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    Re: More rams history-the best player the Rams ever let get away

    Quote Originally Posted by PeoriaRam View Post
    Marginal players aren't 2nd team All Pros, integral components of a Super Bowl-winning rush attack, and don't get sniffed at for Pro Bowl mentions.

    And most people do consider him to be among the league's best blockers.
    The Pro bowl is a popularity contest. It's no true measure of performance. A super bowl appearance is often times accompanied by a pro bowl berth for many players at many positions as well. No surprise he got a sniff, especially considering his position.

    Integral? I watched him whiff just as many blocks there as he did for us. He was terrible (read: ineffective) when blocking in space and generally useless there. Not to mention the times he just ran into a hole with no back behind him. The Giants had a dominant running attack before he got there. No surprise it didn't change after. Most Ram fans wouldn't remember this but one of his best assets were his hands, they were exceptional.

    Who are these people? They need their head checked.


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    Re: More rams history-the best player the Rams ever let get away

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    Fletcher is a great one for sure, but he left as a free agent, we didnt cut him. I would put him in the category of a ryan pickett, guys we never should have let walk.

    Drew Hill is a tremendous call. Big screw up there.

    I dont understand that comment on hedgecock as a marginal player. He is one of the better fullbacks in the nfl and an excellent special teams player. I believe that he has played in a pro bowl. I dont count that as marginal at all.

    We had a starting caliber player (proved by the fact that he started and did well for a super bowl champion team) who was making no money and we cut him for a guy that wound up never playing for us, resulting in our need to go find another fullback. Is there anyone that would rather have mike kearney and all his injuries (and thats not a criticism of him) than hedgecock right now (especially when you consider the salary difference). Absolutely moronic roster move, the single worst one of the linehan era (worse than the bennett signing, which at least seemed like a good idea at the time)

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    I call him marginal based off of his play on the field. He was insignificant as a Ram. A JAG at best. He's one of those guys that got cut, went to a different team and was glorified, even though he was never a better player there, than he was here and he wasn't a good player here, when he was here.

    Why is that? For the reason you mentioned in the first mention of him. Because we replaced him with a nobody, who did nothing, in Richard Owens. A FOSL (Friend of Scott Linehan). It's a misnomer that he never played for us though, he played the entire 07 season for us after he was signed (14 games). Never was good but wasn't that terrible either. Just another guy (JAG), same as Hedgecock imo. Which is why he (Owens) isn't in the league anymore.

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    Re: More rams history-the best player the Rams ever let get away

    Wendell Tyler?

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    Re: More rams history-the best player the Rams ever let get away

    Not really. I say Drew Hill or maybe Hedgecock. What ever happened to Roman Phifer?

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    Re: More rams history-the best player the Rams ever let get away

    Quote Originally Posted by Dwight Frye View Post
    Not really. I say Drew Hill or maybe Hedgecock. What ever happened to Roman Phifer?
    Went to the Jets in FA. Unfortunate loss. One of my favorite Rams in recent memory.

    Apparently they wanted to resign him but acted too late. Yeah you don't resign your guys by letting them hit FA and sign with another team before you want to get serious with negotiations. Media fluff.

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    Re: More rams history-the best player the Rams ever let get away

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramzee View Post
    The Pro bowl is a popularity contest. It's no true measure of performance. A super bowl appearance is often times accompanied by a pro bowl berth for many players at many positions as well. No surprise he got a sniff, especially considering his position.

    Integral? I watched him whiff just as many blocks there as he did for us. He was terrible (read: ineffective) when blocking in space and generally useless there. Not to mention the times he just ran into a hole with no back behind him. The Giants had a dominant running attack before he got there. No surprise it didn't change after. Most Ram fans wouldn't remember this but one of his best assets were his hands, they were exceptional. No ****.

    Who are these people? They need their head checked.
    The Giants averaged 5 yards a carry in 2008 with some relatively no-name backs. How well has Steven Jackson done without a credible blocking fullback again?

    EDIT-the Pro Bowl nod and the All Pro naming both came after the Super Bowl.

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    Re: More rams history-the best player the Rams ever let get away

    Drew Bennett anyone? Lol

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    Re: More rams history-the best player the Rams ever let get away

    Quote Originally Posted by PeoriaRam View Post
    The Giants averaged 5 yards a carry in 2008 with some relatively no-name backs. How well has Steven Jackson done without a credible blocking fullback again?

    EDIT-the Pro Bowl nod and the All Pro naming both came after the Super Bowl.
    Relatively no name backs? Like Brandon Jacobs. No sir. You can't sell that here. Derrick Ward and Ahmad Bradshaw both made some pretty good names for themselves too while they are/were here/there.

    This was the #1 rushing offense in 2008. #4 in 2007 with a very similar average (4.7) and #7 in 2006 again with a very similar average (4.7). In fact Brandon Jacobs averaged 5.0 in 2007 himself. But I digress, what do these stats mean exactly? Hedgecock was a Giant in 2009 and didn't miss a game, yet all of the sudden, they dropped an entire yard per average and they dropped to #17 in total rushing. Why?

    The addition of Hedgecock isn't going to marginalize the rest of the offense. They were pretty good before he got there and they're terrible now. I can only imagine none of that really has much to do with Hedgecock. Certainly he's just as good, if not better, than Jim (who dat?) Finn right?

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    Re: More rams history-the best player the Rams ever let get away

    It's actually kind of hard to find a guy the Rams cut that went on to be successful elsewhere. At least from memory. Much easier to find guys who they had no intentions of resigning through FA.

    Obviously the easy one to mention is Warner. Cut him, two days later he's on the Giants and trying to redeem himself while Manning sits in the wings.

    As far the one that got away, most recent memory, has to be London Fletcher. Just a shame how that all went down. Even more a shame if the fact that he's never made the Pro Bowl until this last season. How do you keep that guy out for so long?

    Going back further, how about Kevin Greene? Forced out due to Jeff Fisher's freshly installed 4-3 defensive system. Why fix it if it's not broke? Although he was unable to adjust to playing RDE in the 43 defense Fisher brought with him, he did make the adjustment back to SLB the following year and had a productive 10 sack season but they let him walk in FA anyways.

    After that he only went on to become 3rd in NFL history in total sacks behind Bruce Smith and Reggie White with 160, having 7 more productive pro bowl years for several different teams, including his final season, back at 43 OLB, where he had another double digit sack season, finishing his career off with 12. Dumb move.

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