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    Re: Peter King mentions turnover of Rams roster

    I like the fact that fans are cool and calm just now, wait till the first game. When the Rams, competing as hard as they can but still getiing on the wrong side of the score board. I just hope that those calm and cool heads will still be there and that fans DO remember that this is now a new franshise with a new direction. That sort of thing takes time, I am afraid. As Bernie says, this team is an expancion team .... kind of true I suppose.



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    Re: Peter King mentions turnover of Rams roster

    Quote Originally Posted by laram0 View Post
    60.4% turnover? What does that say about DeSpags?!
    I think you need a much more complex formula than a a simple percentage to calculate that but let's start with the simple numbers:

    Don't most NFL teams turn over about 20-25% of their roster every year ?

    I haven't made a scientific study of it but I'd bet that number goes even higher when there's a regime change; the Their Guys vs Our Guys factor, & that tells you nothing definite about the prior regime until you see how the guys who were let go fare elsewhere & how their replacements do with The Rams.In some cases, it's gonna have nothing to do with talent but merely a reflection of different schemes requiring different skill sets.

    Even if you want to continue with the simplistic %s , consider that the 39.6% retained by the new regime includes about half the projected starters, many at key spots & on whom most fans would say success in the near future depends, and a number of projected significant contributors. I seriously doubt that was true at the start of the first full DeSpags year of 2009. and two, SJ and Long, are critical carryovers that pre-date both regimes.

    And you've gotta be waterboarding yourself with the Kool-Aid to not see that the other half of the new projected starters/significant contributors are made up of a pretty equal number of guys to the DeSpags 2009 roster who are complete unknowns,obvious stop gaps, and injury gambles.Younger is a fact, better is a projection.

    I think there are plenty of reasons to believe that the Fisher/Snead Rams are starting from a much stronger position than DeSpags did in terms of talent & undoubtedly better off in salary cap terms.
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    Re: Peter King mentions turnover of Rams roster

    Quote Originally Posted by RamDez View Post
    I like the fact that fans are cool and calm just now, wait till the first game. When the Rams, competing as hard as they can but still getiing on the wrong side of the score board. I just hope that those calm and cool heads will still be there and that fans DO remember that this is now a new franshise with a new direction. That sort of thing takes time, I am afraid. As Bernie says, this team is an expancion team .... kind of true I suppose.
    Dez, I don't think people will mind the Rams losing if they are competing as hard as they can. That's not necessarily what we have seen over the past few years though, especially last year.

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    Re: Peter King mentions turnover of Rams roster

    Quote Originally Posted by Azul e Oro View Post
    Don't most NFL teams turn over about 20-25% of their roster every year?

    I haven't made a scientific study of it but I'd bet that number goes even higher when there's a regime change...


    ...The other half of the new projected starters/significant contributors are made up of a pretty equal number of guys to the DeSpags 2009 roster who are complete unknowns,obvious stop gaps, and injury gambles. Younger is a fact, better is a projection.

    I think there are plenty of reasons to believe that the Fisher/Snead Rams are starting from a much stronger position than DeSpags did in terms of talent & undoubtedly better off in salary cap terms.

    Good points AeO!

    BTW, speaking of the R A M S>R O S T E R, here it is as of today, Tuesday Sept. 04:

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ACTIVE

    No. > Name >>>>>>>>>> Pos. >Ht > Wt > Age>Exp. > College

    16 >>Amendola, Danny > WR >5-11 >188> 26 >>3>>> Texas Tech
    80 >>Bradford, Sam >>>>QB > 6-4>>224 >24 > 3>>> Oklahoma
    90>> Brockers, Michael>>DT > 6-6 >>322 >21 > R>>> LSU
    52 >>Cole, Justin>>>>>> LB > 6-3 >>242 >24 > 3 >>>San Jose State
    71 >>Conrath, Matthew>>DT > 6-7 >>290 >23 > R >>>Virginia
    93 >>Cudjo, Jermelle >>>DT > 6-2 >>311 >25 > 3 >>>Central Oklahoma
    43 >>Dahl, Craig >>>>>> S >>6-1 >>212 >27 > 5 >>>North Dakota State
    62 >>Dahl, Harvey >>>>>G >>6-5 >>308 >31 > 6 >>> Nevada-Reno
    37 >>Daniels, Matthew>> DB>>6-1 >>211 >22 >R >>> Duke
    9 >>>Davis, Austin >>>>>QB> 6-2 >>221 >23 > R >>>Southern Mississippi
    58 >>Dunbar, Jo-Lonn >>>LB> 6-0 >>226 >27 > 4 >>> Boston College
    31 >>Finnegan, Cortland> CB> 5-10>>188 >28 > 7 >>> Samford
    32 >>Fletcher, Bradley >> CB> 6-0 >>200 >26 > 4 >>> Iowa
    42 >>Ganaway, Terrance> RB >6-1 >>240 >23>>R >>> Baylor
    11 >>Gibson, Brandon >>>WR >6-0 >>210 >25 > 4 >>>Washington State
    13 >>Givens, Chris >>>>>WR >6-0 >>198 >22 > R >>> Wake Forest
    51 >>Haggan, Mario >>>> LB > 6-3 >>274 >32 >10 >>>Mississippi State
    95 >>Hayes, William >>>>DE > 6-3 >>272 >27 > 5 >>> Winston-Salem State
    72 >>Heard, Kellen >>>>>DT > 6-6 >>339 >26 > 2 >>> Memphis
    6 >>>Hekker, John >>>>> P >>6-5 >>227 >22 > R >>> Oregon State
    56 >>Hull, Josh >>>>>>> SLB >6-3 >>245 >25 > 2 >>> Penn State
    78 >>Hunter, Wayne >>>> T>> 6-5 >> 318 >31 > 9 >>>Hawaii
    39 >>Jackson, Steven >>> RB > 6-2 >> 240 >29 > 9 >>>Oregon State
    21 >>Jenkins, Janoris >>> CB> 5-10 >>193 >23 > R >> North Alabama
    22 >>Johnson, Trumaine > CB>>6-2 >> 204 >22 > R >> Montana
    88 >>Kendricks, Lance>>> TE>>6-3 >> 247 >24 > 2 >> Wisconsin
    98 >>Langford, Kendall>>>DE>>6-6 >>295 >26 > 5 >>>Hampton
    55 >>Laurinaitis, James>> LB>> 6-2 >>250 >25 > 4 >>>Ohio State
    91 >>Long, Chris >>>>>> DE>>>6-3 >>276 >27 > 5 >> Virginia
    52 >>McIntosh, Rocky>>> LB>>>6-2 >>242 >29 > 6 >> Miami (Fla.)
    38 >>McLeod, Rodney>>>>S>>>5-11>> 183 >22 > R >> Virginia
    89 >>McNeill, Mike>>>>> TE>>> 6-4 >> 235 >24 > 2 >> Nebraska
    44 >>McQuaide, Jake >>> LS>>> 6-2 >> 247 >24 > 2 >> Ohio State
    27 >>Mikell, Quintin >>>> DB>>>5-10>>204 >31 >10 >> Boise State
    49 >>Miller, Brit>>>>>>> RB>>> 6-0 >> 253 >25 > 4 >> Illinois
    82 >>Mulligan, Matthew>>TE >>> 6-4 >>265 >27 > 4 >> Maine
    65 >>Nsekhe, Ty>>>>>>> T>>>> 6-8 >>325 >26 > R >> Texas Tech
    24 >>Pead, Isaiah >>>>>>RB>>> 5-11 > 200 > 22 >R >> Cincinnati
    33 >>Pointer, Quinton >>>DB>>> 5-9 >>195 > 24 > R >> UNLV
    83 >>Quick, Brian >>>>>>WR>>>6-3 >>220 > 23 > R >> Appalachian State
    94 >>Quinn, Robert >>>>>DE >>>6-4 >>264 > 22 >2 >>>North Carolina
    79 >>Richardson, Barry>> OT >>> 6-6 >>319 > 26 > 5 >>Clemson
    26 >>Richardson, Daryl >> RB >>>5-10>>196 > 22 > R >>Abilene Christian
    76 >>Saffold, Rodger >>>> T>>>>6-5>>>314> 24 > 3 >> Indiana
    97 >>Scott, Darell >>>>>>DT>>> 6-3>>>317> 26 > 4 >> Clemson
    92 >>Sims, Eugene >>>>>DE >>> 6-6 >> 265> 26 > 3 >>West Texas A&M
    71 >>Smith, Shelley >>>>>G >>> 6-4>>>297 >25 > 3 >> Colorado State
    12 >>Smith, Steve >>>>> WR>>> 5-11>> 195 > 27 >6 >> USC
    20 >>Stewart, Darian >>>> S >>>5-11>> 214 > 24 > 3 >>South Carolina
    59 >>Turner, Robert >>>> C/G >> 6-4 >> 308 > 28 > 4 >>New Mexico
    73 >>Watkins, Rokevious >>G>>> 6-3 >> 338 > 23 > R >>South Carolina
    63 >>Wells, Scott >>>>>>>C >>> 6-2 >> 300 > 31 > 9 >>Tennessee
    4 >> Zuerlein, Greg >>>>>>K>>> 6-0 >> 187 > 24 > R >>Missouri Western
    _________________________________________________

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Age Avg -24.8 years old
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Exp Avg>3.2 years
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rookies >17 (32%)

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    Re: Peter King mentions turnover of Rams roster

    I do not expect any miracles this year. This article affirms what I have felt since end of last year. I stick with my prediction of 4 victories this year BUT I do expect to see fundamentals pick up and bone head errors go down. If we play competitive football, week in and week out, I will be happy.

    I think next year, if the above progress is made could be a season where we could really come out and do some damage.

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    Re: Peter King mentions turnover of Rams roster

    I dunno... looking at the list of schools that our players come from don't exactly make me feel all warm and fuzzy. I know each guy is different and neither school nor conference, and not even FBS/FCS always makes a difference. However, I find it somewhat worrysome that we feature very few players from the typical powerhouse schools and from the SEC in general.

    We have more players(2) who played at Virginia last year than we do players who played at either BCS Championship team... at any time(Brockers).

    I hope that it's just a funny thing I noticed... but when the SEC fields teams that might have more claim to be an NFL team than...well... us, not having a lot of their players is possibly worth noting.
    I believe!

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    Re: Peter King mentions turnover of Rams roster

    Teke, in years past i cant even recall 1 sec player we even drafted. Me and a friend have had this convo after every draft in recent memory. We have complained to each other about the lack of sec players, skill players, and fast players that the rams draft. Even though we drafted just 2 this year, thaat is 2 more than the past 3yrs or maybe more.

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    Re: Peter King mentions turnover of Rams roster

    Just keep in mind that just because they played well in the SEC doesn't mean they are any good.
    See: Danny Wuerffel, JaMarcus Russell

    Meanwhile, Brett Favre went to Southern Miss and Jerry Rice played for Mississippi Valley State

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    Re: Peter King mentions turnover of Rams roster

    Where one went to college often has little bearing on their future prospects as a pro. We have drafted plenty of guys over the years from big schools who completely sucked. Tye Hill, Jimmy Kennedy, Adam Carriker, Bill Hawkins, Frank Stams, Alex Barron and on and on. Meanwhile a guy like London Fletcher- John Carroll State College- is still going strong.Tim Tebow is regarded as one of the best players in the history of college football, went to an SEC school, yet is a marginal pro, at best.

    TALENT is the name of the game, and you can find it in places other than the SEC.
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    Re: Peter King mentions turnover of Rams roster

    Quote Originally Posted by NJ Ramsfan1 View Post
    Where one went to college often has little bearing on their future prospects as a pro. We have drafted plenty of guys over the years from big schools who completely sucked. Tye Hill, Jimmy Kennedy, Adam Carriker, Bill Hawkins, Frank Stams, Alex Barron and on and on. Meanwhile a guy like London Fletcher- John Carroll State College- is still going strong.Tim Tebow is regarded as one of the best players in the history of college football, went to an SEC school, yet is a marginal pro, at best.

    TALENT is the name of the game, and you can find it in places other than the SEC.
    Deacon Jones came from Mississippi Vocational College (now Mississippi Valley State U).

    Granted, these athletes from little / unknown schools and that eventually become HOFamers in the NFL are rarely discovered.

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