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    Media Myths

    There seems to be a lot of myths out there in the media these days. Here are a few of the most prominent:

    MYTH: The sale of the Rams is preventing them from being active in the free agent market.

    REALITY: There really is no significant free agent market at this point. The uncapped year converted a large percentage of potential UFAs to RFAs and, as a result, there have been few "major" signings this offseason throughout the league. Anyone can speculate as to whether the Rams might have done more if the sale were completed, but that's pure speculation. To state it as if its a fact is misleading, at best.

    MYTH: The Rams aren't making enough of an effort to sign O.J. Atogwe.

    REALITY: We don't know what the Rams have offered. All we do know is that they have been dancing this dance for two years now. Given that fact, I think it is a safe assumption that the Rams believe that Atogwe is overvaluing himself withi his long-term contract demands. Given that he's coming off an injury (possibly two), and he is about to turn 29, they may be right.

    MYTH: The Rams run defense is horrible.

    REALITY: It went largely unnoticed, but the Rams run defense improved significantly last year. In 2008, they gave up an average of 4.9 ypc. In 2009, that number improved to 4.4 ypc. That is the same ypc allowed by New England, and better than New Orleans. Add to that a run-stuffing DT (Robbins), more size at the LB position (Diggs, Carpenter) and DBs who like to play the run (Murphy, Payne) and this could be a strong point of the team.

    MYTH: If the league approves the sale to Kroenke by bending the cross-ownership rules, it will start a legal battle with Khan.

    REALITY: While Khan, like anyone else, can certainly try to bring a legal action, he would not have a viable claim. Simply put, Khan has no standing to challenge the league's interpretation (or, if necessary, modification/amendment) of its rules. Moreover, you have to ask yourself, what would be the point of such an action? Even if Khan could overturn the approval of Kroenke as the owner, the league would still have to approve him. How likely is it that they would do so after a heated legal battle?


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    The Rams have stated that the ownership situation is not affecting FA. To an extent I believe that, simply because they have money set aside. This also makes them reluctant to blow it all on one guy however. So it affects it but only to a certain extent in my opinion.

    I'm really not concerned with Atogwe at this point. Tired of fans freaking out over the guy and it's getting annoying. He had a down year last year, he's going to be on the cusp of 30 coming off of two injuries and wants to be one of the highest paid safeties in the league with his bad tackling....enough already. Some players you just can't keep and Atogwe is shaping up to be one of them. Let him go because it seems to me he's intent on playing elsewhere while he still has some years left anyway.

    The thing that skews that numbers with the Rams run defense is the fact that they could shut down the run in the first half of just about every game, then get gashed (particularly on stretch plays) for big runs late in the game. People don't remember the first half shutdowns, they remember the 60 yarders by backup running backs, and that's understandable. Certainly an outsider looking at the Rams who does nothing but look at what other people have to say and youtube highlights (that almost always show the Rams doing something bad..) to form their opinions is going to say "RAMS SUCKZ!" (eh pretty rightfully so) and subsequently that just about every thing we did was horrible.

    It takes a fan to break down film to see what the real problem was. We suffered from lack of play makers and lack of speed on the outside all year. When our defense finally got tired all of this was exposed even more and we got gashed for long runs that skewed stats and game performance averages.

    This coming year we need our big men to occupy more blockers to stop them from gaining that second level (Robbins) and we need more speed on the outside (Carpenter). We'll see how this year shakes up but let's not assume we will remain the same as last year because you have yet to see what we currently have on the field. Is it wrong to assume young guys will get better?

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    Re: Media Myths

    I don't agree that the ownership issue is impacting free agency. I think the lack of a CBA and that next year will be a lock out season are FAR LARGER factors in the decision making process.

    I think the lockout year IS a major factor in long term contracts. Let's say you are looking at OJ (29 years old). You sign him to a 3 year contract. In 2010 you get him for a reasonable price / 2011 he's not playing / 2012 he's now an old guy and you've got him locked up when you probably don't want him at 31 years of age. I think it's a factor. You only really got 1 year of play out of him. Why not just go young in 2010 w/ Dahl, risk the lockout in 2011 and sign someone fresh in 2012 when the league returns?

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    That's a good point that I had overlooked. I guess my unwillingness to believe that the retards making decision would be so stupid as to let football die for an entire season...

    But yes no football in 2011 would be devastating for the older guys in the league who can't afford to miss years. Jackson would be almost 30 by the time he plays football for us again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RebelYell View Post
    I don't agree that the ownership issue is impacting free agency. I think the lack of a CBA and that next year will be a lock out season are FAR LARGER factors in the decision making process.

    I think the lockout year IS a major factor in long term contracts. Let's say you are looking at OJ (29 years old). You sign him to a 3 year contract. In 2010 you get him for a reasonable price / 2011 he's not playing / 2012 he's now an old guy and you've got him locked up when you probably don't want him at 31 years of age. I think it's a factor. You only really got 1 year of play out of him. Why not just go young in 2010 w/ Dahl, risk the lockout in 2011 and sign someone fresh in 2012 when the league returns?
    There also is the addition of the total width and breadth of unknown factors that will materialize with the new CBA. The owners and GM's have no idea what will and what won't be allowed into consideration for the collective bargaining agreement and subsequently have no idea of what the salary cap will look like or how it will be structured.

    Will there be a hard cap? Will it be a penalty cap like the NBA or MLB? How much will the new salary cap start at? Will it contain provisions penalizing teams that dumped players and their contracts this year and in 2011? Will there be a rookie cap? The release of Jamarcus Russell who made over $100K per completion screams that a rookie cap is necessary to prevent a top 5 pick flame-out from crippling a franchise for 5-7 years.

    The change from the 4 year URFA to the 6 year URFA classification has been discussed ad nauseum insofar that it made for a very weak free agent class. The depth of the free agency pool was very shallow and teams were smart enough to not get in bidding wars with each other and pander to free agents who wanted long term contracts with the aforementioned uncertainties of the future CBA.

    FWIW, I've even seen it mentioned by one of our disintelligent members on DallasCowboys.com that Jerry Jones was broke and therefore wasn't signing any free agents this offseason.

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    Re: Media Myths

    I don't want to pee in anyone's Wheaties, but the running defense stat is a little skewed. While we did only allow 4.4 ypc, we also gave up 137.6 rushing yards per game which is ranked 27th in the NFL and allowed 24 rushing tds which is tied with the Raiders for last in the NFL. We also allowed 6 runs of 40 yards or more which is also last in the NFL. I will agree that we have improved though since in 2008 we allowed 154.7 rushing ypg ranked 29th and 26 rushing tds also tied for last. I think my point is that while we have improved we still weren't that good against the run. I think with Robbins and the other new players we will be better, but I'm not sold on it being our strong point.

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    Re: Media Myths

    Quote Originally Posted by Judaxi View Post
    I don't want to pee in anyone's Wheaties, but the running defense stat is a little skewed. While we did only allow 4.4 ypc, we also gave up 137.6 rushing yards per game which is ranked 27th in the NFL and allowed 24 rushing tds which is tied with the Raiders for last in the NFL. We also allowed 6 runs of 40 yards or more which is also last in the NFL. I will agree that we have improved though since in 2008 we allowed 154.7 rushing ypg ranked 29th and 26 rushing tds also tied for last. I think my point is that while we have improved we still weren't that good against the run. I think with Robbins and the other new players we will be better, but I'm not sold on it being our strong point.
    You have to look at those stats in context too. The Rams' offense virtually never gave the team a lead, so opposing teams would pound and pound and pound with the running game. Eventually, the D is bound to give up a big run.

    Overall, though, there clearly was significant improvement, and that trend should continue.

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    Re: Media Myths

    Quote Originally Posted by Judaxi View Post
    I don't want to pee in anyone's Wheaties, but the running defense stat is a little skewed. While we did only allow 4.4 ypc, we also gave up 137.6 rushing yards per game which is ranked 27th in the NFL and allowed 24 rushing tds which is tied with the Raiders for last in the NFL. We also allowed 6 runs of 40 yards or more which is also last in the NFL. I will agree that we have improved though since in 2008 we allowed 154.7 rushing ypg ranked 29th and 26 rushing tds also tied for last. I think my point is that while we have improved we still weren't that good against the run. I think with Robbins and the other new players we will be better, but I'm not sold on it being our strong point.
    Well yes, but which stat is skewed? The 4.4? Or the 137.6? Or neither?

    Here's what I'm saying....

    Yes, the Rams ranked 27th in rushing yards allowed, but they also ranked 27th in rushing attempts. They gave up more yards because teams attempted to run on them more.

    What concerns me from last year's run D is the astonishing efficiency with which opposing offenses scored by the run. The Rams ranked 31st in defending attempts/TD on the ground. Opposing offenses found the endzone with every 20.8 rushing attempts against the Rams last year. Only the Giants (20.1) were worse.

    However, with regards to defending the longball, that is to say attempts/20+yard gain, the Rams were 17th at 41.7 rushes for every 20+ yard burst. Not great, but right now league average is a success when you're talking about a team with 6 wins in 3 years.
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    Re: Media Myths

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    You have to look at those stats in context too. The Rams' offense virtually never gave the team a lead, so opposing teams would pound and pound and pound with the running game. Eventually, the D is bound to give up a big run.

    Overall, though, there clearly was significant improvement, and that trend should continue.
    That's a good point that I didn't think about. Thinking of it like that you're right that is significant improvement that hopefully with the addition of our new players we can build on.

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