Little feels pain of his actions 10 years later

[Fat Pang]

Originally Posted by moloch41

Judgement goes both ways- if someone can judge and deem him worthy of forgiveness- why can't someone deem him unworthy of it? Now, that being said- I would only guess that he is riddled with guilt- I don't think he's a sociopath incapable of feeling remorse.

What you're doing is damning the man by virtue of a reported second infraction two years after the event and some eight years from the present day.

That shouldn't be enough for you to judge him unworthy of forgiveness or a second shot at life. If society were to deny him the opportunity of redemption then what purpose would punishment serve? If he can manage present a powerful lesson to impressionable youth then I'm glad he's taken the opportunity to do so and would hope he continues to do in the face of criticism.

I think there are several people with direct experience of similar circumstances who have spoken very powerfully of how it impacted their lives and its information that you've chosen to ignore in an effort to continue denigrating Little's efforts.

Any effort to insist that Little is underserving of forgiveness trespasses on territory that is the Gutweilers' and theirs alone. It is for them to give or withold their forgiveness and its for Little to continue to do the best with the opportunity he's been given.

I have nothing to forgive him for and I have nothing to damn him for. He committed a crime, paid the penalty society saw fit to give him and he has to live with the consequences the rest of his life as best he can.

Much like AV, I have no opinion of him other than as a football player and I feel questions of forgiveness are best left to others in a position to give it.

[Fortuninerhater]

Originally Posted by ramsanddodgers

Like Av I have never been under the influence of alcohol while driving. Mostly because I don't drink and never have.

But that doesn't mean I have never driven and then not recalled how I got to my destination. Cell Phones and radios as well as just whatever is bothering one on a given day can all be distractions as well as alcohol. Not to mention cigarettes, eating and kids.

Do I forgive Little? Not my place as I was not affected by his actions. Do I understand his actions? No. Do I judge him for his actions? Yes, I probably do although it probably is not my place to do so. (and find him guilty). It is easy to sit back and make judgements although all we generally have to use as evidence is hearsay and are not privileged to all the pertinent facts. Just as we have judged Vick, Pacman, T.O., Irvin, and the multitude of athletes and private individuals we see and read about seemingly on a constant basis.

Do I like Little as a person? I don't know him but he seems like a person trying to make amends for a grievous wrong which he was at fault for. Is Little a good football player? Yes, but like so many they seem to think that puts them above the law or that it grants them some sort of special privilege us reg folk are not entitled to.

I feel sorry for the family he hurt so deeply and think he was extremely wrong and stupid for potentially putting himself in the same situation again. If indeed he was DUI again he is lucky he didn't hurt another family or his own for that matter.

Moloch is as entitled to his opinion as any of the rest of us. It is all part of what makes this world go round and makes it sometimes interesting.

If you're suggesting that I am trying to take Moloch's opinion away, you couldn't be further from the truth. I am merely stating what "the word" says if he is a believer. If he's not, then just disregard my statements and by all means, carry on.

[moloch41]

Originally Posted by Fat Pang

What you're doing is damning the man by virtue of a reported second infraction two years after the event and some eight years from the present day.

The second incident happened 4 yrs ago, btw.

Originally Posted by Fat Pang

That shouldn't be enough for you to judge him unworthy of forgiveness or a second shot at life. If society were to deny him the opportunity of redemption then what purpose would punishment serve? If he can manage present a powerful lesson to impressionable youth then I'm glad he's taken the opportunity to do so and would hope he continues to do in the face of criticism.

Firstly, isn't it a bit hypocritical of you to judge and deem what I see as being worthy of forgiveness- is that not being judgemental yourself? Secondly, we are not the Borg here and society is not "The Collective" (geeky Star Trek reference). Just because a judge in MO thought it a proper sentence, does not mean the rest of the work has to agree with it.

Originally Posted by Fat Pang

I think there are several people with direct experience of similar circumstances who have spoken very powerfully of how it impacted their lives and its information that you've chosen to ignore in an effort to continue denigrating Little's efforts.

I didn't respond because they really have nothing to do with what we're talking about. None of them have any direct bearing on the case at hand and none of the situations give them a higher ground on with which to speak. If in their own situations, if they choose to forgive the people responsible for causing their families grief- good for them. I'm not sure I would be able to do the same, but that doesn't make them any better than me and it doesn't me any worse. I have not once attacked another poster on this board for their opinion even though I have been attacked for mine. I have merely given my opinion on the situation and it has apparently rubbed people the wrong way. Also, several posters have brought religion into the fold and it's not a discussion I wish to enter. From experience, religious and political discussions get ugly quick and since it can neither be proved or disproved- it just goes around and around in circles until the mods close the threads.

Originally Posted by Fat Pang

Any effort to insist that Little is underserving of forgiveness trespasses on territory that is the Gutweilers' and theirs alone. It is for them to give or withold their forgiveness and its for Little to continue to do the best with the opportunity he's been given.

The Gutweilers, btw, have not forgiven him and they felt insulted by the judge's decision and further hurt by the second incident. They are also dumbfounded by the clear apathy that Rams fans seem to have towards the situation. They feel that the fans have larely ignored a grave injustice because the guy can play football and I can't say I disagree with them.