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NFL wants to resolve Spygate situation .. and other stuff.

NFL Notes: NFL wants to resolve Spygate situation
By Jim Thomas
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
04/03/2008

FEBRUARY 4, 2008--NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell
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PALM BEACH, Fla. -- A vote wasn't necessary, but NFL owners still issued a resolution of support for three areas of emphasis that commissioner Roger Goodell plans to institute in an effort to maintain the integrity of the game.
"What happened is we went over this in the coach and owner session (Tuesday)," Goodell said. "The coaches and the owners felt so strongly about it that they moved to put a resolution behind it, just to reinforce their commitment to this. . . .I think the commitment of the ownership and the coaches was very strong. It was 32-0 (in favor of the resolution)."

Largely as the result of the "Spygate" illegal taping controversy involving the New England Patriots, Goodell said the following measures will be put in place immediately.

_ Each NFL team must certify annually that their individual club has complied with competitive rules and policies, and report actual or suspected violations.

_ The standard of proof for establishing any violations will be "preponderance of the evidence." (A lesser standard than the "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" in criminal law.)

_ The league reserves the right to expand programs and technology to monitor and enforce compliance. This might result in regular spot checks of game-day locker rooms, press boxes, coaches’ booths, coach-to-player communications systems, and other in-stadium communications systems.

In years to come, these measures might be referred to as the Belichick Rules, in honor of you-know-who.

---Rules changes---

_ League owners approved a measure changing the forceout rule on pass receptions. Under the new rule, in almost all instances, a player who catches a pass must come down with both feet in bounds for the play to be ruled a completion _ even if he’s shoved out of bounds by a defender.

Only if a player is carried out of bounds by the defender is the play ruled a completion.

* Most field goal attempts are now reviewable under the instant replay system. Coaches can now challenge whether field goal attempts went inside or outside of the uprights. Or if they went over or under the crossbar.

Attempts that go over the top of the uprights still aren’t reviewable.

* Team can now defer to the second half the opportunity of receiving the kickoff or defending the goal.

* The five-yard variety of the facemask penalty was eliminated.


---Owners nix re-seeding---

A competition committee proposal to change the playoff seeding proposal went absolutely nowhere. The proposal would’ve given wild-card teams the chance to have home playoff games ahead of division champions with lesser won-lost records.

It drew such little support that it never reached a formal vote.

"The re-seeding is something that we’ve talked about for several years," Goodell said. "I think the debate was good."

---Divine help?---

The training camp site the Rams are considering in Madison, Wis., is the Bishop O’Connor Catholic Center, a facility that has fields, dorms, and a cafeteria. The University of Wisconsin football team used to train there.

Brent King, the director of communications for the Diocese of Madison, told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he has been contacted by the Rams about the possibility of using the facility this summer.

"The call came within the last two days," King said Wednesday. "They were investigating if it would be possible. But they’re in the very early stages."


---Ellis’ pro day---

While coach Scott Linehan was in south Florida at the owners meetings, the Rams sent a delegation Wednesday to the University of Southern California’s pro day. The Rams are particularly interested in watching USC defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis.

"I don’t know, maybe he’s the No. 2 (pick) after we really watch him," Linehan said. "But even if you didn’t go there _ if you moved back a spot or two _ you’ve got to say this guy (might be a possibility).

"I’m speculating, because until we finish our board _ I mean I kind of have an idea _ but I honestly don’t know who we’re drafting."

--Keeping a 3rd---

After spending most of the 2007 season with just two quarterbacks on the active roster, Linehan sounds committed to keeping three QBs this coming season.

"Yeah, we’ll carry a third this year," Linehan said. "If it’s not Brock Berlin, somebody else. I would like personally to get a young player, even draft a quarterback if possible."

Ideally, the young prospect could move into the No. 2 role behind Bulger in two or three years once Trent Green retires.

Linehan said Wednesday that Ellis would be among those draft prospects visiting Rams Park later this month.

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Each NFL team must certify annually that their individual club has complied with competitive rules and policies, and report actual or suspected violations.
So each NFL team has to police themselves? How will this stop people cheating?
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* Team can now defer to the second half the opportunity of receiving the kickoff or defending the goal.

Huh?
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Re: NFL wants to resolve Spygate situation .. and other stuff.

im not sure about this getting rid of the force out thing, its going to make red zone offense much harder, no more fades or jump balls to the back of the end zone. One quick shove by a defending player and the offensive player is out of bounds
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im not sure about this getting rid of the force out thing, its going to make red zone offense much harder, no more fades or jump balls to the back of the end zone. One quick shove by a defending player and the offensive player is out of bounds
I agree. This will change the game considerably and defenders are going to get very physical when balls are thrown near the sidelines. It will make the catches easier to call for the refs, but there will be less catches being made along the sidelines and deep in the end zone.
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* Team can now defer to the second half the opportunity of receiving the kickoff or defending the goal.

Huh?
It's like in high school and college ball. The team that wins the coin toss no longer has to pick if they want the ball or not. Now, they can win the toss and defer their choice to the 2nd half.
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I honestly dont see Ellis being drafted by us.
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Re: NFL wants to resolve Spygate situation .. and other stuff.

some more rules that favor the offense--what a surprise there. Perhaps a player ought to make a bigger effort catching the ball in bounds rather then hope on the generiosity of the ref's saying he caught the ball but was forced out.

Pretty soon with all these rule changes favoring the offense there will be little reason to field a credible defense
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some more rules that favor the offense--what a surprise there. Perhaps a player ought to make a bigger effort catching the ball in bounds rather then hope on the generiosity of the ref's saying he caught the ball but was forced out.

Pretty soon with all these rule changes favoring the offense there will be little reason to field a credible defense
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Am I missing something?

The new rule actually favors the defense.
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So each NFL team has to police themselves? How will this stop people cheating?
If people want to cheat, they're going to cheat. I don't think policing themselves is going to do much, but I do think the rule acts as a deterrent. The following is not my argument that it's a good plan, .... it's just meant to address your inquiry of 'how is it going to stop anyone from cheating.'

It says certify... as in, affadavit and declaration. Now, if the league finds out they didn't comply, then the team can't throw out the Belichik-esque excuses of "oh we didn't know", or "an underling named Walsh did it on his own without the FO's authorization", or my favorite, "I had a different interpretation of the rule than the NFL did."

Reminds me of the legal rule of 'respondeat superior' (vicarious liability) which is the rule that an employer is expressly responsible for the acts of its employees. If the employer (team) is going to certify they did everything right, then it's their duty to police their organization and check the accuracy of that statement before giving that certification. That way, if there ever is cheating found, it won't matter what excuses the team's puss of a coach can contrive. The whole organization will get hammered, period.

Seems to me, they're just narrowing the free rein teams had before by putting the entire credibility of each organization on the line. If each organization has to expressly certify they followed certain rules and procedures, it's a good bet fewer of them are going to break them or take a risk 'bending' them.

The cynical side of me also makes me think "deniability." Millions of dollars are at risk if some camera guy films at the wrong time. The owners probably made the rule this way and will now restructure certain clauses in the contracts for these camera guys that they can only film certain things. Then, that way if someone does do wrong, the team can show it was done without their knowledge, and in express violation of that person's contract. (it's similar to the whole CIA 'get caught as an operative in a clandestine operation and we'll deny we know you' type of deniability).
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Re: NFL wants to resolve Spygate situation .. and other stuff.

I dont like them changing the force out rule. It shortens the width of the field and I think it takes away of an exciting part of the game.
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Re: NFL wants to resolve Spygate situation .. and other stuff.

How does it eliminate the sideline or endzone fade game? It requires the QB to be a little more accurate and it requires the receiver to actually fight for the ball a few more inches inbounds and then make an effort to get their feet in. No more gift receptions. Also, unless you're under five yards out, if the defender touches you before you touch the ball, it's still interference.

This is finally a rule change to help the defense tone down the passing game a little and more importantly, starts allowing corners to be worth something again. Props to this rule change and props to the elimination of the 5 yard facemask. Did they make the offensive facemask penalty? I didn't see anything about it.
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NFL Notes: NFL wants to resolve Spygate situation
By Jim Thomas
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
04/03/2008

--Keeping a 3rd---

After spending most of the 2007 season with just two quarterbacks on the active roster, Linehan sounds committed to keeping three QBs this coming season.

"Yeah, we’ll carry a third this year," Linehan said. "If it’s not Brock Berlin, somebody else. I would like personally to get a young player, even draft a quarterback if possible."

Ideally, the young prospect could move into the No. 2 role behind Bulger in two or three years once Trent Green retires.


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How about a guy like Jason Murrietta from NAU. He might be the developmental guy the Rams are looking for. He currently plays for the Spokane Shock of the AFL2 league. At NAU he was a four year starter and 2 time Big Sky Offensive player of the year. He is 6'1" 215 lbs. Good arm. Cool customer.
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