All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:16 AM.
Home Contact us FAQ

ClanRam
2008 Schedule
Regular Season
9/7 Eagles L 3 - 38
9/14 Giants L 13-41
9/21 Seahawks L 13-37
9/28 Bills L 14-31
10/5
BYE
 
10/12 Redskins W 19-17
10/19 Cowboys W 34-14
10/26 Patriots L 16-23
11/10 Cardinals L 13-34
11/10 Jets L 3-47
11/16 Whiners L 16-35
11/23 Bears L 3-27
11/30 Dolphins L 12-16
12/7 Cardinals - 3:15pm
12/14 Seahawks - Noon
12/21 Whiners - Noon
12/28 Falcons - Noon
All times Central
Score in italics: Overtime

Go Back   The ClanRam Forums > THE 2008 SEASON > RAM TALK

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old -16-03-2005
Nick's Avatar
Nick
Status: Online
Superbowl MVP
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Morgantown, WV
Age: 26
Posts: 11,794
Rep Power: 42
Nick has a reputation beyond reputeNick has a reputation beyond reputeNick has a reputation beyond reputeNick has a reputation beyond reputeNick has a reputation beyond reputeNick has a reputation beyond reputeNick has a reputation beyond reputeNick has a reputation beyond reputeNick has a reputation beyond reputeNick has a reputation beyond reputeNick has a reputation beyond repute
PD gives some updates on Rams' latest offer to Pace

Rams raise offer to Pace
By Jim Thomas
Of the Post-Dispatch
Tuesday, Mar. 15 2005

If you put general managers from all 32 NFL teams in one room and asked them to
decide among Orlando Pace, Walter Jones and Jonathan Ogden as the league's best
left tackle - it would be quite a discussion.

The three players are that comparable, and that close in skill. It is only
fitting then, that the seven-year, $52.8 million contract Pace is expected to
sign today with the Rams is on the same wavelength as the contracts for
Seattle's Jones and Baltimore's Ogden.

Under the Rams' third contract offer - a revised proposal made Tuesday morning
- Pace will receive:

-$18 million in signing bonus and base salary in Year 1, compared
with $17.7 million for Jones.

-$22 million in the first two years, compared with $21.7 million for
Jones.

-$26 million in the first three years, compared with $26.7 million
for Jones.

In addition, the overall value of the deal is slightly above Jones' $52.5
million deal.

As for Ogden, Pace will receive $2 million more than Ogden three years into the
deal, and $1 million more than Ogden after four years.

None of this was true just 24 hours earlier, under the Rams' previous contract
offer. The Rams were offering Pace $5 million less than Jones after three
years, according to a source familiar with the negotiations. And that was a big
sticking point with Pace and his agents.

For NFL players, money received early in a multi-year contract is important,
because unlike other sports, yearly base salaries aren't guaranteed in
football. That's a particularly important consideration for Jones, 31, because
he will be 38 at the end of his seven-year deal with Seattle. The same is true
for Pace, who turns 30 in November, and would be 37 at the end of a seven-year
deal. They may not see the end of their deals.

So Pace visited the Houston Texans, the Texans made a contract offer, and Pace
hinted broadly about the possibility of a change of scenery. But the landscape
changed Tuesday morning with the Rams' latest - and what one team official
insists is their last - contract offer.

"This is it," the official said. "He takes it; or he doesn't take it."

If Pace does the unexpected, and doesn't take it, it won't be because of
economic issues. It will be because he simply doesn't want to play for the
Rams.

Rams officials remained cautious Tuesday. Pace and his agent neither accepted
nor rejected the proposal when it was presented. Perhaps Pace wanted to sleep
on it.

But the Rams are facing a real deadline today. If all the paperwork on any deal
isn't signed, sealed and delivered to the NFL office by 3 p.m., the Rams would
lose the right to use the franchise tag on any player for the length of Pace's
contract.

And going seven years without having a franchise tag designation at their
disposal is not something the Rams are willing to do. So simply stated, if the
deal's not completed by 3 p.m., there's no deal. And if that's the case, per
league rules, the Rams and Pace's agents can't negotiate again for the next
four months.

In the absence of a contract, team president John Shaw was emphatic Tuesday
that the Rams would not trade Pace to the Texans or anyone else.

"We're not going to trade him," Shaw said. "Let them do an offer sheet. We have
no interest in trading him."

Which is a change from the Rams' stance just three weeks ago.

"We put some feelers out," Shaw said. "It had to be a big-time deal. Really, I
had one conversation with Ernie (Accorsi), and there was never really that much
of a discussion about it."

Accorsi is the New York Giants' general manager.

"The Giants felt like they didn't have enough firepower to trade, so we didn't
discuss it," Shaw said.

If the Texans or anyone else signs Pace to an offer sheet, the Rams have the
opportunity to match the contract - keeping Pace in St. Louis.

And as Shaw said Tuesday, "I can't imagine that Houston's paying him more than
we're offering him. Who knows?"
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old -16-03-2005
HUbison's Avatar
HUbison
Status: Online
Superbowl MVP
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Missouri
Age: 34
Posts: 9,159
Rep Power: 43
HUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond repute
Re: PD gives some updates on Rams' latest offer to Pace

Quote:
Under the Rams' third contract offer - a revised proposal made Tuesday morning
- Pace will receive:

-$18 million in signing bonus and base salary in Year 1, compared
with $17.7 million for Jones.

-$22 million in the first two years, compared with $21.7 million for
Jones.

-$26 million in the first three years, compared with $26.7 million
for Jones.

In addition, the overall value of the deal is slightly above Jones' $52.5
million deal.
Why? Why? Why all the drama? Jones has been signed for a month now. This entire board said (within minutes of the signing) that the Rams should offer a deal at or slightly above Jones and we can get this done. So now a month, 2 trade rumors, and a trip to Texas later, Pace is (allegedly) ready to sign the exact deal that all of Ramdom has been screaming for. Now I'm sure they had to go through the motions of negotiations, but is there anyone that thought this deal would get done for anything other than this?

So to the Rams FO, I ask again...why the drama?
__________________
"The greatest evil is conceived and ordered in clean offices, by men with white collars. Hence, my symbol for Hell is the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern." --- C. S. Lewis

"Dr. Lewis, allow me to introduce to you, Mr Shaw & Jay Zygmunt.....oh, I see you've already met." HUbison
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old -16-03-2005
cowboyhater's Avatar
cowboyhater
Status: Offline
Made the Ram Roster (just)
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Rockford, Illinois
Posts: 425
Rep Power: 5
cowboyhater - will become famous soon enoughcowboyhater - will become famous soon enough
Re: PD gives some updates on Rams' latest offer to Pace

<i>So to the Rams FO, I ask again...why the drama?</i>
<br><br>
I think it is standard operating procedure. If the Rams put their best offer on the table first, it is natural for Pace's agent to think he could get a bit more. In any event, the agent almost HAS to get more than is offered to show he is earning his pay. Also, after years of the Postons making outrageous demands, I don't blame the Rams for low-balling. The Rams didn't blast the Postons for going high, but for going so high there was no where to negotiate in good faith. So, the Rams put forth an offer, and it got negotiated to the right spot just before the end of the negotiating period. I'm fine with it. If Pace is a grown up, he'll be fine with it too, as he takes his $18,000,000 paycheck to the bank.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old -16-03-2005
SFCRamFan's Avatar
SFCRamFan
Status: Online
Veteran Ram
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Is it Missouri or Missoura?
Age: 43
Posts: 929
Rep Power: 7
SFCRamFan is a jewel in the roughSFCRamFan is a jewel in the roughSFCRamFan is a jewel in the rough
Re: PD gives some updates on Rams' latest offer to Pace

I believe, short of getting a monumental amount in a trade, they were trying to see how cheaply that they could go. Pace and his new agents called their bluff and stood firm. However, I think that we could have reached this point a week or two ago and saved some of the last minute theatrics... :ramlogo:
__________________


You got paid, so go get 'em big man...
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old -16-03-2005
HUbison's Avatar
HUbison
Status: Online
Superbowl MVP
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Missouri
Age: 34
Posts: 9,159
Rep Power: 43
HUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond reputeHUbison has a reputation beyond repute
Re: PD gives some updates on Rams' latest offer to Pace

Quote:
Originally Posted by SFCRamFan
I believe, short of getting a monumental amount in a trade, they were trying to see how cheaply that they could go. Pace and his new agents called their bluff and stood firm. However, I think that we could have reached this point a week or two ago and saved some of the last minute theatrics... :ramlogo:
Exactly. This could have been done a month ago, and we could have had a more clear picture going into the FA period.
Quote:
Originally Posted by cowboy
I'm fine with it. If Pace is a grown up, he'll be fine with it too, as he takes his $18,000,000 paycheck to the bank.
I'm sure we're all fine with it. But I'm also sure we would have been more fine with it a month ago so that we could have had this wrapped up before FA period began.

Yea, there's negotiations, and I'm sure they started lower than Jones to open up with, but I'm also sure that both sides knew where the meeting point was and could have gotten there a long time ago.
__________________
"The greatest evil is conceived and ordered in clean offices, by men with white collars. Hence, my symbol for Hell is the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern." --- C. S. Lewis

"Dr. Lewis, allow me to introduce to you, Mr Shaw & Jay Zygmunt.....oh, I see you've already met." HUbison
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old -16-03-2005
moklerman's Avatar
moklerman
Status: Offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Bakersfield, CA
Age: 37
Posts: 1,600
Rep Power: 12
moklerman is a splendid one to beholdmoklerman is a splendid one to beholdmoklerman is a splendid one to beholdmoklerman is a splendid one to beholdmoklerman is a splendid one to beholdmoklerman is a splendid one to behold
Re: PD gives some updates on Rams' latest offer to Pace

I don't know if I'm alright with the idea of having the highest paid offensive lineman in the league. It doesn't seem like good cap management to me. This isn't against Pace, I wouldn't be terribly comfortable if I was a Colts fan and I had to stomach the idea of paying one player (Peyton Manning) $100 million dollars. Pace's deal will be for less than that but isn't he going to be a huge hit on the cap? Less than if he was franchised, but still.

The Rams NEED Pace on the left side but I'm still not convinced that the money wouldn't be better spent distributed throughout the offensive line.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:16 AM.

 

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.1.0
ClanRam.com is an independent fan site and not associated with the St Louis Rams or the NFL (National Football League). All content within this Rams fan page is provided by, and for, Rams fans. Copyright © ClanRam.com