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    One of the biggest problems this year? The Off playcalling.

    I've been just amazed by the offensive play calling this year. We are way too conservative at times. I know there are times to play it safe, but it feels like we are playing it too safe too often.

    We've got a problem with not having enough player talent. But, I think we also have a problem with lack of play calling talent in the booth.


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    Re: One of the biggest problems this year? The Off playcalling.

    We are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too conservative. It's almost gut wrenching in how bad we are.

    I really don't think this has to do with talent as much as playcalling. Yes, the offensive line isn't giving our QB's too much time. But, when we have time to throw, we don't look down field. We look right or left, or five yards from the line of scrimmage.

    Avery has great speed. He showed that last year, there is no way he lost all of it. Let's throw down the field on first down when they stack the box for Jackson.
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    Re: One of the biggest problems this year? The Off playcalling.

    I just can't understand the play calling either. How can you keep calling draw plays on third and long and think you will once catch the defense. I don't know if it is Shurmur calling the plays but whoever it is is a freaking idiot. I mean I am all for giving Jackson 25-30 touches a game but call a play thats right for the situation.

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    Re: One of the biggest problems this year? The Off playcalling.

    Rookie DC, rookie HC, Rookie OC. Bad combo with a young team not enough experience all around. With a defensive coach you can go with the guy like Flajole and it has worked out well. Shurmur comes from a good organization, but he is still to young and inexperienced. I've said this before and I'll say it again we need a proven vet offensive coordinator so Spags can be the defensive boss and dial up his blitz

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    Re: One of the biggest problems this year? The Off playcalling.

    I copied and pasted the NFL.com play-by-play slightly formatted and color-coated.

    Pink = Penalties
    Blue = Positive Run Play
    Orange = 0 or Negative Run Play
    Green = Positive Pass play
    Red = 0 or negative Pass Play
    Cyan = Sack
    Dark Red = Turnover/Defense TD

    -- 1st Quarter --

    St. Louis Rams at 15:00
    6-J.Nedney kicks 65 yards from SF 30 to SL 5. 16-D.Amendola to SF 3 for 92 yards (25-T.Brown). PENALTY on SL-26-A.Smith, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at SL 32. D.Amendola credited with 27-yard return.
    1-10-STL 22 (14:47) 39-S.Jackson right end to SL 23 for 1 yard (32-M.Lewis).
    2-9-STL 23 (14:11) 12-K.Boller pass incomplete short left to 14-K.Burton [90-I.Sopoaga].
    3-9-STL 23 (14:05) 12-K.Boller pass incomplete short left to 84-R.McMichael.

    4-9-STL 23 (14:05) 5-D.Jones punts 43 yards to SF 34, Center-45-C.Massey, out of bounds.

    St. Louis Rams at 10:35
    1-10-STL 20 (10:35) 39-S.Jackson right tackle to SL 25 for 5 yards (32-M.Lewis; 90-I.Sopoaga).
    2-5-STL 25 (10:01) 39-S.Jackson left end to SL 26 for 1 yard (52-P.Willis). PENALTY on SL-46-D.Fells, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at SL 25 - No Play.
    2-15-STL 15 (9:39) PENALTY on SL, Illegal Substitution, 5 yards, enforced at SL 15 - No Play.
    2-20-STL 10 (9:22) 39-S.Jackson up the middle to SL 16 for 6 yards (52-P.Willis).
    3-14-STL 16 (8:44) 12-K.Boller pass short right to 17-D.Avery to SL 38 for 22 yards (38-D.Goldson). Caught at SL 22.
    1-10-STL 38 (8:12) 39-S.Jackson left guard to SL 42 for 4 yards (92-A.Franklin; 51-T.Spikes).
    2-6-STL 42 (7:37) 12-K.Boller pass short right to 46-D.Fells to SF 41 for 17 yards (32-M.Lewis). Caught at SL 47.
    1-10-SF 41 (7:15) 39-S.Jackson right tackle to SF 37 for 4 yards (22-N.Clements).
    2-6-SF 37 (6:34) 12-K.Boller pass short right to 39-S.Jackson pushed ob at SF 32 for 5 yards (51-T.Spikes). Caught at SF 40.
    3-1-SF 32 (6:05) 35-S.Gado right guard to SF 33 for -1 yards (55-A.Brooks).
    4-2-SF 33 (5:22) 3-Josh.Brown 51 yard field goal is No Good, Short, Center-45-C.Massey, Holder-5-D.Jones.

    St. Louis Rams at 02:26
    1-10-STL 10 (2:26) 39-S.Jackson left end to SL 12 for 2 yards (32-M.Lewis).
    2-8-STL 12 (1:45) 12-K.Boller sacked at SL 6 for -6 yards (52-P.Willis).
    3-14-STL 6 (1:12) 39-S.Jackson right end to SL 6 for no gain (22-N.Clements).
    4-14-STL 6 (:32) 5-D.Jones punts 55 yards to SF 39, Center-45-C.Massey. 83-A.Battle to SF 42 for 3 yards (36-Q.Butler).

    -- 2nd Quarter --

    St. Louis Rams at 09:40
    1-10-STL 33 (9:40) 39-S.Jackson right guard to SL 33 for no gain (99-M.Lawson).
    2-10-STL 33 (9:04) 12-K.Boller pass incomplete deep left to 84-R.McMichael.
    3-10-STL 33 (9:04) (Shotgun) 12-K.Boller up the middle to SL 38 for 5 yards (99-M.Lawson).
    4-5-STL 38 (8:20) 5-D.Jones punts 40 yards to SF 22, Center-45-C.Massey, fair catch by 83-A.Battle.

    St. Louis Rams at 05:27
    6-J.Nedney kicks 60 yards from SF 30 to SL 10. 16-D.Amendola to SL 27 for 17 yards (25-T.Brown).
    1-10-STL 27 (5:21) 12-K.Boller pass incomplete short right to 84-R.McMichael.
    2-10-STL 27 (5:15) 39-S.Jackson right guard to SL 33 for 6 yards (32-M.Lewis).
    3-4-STL 33 (4:34) 12-K.Boller pass short left to 14-K.Burton to SL 45 for 12 yards (38-D.Goldson). Caught at SL 41.
    1-10-STL 45 (3:59) 12-K.Boller sacked at SL 35 for -10 yards (51-T.Spikes).
    2-20-STL 35 (3:21) 39-S.Jackson left end to 50 for 15 yards (36-S.Spencer).
    3-5- (2:55) 12-K.Boller pass short right to 84-R.McMichael to SF 42 for 8 yards (32-M.Lewis). Penalty on SF-91-R.McDonald, Defensive Offside, declined.
    1-10-SF 42 (2:36) 39-S.Jackson right tackle to SF 40 for 2 yards (98-P.Haralson).
    Two-Minute Warning
    2-8-SF 40 (2:00) 39-S.Jackson right tackle to SF 36 for 4 yards (98-P.Haralson; 52-P.Willis).
    3-4-SF 36 (1:29) 12-K.Boller pass short middle to 16-D.Amendola to SF 17 for 19 yards (38-D.Goldson). PENALTY on SL-20-J.Wade, Illegal Formation, 5 yards, enforced at SF 36 - No Play.
    3-9-SF 41 (1:21) (Shotgun) 39-S.Jackson right end pushed ob at SF 41 for no gain (91-R.McDonald). -- This is where it got weird on 3rd Downs...
    4-9-SF 41 (1:11) 5-D.Jones punts 41 yards to end zone, Center-45-C.Massey, Touchback.

    St. Louis Rams at 00:32
    1-10-STL 38 (:32) 12-K.Boller pass incomplete deep right to 14-K.Burton.
    2-10-STL 38 (:26) (Shotgun) 12-K.Boller pass short right to 39-S.Jackson to SL 42 for 4 yards (32-M.Lewis). Caught at SL 40.
    Timeout #2 by SL at 00:16.
    3-6-STL 42 (:16) (Shotgun) 12-K.Boller pass short middle to 16-D.Amendola to 50 for 8 yards (38-D.Goldson).
    1-10- (:16) PENALTY on SL, Illegal Shift, 0 yards, enforced at 50 - No Play.
    END QUARTER 2


    -- 3rd Quarter --

    St. Louis Rams at 12:38
    1-10-STL 17 (12:38) 12-K.Boller sacked at SL 15 for -2 yards (sack split by 52-P.Willis and 99-M.Lawson).
    2-12-STL 15 (12:09) 39-S.Jackson right end to SL 18 for 3 yards (51-T.Spikes, 99-M.Lawson).
    3-9-STL 18 (11:32) (Shotgun) 12-K.Boller pass short middle to 39-S.Jackson to SL 26 for 8 yards (26-M.Roman). PENALTY on SL-79-J.Greco, Ineligible Downfield Pass, 5 yards, enforced at SL 18 - No Play.
    3-14-STL 13 (11:00) (Shotgun) 39-S.Jackson up the middle to SL 15 for 2 yards (94-J.Smith).
    4-12-STL 15 (10:25) 5-D.Jones punts 33 yards to SL 48, Center-45-C.Massey. 83-A.Battle MUFFS catch, ball out of bounds at SL 48. A.Battle charged with return of 0-yards and a fumble.

    St. Louis Rams at 07:03
    6-J.Nedney kicks 71 yards from SF 30 to SL -1. 16-D.Amendola to SL 18 for 19 yards (46-D.Walker).
    1-10-STL 18 (6:58) 39-S.Jackson right end to SL 18 for no gain (52-P.Willis).
    2-10-STL 18 (6:24) 12-K.Boller pass short right to 34-K.Darby to SL 20 for 2 yards (22-N.Clements).
    3-8-STL 20 (5:40) (Shotgun) 12-K.Boller pass short middle intended for 14-K.Burton INTERCEPTED by 52-P.Willis at SL 23. 52-P.Willis for 23 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

    St. Louis Rams at 05:31
    6-J.Nedney kicks 67 yards from SF 30 to SL 3. 34-K.Darby to SL 14 for 11 yards (24-M.Robinson). PENALTY on SL-47-B.Bajema, Illegal Block Above the Waist, 7 yards, enforced at SL 14.
    1-10-STL 7 (5:25) 12-K.Boller pass short right to 17-D.Avery to SL 21 for 14 yards (51-T.Spikes). SF-38-D.Goldson was injured during the play. Caught at SL 4.
    1-10-STL 21 (4:46) 12-K.Boller pass short right to 44-M.Karney to SL 20 for -1 yards (51-T.Spikes). Caught at SL 19.
    2-11-STL 20 (4:05) 12-K.Boller pass incomplete short right to 46-D.Fells.
    3-11-STL 20 (3:58) (Shotgun) 12-K.Boller pass incomplete short left to 82-R.Martin (31-D.Bly) [94-J.Smith].
    4-11-STL 20 (3:53) 5-D.Jones punts 41 yards to SF 39, Center-45-C.Massey, fair catch by 83-A.Battle.

    St. Louis Rams at 02:48
    1-10-STL 8 (2:48) 39-S.Jackson right end to SL 3 for -5 yards (99-M.Lawson). SF-99-M.Lawson was injured during the play.
    2-15-STL 3 (2:14) 39-S.Jackson right guard to SL 3 for no gain (92-A.Franklin; 51-T.Spikes).
    3-15-STL 3 (1:36) 12-K.Boller pass incomplete short right to 39-S.Jackson [94-J.Smith].
    4-15-STL 3 (1:31) 5-D.Jones punts 40 yards to SL 43, Center-45-C.Massey, downed by SL-36-Q.Butler.

    -- 4th Quarter --

    St. Louis Rams at 14:14
    6-J.Nedney kicks 70 yards from SF 30 to end zone, Touchback.
    1-10-STL 20 (14:14) 12-K.Boller pass incomplete short right to 46-D.Fells.
    2-10-STL 20 (14:08) 12-K.Boller FUMBLES (Aborted) at SL 12, RECOVERED by SF-91-R.McDonald at SL 11. 91-R.McDonald for 11 yards, TOUCHDOWN. K.Boller was attempting to handoff to D.Amendola and fumbled.

    St. Louis Rams at 14:00
    6-J.Nedney kicks 58 yards from SF 30 to SL 12. 16-D.Amendola to SL 31 for 19 yards (56-S.McKillop).
    1-10-STL 31 (13:55) 39-S.Jackson left guard to SL 38 for 7 yards (51-T.Spikes; 52-P.Willis).
    2-3-STL 38 (13:26) 39-S.Jackson left guard to SL 49 for 11 yards (38-D.Goldson). SF-31-D.Bly was injured during the play.
    1-10-STL 49 (13:01) 12-K.Boller pass short right to 17-D.Avery pushed ob at SF 40 for 11 yards (32-M.Lewis). Caught at SL 46.
    1-10-SF 40 (12:38) 12-K.Boller pass short left to 39-S.Jackson to SF 43 for -3 yards (52-P.Willis). Caught at SF 40.
    2-13-SF 43 (11:59) (Shotgun) 39-S.Jackson up the middle to SF 37 for 6 yards (22-N.Clements).
    3-7-SF 37 (11:23) (Shotgun) 12-K.Boller pass short right to 84-R.McMichael to SF 28 for 9 yards (22-N.Clements).
    1-10-SF 28 (10:44) 39-S.Jackson left tackle to SF 27 for 1 yard (92-A.Franklin; 54-M.Harris).
    2-9-SF 27 (9:57) 39-S.Jackson left end to SF 22 for 5 yards (38-D.Goldson).
    3-4-SF 22 (9:18) (Shotgun) 12-K.Boller sacked at SF 22 for 0 yards (38-D.Goldson).
    4-4-SF 22 (8:32) (Shotgun) 12-K.Boller pass incomplete deep right to 17-D.Avery.

    St. Louis Rams at 03:38
    1-10-STL 11 (3:38) 34-K.Darby right guard to SL 12 for 1 yard (92-A.Franklin).
    2-9-STL 12 (3:08) 12-K.Boller sacked at SL 4 for -8 yards (52-P.Willis).
    3-17-STL 4 (2:33) 34-K.Darby left tackle to SL 15 for 11 yards (38-D.Goldson). -- Seriously, a RUN play!?
    Two-Minute Warning
    4-6-STL 15 (2:00) 5-D.Jones punts 49 yards to SF 36, Center-45-C.Massey. 83-A.Battle MUFFS catch, recovered by SF-31-D.Bly at SF 29. 31-D.Bly to SF 30 for 1 yard (57-C.Chamberlain). D.Jones credited with 56-yard punt to SF 29.

    -- END GAME --

    Taking all of that here's what the pass/run look like for each down:

    1st Downs
    Run Attempts: 12
    Run Positive Yards: 9
    Run 1st-Down Conversion: 0
    Pass Attempts: 8
    Pass Positive Yards: 2
    Pass 1st-Down Conversion: 2
    Penalties: 1

    2nd Downs
    Run Attempts: 11
    Run Positive Yards: 8
    Run 1st-Down Conversion: 1
    Pass Attempts: 9
    Pass Positive Yards: 4
    Pass 1st-Down Conversion: 1
    Penalties: 2

    3rd Downs
    Run Attempts: 5
    Run Positive Yards: 3 (1 was a QB scramble)
    Run 1st-Down Conversion: 0
    Pass Attempts: 11
    Pass Positive Yards: 7
    Pass 1st-Down Conversion: 5
    Penalties: 3

    4th Downs
    Run Attempts: 0
    Run Positive Yards: 0
    Run 1st-Down Conversion: 0
    Pass Attempts: 1
    Pass Positive Yards: 0
    Pass 1st-Down Conversion: 0
    Penalties: 0

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    Re: One of the biggest problems this year? The Off playcalling.

    This is our second series, and this was the play call that astounded me the most in the whole game:


    St. Louis Rams at 10:35
    1-10-STL 20 (10:35) 39-S.Jackson right tackle to SL 25 for 5 yards (32-M.Lewis; 90-I.Sopoaga).
    2-5-STL 25 (10:01) 39-S.Jackson left end to SL 26 for 1 yard (52-P.Willis). PENALTY on SL-46-D.Fells, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at SL 25 - No Play.
    2-15-STL 15 (9:39) PENALTY on SL, Illegal Substitution, 5 yards, enforced at SL 15 - No Play.
    2-20-STL 10 (9:22) 39-S.Jackson up the middle to SL 16 for 6 yards (52-P.Willis).
    3-14-STL 16 (8:44) 12-K.Boller pass short right to 17-D.Avery to SL 38 for 22 yards (38-D.Goldson). Caught at SL 22.
    1-10-STL 38 (8:12) 39-S.Jackson left guard to SL 42 for 4 yards (92-A.Franklin; 51-T.Spikes).
    2-6-STL 42 (7:37) 12-K.Boller pass short right to 46-D.Fells to SF 41 for 17 yards (32-M.Lewis). Caught at SL 47.
    1-10-SF 41 (7:15) 39-S.Jackson right tackle to SF 37 for 4 yards (22-N.Clements).
    2-6-SF 37 (6:34) 12-K.Boller pass short right to 39-S.Jackson pushed ob at SF 32 for 5 yards (51-T.Spikes). Caught at SF 40.
    3-1-SF 32 (6:05) 35-S.Gado right guard to SF 33 for -1 yards (55-A.Brooks).
    4-2-SF 33 (5:22) 3-Josh.Brown 51 yard field goal is No Good, Short, Center-45-C.Massey, Holder-5-D.Jones.


    So you have a big bruising running back like Steven Jackson, but you take him out of the game on 3rd and 1 in Niner territory and give the ball to Samkon Gado, a guy who has barely been on the field all year? Terrible play call.

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    Re: One of the biggest problems this year? The Off playcalling.

    unbelievable,I saw that and said what are they doing.They need to drop Brown

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    Re: One of the biggest problems this year? The Off playcalling.

    And the little dump passes to Mike Karney? What's with that? Karney was brought in here to block for Jackson, and maybe sometimes run up the middle like a battering ram. This guy doesn't have the speed or the moves to make defenders miss like that.

    Moronic.

    And the draw plays when you get to like 2nd and 20 or 3rd and 15?! What's with that? To gain a lot of yards back, you have to go with the passing game...

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    Re: One of the biggest problems this year? The Off playcalling.

    I think the play calling is astonishingly bad, but I also think some of the fault goes to our QB's. Let's face it, this is the MO that Boller has had in his time in the NFL. The 16/35 120 yard 0TD, 1 INT stat lines aren't exactly new to Boller. He's so afraid of making mistakes that he takes the easy dump offs 90% of the time. It seems that Bulger has also started that habit because of substandard pass protection.

    While I agree that the offense has lacked any kind of imagination, there is more than one option for the QB to pass to on any given play. Ours are just taking the easy & quick ones.

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    Re: One of the biggest problems this year? The Off playcalling.

    Quote Originally Posted by CT_RamsFan View Post
    unbelievable,I saw that and said what are they doing.They need to drop Brown
    Brown? which Brown?
    Ive seen no reason to dump Jason Brown, he always looks solid in his blocks
    Josh Brown hasnt been doing it this year, but then i cant remember him having many chances to kick

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    Re: One of the biggest problems this year? The Off playcalling.

    Embarrassing. My blind neighbor can call better plays than this...
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    Devaney, if you care about this team... fire the offensive coordinator!!!!

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    Re: One of the biggest problems this year? The Off playcalling.

    Quote Originally Posted by tomahawk
    3-1-SF 32 (6:05) 35-S.Gado right guard to SF 33 for -1 yards (55-A.Brooks).
    Rather surprising call to me. The box was loaded. Everyone in the stadium knew it was coming. And the Rams don't even have their best option in the game.

    Head scratcher indeed.
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    Re: One of the biggest problems this year? The Off playcalling.

    Quote Originally Posted by RockinRam View Post

    And the draw plays when you get to like 2nd and 20 or 3rd and 15?! What's with that? To gain a lot of yards back, you have to go with the passing game...
    Yea, and in order to successfully do a draw, you need to have established the passing game... It seemed as if he was just randomly picking plays.

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    Re: One of the biggest problems this year? The Off playcalling.

    The play calling is horrendous, but a reflection of the complete lack of talent we have on the offensive side of the ball. The line stinks and doesn't protect. Our receivers are not a deep threat and can't get separation, thus we don't take chances downfield. The quarterbacks are skittish. On third and long, it's obvious the coaches have little faith in all of the above, so they run meaningless draws and high percentage dumpoffs designed to get nothing.

    You saw what happened when the Rams tried to get cute with the end around- gimmickry isn't the answer either.

    The Rams approach won't waiver all season: rely on the defense to keep it close and respectable and hope like hell the offense can avoid turnovers while playing it close to the vest. Until we get some playmakers, it won't change.

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