSOT, refresh the roster, stabilize the organization, and return to the playoffs.

    When Spagnuolo took over, that core was gone (Bruce, Curtis), on the way out (Holt, Pace) or worn down by three injury-plagued seasons (Bulger, Little). The only true known commodity was Steven Jackson. Spags' job was to REBUILD.

    So... given the difference in the HCs' respective "missions," there should be no surprise that there have been different initial results.

    Line#&% failed accross the board. His inability to manage playcalling duties with HC duties hindered the effectiveness of the veteran offense. His player personnel decisions were poor. His style caused division, rather than unity. And, of course, the team suffered on the field.

    Spagnuolo's success or failure simply can't be evaluated at this point. Anyone who thought that the Rams could remove the (arguably over-priced and under-performing) base of veterans, elevate a bunch of players with 0-3 years experience, and start winning immediately (and I include myself in this category) was kidding him or herself.

    This is not a new scenario. Teams often, following a successful run, have to bottom out entirely before returning to success. Look at the Cowboys during the transition from Tom Landry to Jimmy Johnson. First you have to break ties with the past (regardless of the short-term consequences), then you have to make good personnel decisions, and then... and only then, can a new era begin.

    The error of the Line#&% regime is that it wrongly tried to sustain an era that, in reality, was already gone.

    This is the first year in which the Rams organization has truly accepted that the GSOT years are over, and that a new chapter needs to written.

    I'm still banking on Spagnuolo being the man to help write the next story.
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    Re: Let's get this out of the way: Spags v. Line#&%

    I like what spags is doing, but we have to be patient, I to was expecting more wins then i should have, I was preaching 7-9 I now see us ending at 2-12. But there has been visual progress on the field this year, we have seen our team fight this season and if anything else that can be said about spags, he inspires teams to fight for the wins.

    That said i do expect improvement in the win column next year. Next year I hope to see us in the range of 6-10 to 7-9. In his third year as head coach i expect us to be entrenched with the guys spags and devaney want for their team, I expect us to compete for the nfc west title.

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    Re: Let's get this out of the way: Spags v. Line#&%

    In many ways I almost see this whole season as an extension of the preseason. What I mean by that is Spags could not turn over the entire roster and start over. He had to deal with what was already on his plate, what he could bring in from free agency and the draft, and now has had to spend this whole season in evaluation mode to see who can really play. Who really has talent. Who really has heart. There are a number of players who are coming up on FA, or short time on contracts, or still have trade value, or need to just be cut. But he is working with what he has now, and will be able to start cleaning house at the end of the season.

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    Re: Let's get this out of the way: Spags v. Line#&%

    The thing is, even with this team completely healthy we would be struggling to get 4 or 5 wins, with the injuries we have across the board its no wonder we are struggling.

    Im just thankful we have won the one game, thats all i wanted. No winless seasons here!

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    Re: Let's get this out of the way: Spags v. Line#&%

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post

    This is not a new scenario. Teams often, following a successful run, have to bottom out entirely before returning to success. Look at the Cowboys during the transition from Tom Landry to Jimmy Johnson. First you have to break ties with the past (regardless of the short-term consequences), then you have to make good personnel decisions, and then... and only then, can a new era begin.
    A transition that was helped immensely by the Herschel Walker trade.

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    Re: Let's get this out of the way: Spags v. Line#&%

    Thank you Avenger. Every time someone brings up firing Spags, link him/her to this thread. Well said AV, as always.


    Always and Forever a fan of the St. Louis Rams

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    Re: Let's get this out of the way: Spags v. Line#&%

    for me. Spags is the Dick V of the future. If we keep him has head coach and
    let him run the game, I say we will be a every year team to win the SB.

    I just like this guy to much to give up on him. There is something special there.

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    Re: Let's get this out of the way: Spags v. Line#&%

    I agree with what others have posted and like spags as a head coach...I would like to hear avs keepers for next year and moves he anticipates not only through the draft, but free agency as well...i realize its ridiculously early, but would love something to talk about/speculate on

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    Re: Let's get this out of the way: Spags v. Line#&%

    Well his first job should be getting a competent Offensive Coordinator. Shurmer aint cutting it.

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    Re: Let's get this out of the way: Spags v. Line#&%

    Certainly the Rams came into the season weak in key spots. Spags got a lot done in the off season but couldn't get it all ironed out in such a short time.

    Haunting the Rams--the O-line. Some say they are playing more solidly of late; perhaps it is so but not solid enough--how did Bulger get hurt again? More to the point how may seasons has Bulger played where he didn't get hurt? If any wish to discuss this point further, all one needs to do is look how many times Breeze and P. Manning have gone down.

    Defensive Line, yet another sore spot--Needs to get pressure on opposing QBs and get penitration to disrrupt the run consistantly. I don't think you can judge the Rams secondary affectively till the front line does their job. Give an NFl QB 5 seconds and thats an eternity for the secondary to try and cover WRs/TE/RB-etc...etc....

    S. Jackson is the offense. Lets see it didn't work out all that well for the Lions when they had B. Sanders being their bread and butter. More to the point opposing defense key off on him first. One would thing play-action pass would be more a threat, or short Bubble Screens would be more potent, or even a deep ball

    Oh lets look at the back up QB, now there isn't a success story. Just one more reason to look for the future of the Rams.

    So lets hope the Rams can put together a product that goes at least 8-8 next season and then perhaps division champs the season after that

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    Re: Let's get this out of the way: Spags v. Line#&%

    He's got a A in my book, he's doing a good job, we just have to stay behind him and all will follow

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