Over rated players????

*BEER* · #1 (**permalink**) -20-02-2008

Who is the most over rated players for the Rams? Here is my list...
First go's to Bulger. Has no arm past 30 yards.

Second go's to Pisa. Always hurt, over and under runs plays. And to small.

Chaves? Just sucks, plain and simple..

Coach, SL. He has no respect from the players. Talks to himself on the
sidelines.??

:\:\:\ Anyways who do think is the most over rated??

*Drew* · #2 (**permalink**) -20-02-2008

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Originally Posted by BEER

Who is the most over rated players for the Rams? Here is my list...
First go's to Bulger. Has no arm past 30 yards.

:\:\:\

yeah we should trade him for culpepper, he can throw the ball 30 yards and get intentional grounding penalties all the time when the line wont hold up long enough for our "speedster" WR`s to get downfield and open...

*moloch41* · #3 (**permalink**) -21-02-2008

Offense: Not really sure we had anyone that was rated high to begin with...

Defense: I'll agree on Pisa- Chillar too. He's really only had one good season with us and it came in a contract year.

Coach: Haslett- people wanted this guy for head coach. I say he should put out something better than a subpar defense before we nominate him for that.

*jquarando* · #4 (**permalink**) -21-02-2008

You guys are nuts if you think bulger has a weak arm. Not more than 2 years ago he was rated as having the best deep ball in the whole nfl. I wish I still had espn insider to pull out the link. Im pretty sure it was kc joyner article if anyone wants to pull it out of the insider archives.

*BrokenWing* · #5 (**permalink**) -21-02-2008

No arm past 30 yards? Alright, let's look at that.

According to the NFL website:

In 2007 Bulger made one completion for over 40+ yards, 29 at 20+ yards. Given that he played in 12 games and there were very few plays called with passing routes out to 40+ yards that's an understandable number.

2006: 60 passes for 20+ yards, 10 for 40+ yards.

Games played- 16

2005: 25 for 20+ yards, 3 for 40+ yards.

Games played- 8

2004: 56 for 20+ yards, 6 for 40+ yards.

Games played- 14

2003: 59 for 20+ yards, 5 for 40+ yards.

Games played- 15

2002: 26 for 20+ yards, 6 for 40+ yards.

Games played- 7

Marc Bulger's longest pass is for 67 yards (wee bit over 30 isn't it?).

Oh and just to check something other than yards:

Bulger's QB ratings:

2007: 70.3
2006: 92.9
2005: 94.4
2004: 93.7
2003: 81.4
2002: 101.5

Now, let's look at Brett Favre's numbers, since he is known for his arm strength:

2007: 49 for 20+ yards, 16 for 40+ yards.
2006: 49 for 20+ yards, 8 for 40+ yards.
2005: 40 for 20+ yards, 7 for 40+ yards.
2004: 50 for 20+ yards, 12 for 40+ yards.
2003: 42 for 20+ yards, 7 for 40+ yards.
2002: 39 for 20+ yards, 7 for 40+ yards.

Longest pass: 99 yards.

The two players actually compare fairly evenly in the 20+ yard range except for one or two years. Favre beats Bulger by about 3 or 4 on most years in the 40+ yard range, sometimes less, sometimes more.

So compared to arguably the strongest passer in the entire league, Bulger actually looks fairly good at long range passes. His 40+ yard passes are lower on average, but his 20+ yard passes are about the same over the same period of years, again with one or two exceptions. Brett Favre's longest pass is well beyond the longest pass thrown by Bulger, but the actual air time of the pass was not 99 yards and was I believe closer to 40-60. Bulger's longest pass spent a vast majority of its time in the air.

So generally speaking, no, Bulger does not have the arm strength of Brett Favre (so, arguably the strongest arm in the league) but he does have enough arm strength to look pretty good when compared to him.

Bulger's current average QB rating is 88.1, and that's coming off a bad year.

Brett's average rating is 85 and that's after a great year.

When compared further, Marc's highest rating was 101.1 (although with only 7 games) and he has had 4 years with a rating of 90+ (with about 6 years in the league) where as Brett Favre has breached 90 7 times after 16 years starting and never recieved a rating reaching the 100 mark.

So with less than half the years of Brett Favre, Marc Bulger has already closed to within 3 of Favre's total 90+ ratings and spent a majority of his 6 years recieving a 90+ with an average completion rating of about 60.

I'm sorry, how is he over rated exactly?

*BrokenWing* · #6 (**permalink**) -21-02-2008

Oh and since I just know someone who hates Bulger because of Warner will say his arm is weaker than Warner's...

Warner:

2007: 44 20+ yards, 5 40+ yards.
2006: 15 20+ yards, 5 40 + yards.
2005: 37 20+ yards, 4 40+ yards.
1999: 60 20+ yards, 16 40+ yards.
2000: 49 20+ yards, 14 40+ yards.
2001: 81 20+ yards, 11 40+ yards.

Note the huge drop off in long distance passes after the GSOT era. Are his numbers so high because of the system and it's reliance on the deep pass, or because he has an amazing arm?

Warner is great QB though and just for fun, have a look at his QB rating:

93.2 Career.

**laram0** · #7 (**permalink**) -21-02-2008

The stats for passes of 20+ and 40+ yards can be misleading. For instance YAC (yards after the catch) has to be taken into consideration. For example: A 1 yard pass (actual distance the ball is in the air) could end up being a 60 yard gain.

*BEER* · #8 (**permalink**) -21-02-2008

The rating is twisted! If you only throw the ball down field twice a game,
of course the rating is high. And once a game is more truthfull. In 4 years
the only deep balls i remember were aginst the seahawks. Then we got
woopped aginst Atlanta in the playoffs.

**laram0** · #9 (**permalink**) -21-02-2008

Most Overrated = Drew Bennett. At least for last season.

*Mooselini* · #10 (**permalink**) -21-02-2008

Drew Bennett
Orlando Pace
Corey Chavous
Pisa Tinoisamoa
Brandon Chillar

*BEER* · #11 (**permalink**) -21-02-2008

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Originally Posted by laram0

Most Overrated = Drew Bennett. At least for last season.

For sure...LOL. I forgot that one..That goes down as one or the worst
off season changes ever i think...Chaaa chaaaa ching...$$$

*RAMarkable* · #12 (**permalink**) -21-02-2008

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Originally Posted by BrokenWing

Oh and since I just know someone who hates Bulger because of Warner will say his arm is weaker than Warner's...

Warner:

2007: 44 20+ yards, 5 40+ yards.
2006: 15 20+ yards, 5 40 + yards.
2005: 37 20+ yards, 4 40+ yards.
1999: 60 20+ yards, 16 40+ yards.
2000: 49 20+ yards, 14 40+ yards.
2001: 81 20+ yards, 11 40+ yards.

Note the huge drop off in long distance passes after the GSOT era. Are his numbers so high because of the system and it's reliance on the deep pass, or because he has an amazing arm?

Warner is great QB though and just for fun, have a look at his QB rating:

93.2 Career.

Well, from all of this analysis I guess we can conclude that Mark Bulger does NOT, in fact, have a BrokenWing.

WHAT SAY YE?

*Goldenfleece* · #13 (**permalink**) -21-02-2008

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Originally Posted by laram0

The stats for passes of 20+ and 40+ yards can be misleading. For instance YAC (yards after the catch) has to be taken into consideration. For example: A 1 yard pass (actual distance the ball is in the air) could end up being a 60 yard gain.

Since when do we get yards after the catch?

In all seriousness, though, Bulger does throw a fine deep ball. You may remember when we attempted a hail mary to the endzone at the end of a half last season (I forget which game), and Bulger threw from our side of the 50 into the endzone. It was an incompletion, but it hit our receiver right on in the middle of a crowd. He couldn't come down with the ball, but it was a beautiful pass. I think we didn't go deep as much last season because the line wasn't holding up. We actually had some success with the deep ball during that first ***** game, except Bulger was taking so many hits that he got his ribs cracked.

Anyway, as for my over-rated players:

Orlando Pace - Over and over I hear about how he is really not that old, and he can keep on playing until he is 35. I want to see it. I don't think he is a bad player, but I do think there are people out there that are still saying he's one of the best three tackles in the league. That used to be true, but today that's what earns him the over-rated tag.

Derek Stanley/Marques Hagans - I think Stanley might be an exciting return man, but let's not get ahead of ourselves and start talking about either of these guys as future starters.

Alex Barron - Not so much in this forum, but sometimes I'll see articles where they'll claim he showed enough at left tackle to make people think he might work there. No, he showed us why we need to get someone who will be able to play left tackle down the road.

It's harder for me to name guys on the defense who are "over-rated" because so many of the guys have already taken so much flak.

*Chris58* · #14 (**permalink**) -21-02-2008

Over-rated Offensive player: Orlando Pace. He's living on past glory. Until we can have him for a complete season, it's hard to say that he has anything left in the tank. At his age and and his injury history......?

Defense player: Leonard Little. I don't see him as anything other than a good linebacker for a 3-4 defense where he can rush the passer. His run defense is below average IMO. Age and injury have taken the speed rush away.

Coach: definitely Haslett. Linehan had no rating to over-rate when he took the head coaching job. Haslett had the supposed pedigree from being the DC at Pittsburgh and the HC at NO. So far, it hasn't translated into anything of note for the Rams.

**HUbison** · #15 (**permalink**) -21-02-2008

Gentlemen.........how could anybody on this team be overrated? All year long they played like crap, and were rated as.....well, crap. Nobody on this team is overrated.