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    A QB needs elite, game-breaking WRs to be successful... or does he?

    Tom Brady. 2010 NFL MVP.

    He needed elite, game-breaking WRs to achieve that feat, right?

    Um... not so much. His top 4 receivers: Wes Welker, Deion Branch, Aaron Hernandez and Rob Gronkowski.

    Now, I'm not saying Sam Bradford is Tom Brady (yet), and we don't know how the Rams' rookies and second year players will pan out, but...

    Does anyone here want to argue that some combination of Amendola, Avery, Clayton, Pettis, Salas, Alexander, Gibson Gilyard, Kendricks and Hoomanawanui CAN'T be as good (or even better) than those four?

    Do you think maybe there's a plan here?
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    re: A QB needs elite, game-breaking WRs to be successful... or does he?

    I think he has something up his sleeve. That or he doesn't like what he sees in our current receiving corp. He has a plan and I hope his plan works. It does look like he doesn't need speed in our receivers, except for avery.

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    re: A QB needs elite, game-breaking WRs to be successful... or does he?

    To be an elite QB you need two things out of your receivers. 1) For them to be able to catch the ball. 2) For them to create seperation. Receivers do not need to be fast to do either of those things.

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    Re: A QB needs elite, game-breaking WRs to be successful... or does he?

    Man, catching the pass, that's crazy talk.

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    Re: A QB needs elite, game-breaking WRs to be successful... or does he?

    You can't compare Tom Brady to any quarterback in the modern era for 3 reasons.

    #1 he inherited a super bowl roster when we took over as QB.

    #2 He is probably the greatest quarterback to ever play the game, and lucky enough to have one of the greatest offense coaches of all time.

    #3 The Patriots have one of the best Front Offices in football that get to handpick there free agents.


    Bradford is just starting and our coaching staff is stilll building up...and our FO has been below average since our last good run in 2005.

    It should not take from 2005 to 2011 to turn a team around....FO stinks over last 5 years one of the worst.

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    Re: A QB needs elite, game-breaking WRs to be successful... or does he?

    Brady is nt the greatest QB to play the game. Not really even close, in my book.

    Quote Originally Posted by richtree View Post
    It should not take from 2005 to 2011 to turn a team around....FO stinks over last 5 years one of the worst.
    That is a ridiculous statement. What does Stan Kroenke (2010), Steve Spagnuolo (2009) and Billy Devaney (2008 when he began to have real power) have to do with 2005-2008?

    This is essentially year 3 of this regime. If you can't see the progress, you're just not looking.

    Of course NONE OF THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH MY ORIGINAL POST WHICH YOU CONVENIENTLY AVOIDED.

    The point is, the Patriots have been very effective passing the ball without a 6'2, 210 lb. WR who runs a 4.3. They use a combination of small guys (Welker, Branch) and sure handed TEs (Gronkowski, Hernandez) in a system that works. This is the same system the Rams are implementing, so maybe there's method to what you see as madness in the selection of receivers.

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    Re: A QB needs elite, game-breaking WRs to be successful... or does he?

    I think so things are lost in this thread.

    #1 That NE team didn't win anything.

    #2 Rob Gronkowski is probably the 2nd best Tight End in the league starting this year - a physical freak, still young and 6-6 he can block and catch.

    #3 Brady is probably the best QB in history

    #4 Bill Billichick is top 5 coach of all time (focus on offense)

    #5 Pats front office gets draft picks and makes good picks year after year.....

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    Re: A QB needs elite, game-breaking WRs to be successful... or does he?

    sorry for double kind of post....

    but firstly, Tom Brady is the exception...not the rule...

    secondly, it depends what you feel successful is.....

    You preach Vick has not been successful but yet I think he has the most successful QB in the league not to win a Super Bowl...

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    Re: A QB needs elite, game-breaking WRs to be successful... or does he?

    Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.
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    Re: A QB needs elite, game-breaking WRs to be successful... or does he?

    Quote Originally Posted by 01d 0rd3r View Post
    To be an elite QB you need two things out of your receivers. 1) For them to be able to catch the ball. 2) For them to create seperation. Receivers do not need to be fast to do either of those things.
    You forgot something... A QB also needs his his receivers to be on the field, not on the DL.

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    Re: A QB needs elite, game-breaking WRs to be successful... or does he?

    Does anyone here want to argue that some combination of Amendola, Avery, Clayton, Pettis, Salas, Alexander, Gibson Gilyard, Kendricks and Hoomanawanui CAN'T be as good (or even better) than those four?

    Here's the short answer -- not unless they all get traded to the Patriots.

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    Re: A QB needs elite, game-breaking WRs to be successful... or does he?

    Quote Originally Posted by richtree View Post
    Does anyone here want to argue that some combination of Amendola, Avery, Clayton, Pettis, Salas, Alexander, Gibson Gilyard, Kendricks and Hoomanawanui CAN'T be as good (or even better) than those four?

    Here's the short answer -- not unless they all get traded to the Patriots.
    Right, because the Patriots players sip a magical elixir before every game that makes what they do impossible to duplicate...

    There is nothing special about what the Patriots do. They have an excellent leader in Brady and receivers that fit a scheme. Dress it up any way you want, but that's all it is at the core. With this draft, we've shown that we're building a similar offense. And we can likely expect similar results down the road.

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    Re: A QB needs elite, game-breaking WRs to be successful... or does he?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramendola16 View Post
    Right, because the Patriots players sip a magical elixir before every game that makes what they do impossible to duplicate...

    There is nothing special about what the Patriots do. They have an excellent leader in Brady and receivers that fit a scheme. Dress it up any way you want, but that's all it is at the core. With this draft, we've shown that we're building a similar offense. And we can likely expect similar results down the road.

    Great!!!!!!!!!!! -- 4 Super Bowls Here WE Come !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Re: A QB needs elite, game-breaking WRs to be successful... or does he?

    Quote Originally Posted by richtree View Post
    Great!!!!!!!!!!! -- 4 Super Bowls Here WE Come !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I have to say, your method of arguing your position in the last couple of days has been less than admirable.

    Nobody said the Rams are going to 4 Super Bowls, or that Bradford will be the league MVP in 2011, or anything of the like.

    The point, which you keep missing/avoiding, is that a team can have an elite passing game without prototypical elite WRs. The key is to have receivers that fit within the system.

    So, to quote The Shawshank Redemption:

    "How can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?"

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    Re: A QB needs elite, game-breaking WRs to be successful... or does he?

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    "The key is to have receivers that fit within the system.

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    No, the key is to have a HOF Quarterback but I am hoping Bradford can develop into something great. You can't judge Bradford on last year.

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