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    Is the Rams' defensive personnel better suited for a 3-4?

    This is not a thread about immediate changes.

    In fact, as long as Spags is the Rams HC (the merits of which I will not address here), it may be a moot issue.

    But...

    Would the Rams' current defensive personnel peform better in a 3-4 set?

    Here's how I break it down:

    NT: Need a big guy who can hold up at the point of attack. Not necessarily a mobile "gap-shooter" but, rather, a position holder. Could Fred Robbins fill this role? He certainly has the size. Also, if we're talking 2012, players who can fill this role are often obtained in later rounds of the draft.

    DE: Need large DEs who can provide an inside rush and stand up at the point of attack. James Hall certainly fits that mold, at least in the short run. Darrell Scott might be able to fill that spot as well. This would probably be the biggest hole in the 3-4 set in the long run. However, steady 3-4 DEs are obtainable at reasonable prices, as they are not primary playmakers.

    ILB: I have no doubt that James Laurinaitis would continue to be an effective player in a 3-4 set. In the short run, Ben Leber could play along side him, and Jabara Williams could be a longer term prospect at that spot.

    OLB: Here the Rams are in fine shape. Chris Long and Robert Quinn could develop into terrors as 3-4 edge rushers, and both have the athletic ability to play in space when needed.

    Have I convinced you? If not, that's okay. I'm not even saying I'm certain about this. But, given the way things going, I don't think a drastic change like this can be dismissed as a potential option for 2012.

    At a minimum, I'd argue that our front 7 personnel is at least as well suited for a 3-4 as it is for a 4-3.


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    Re: Is the Rams' defensive personnel better suited for a 3-4?

    I really like the 3-4 system better them then the 4-3. I just dont think we have the personnel for it. You have me convinced on the Linebackers which I was previously worried about, but now I am worried about our d-line. If I am not mistaken the D-line needs too be very strong against the run for a 3-4, I dont see that on our current roster. We would have to draft some strong DE's this year.

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    Re: Is the Rams' defensive personnel better suited for a 3-4?

    I started a thread just like this 2 weeks ago. I just imagined Long and Quinn coming off the edge and was shivering.

    I think the Defensive alignment would actually be something like :

    B. Fletcher / Q. Mikell / D. Stewart / R. Bartell or J. Murphy

    R.Quinn / J. Lauirnaitis / B.Poppinga / C. Long

    J. Hall or D. Scott / Robbins / Bannan

    If we have one solid off season adding some key free agents and drafting players to fit the scheme, we can be dominant. I'd like to see us take a nose tackle. All of our defensive lineman would be old. I do like the pressure this type of scheme can apply, especially with Long and Quinn as edge rushers.

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    Re: Is the Rams' defensive personnel better suited for a 3-4?

    Some players we should really consider adding if we do switch (thru the draft) :

    Round 1: ILB Vontaze Burfict, NT Alameda Ta'amu (BEASTLY).

    Round 2: ILB Dont'a Hightower, DE Kheeston Randall.

    Round 3: ILB Tank Carder, NT Josh Chapman, NT Dontari Poe, DE Devon Still

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    Re: Is the Rams' defensive personnel better suited for a 3-4?

    Sorry if I stole your thunder, Sosa. I hadn't seen your previous theread.

    I neglected to mention Bannan. He could fit the role of 3-4 DE nicely.

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    Re: Is the Rams' defensive personnel better suited for a 3-4?

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    Sorry if I stole your thunder, Sosa. I hadn't seen your previous theread.

    I neglected to mention Bannan. He could fit the role of 3-4 DE nicely.
    Its all good and yeah he played DE for the Broncos and Ravens both are 3-4 teams. I think the key piece to every 3-4 D is a monsterous NT. I think that'd be the only challenge.

    Ta'amu who would be in the draft is an animal. Ngata/Hampton type.

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    Re: Is the Rams' defensive personnel better suited for a 3-4?

    If we do move to the 3-4, I would immediately grab Burfict.

    Quinn, Laurinaitis, Long AND Burfict as linebackers? Can you say dominant?



    The only questionable thing would be the NT spot and a young 3-4 DE.

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    Re: Is the Rams' defensive personnel better suited for a 3-4?

    Premature thread - c'mon man, we have only played …uh, I mean showed up…hmmm, well, participated in 6 games. I am more interested in what we can do to fix the defense for now.

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    Sorry if I stole your thunder, Sosa. I hadn't seen your previous theread.

    I neglected to mention Bannan. He could fit the role of 3-4 DE nicely.

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    Re: Is the Rams' defensive personnel better suited for a 3-4?

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    This is not a thread about immediate changes.

    In fact, as long as Spags is the Rams HC (the merits of which I will not address here), it may be a moot issue.

    But...

    Would the Rams' current defensive personnel peform better in a 3-4 set?

    Here's how I break it down:

    NT: Need a big guy who can hold up at the point of attack. Not necessarily a mobile "gap-shooter" but, rather, a position holder. Could Fred Robbins fill this role? He certainly has the size. Also, if we're talking 2012, players who can fill this role are often obtained in later rounds of the draft.

    DE: Need large DEs who can provide an inside rush and stand up at the point of attack. James Hall certainly fits that mold, at least in the short run. Darrell Scott might be able to fill that spot as well. This would probably be the biggest hole in the 3-4 set in the long run. However, steady 3-4 DEs are obtainable at reasonable prices, as they are not primary playmakers.

    ILB: I have no doubt that James Laurinaitis would continue to be an effective player in a 3-4 set. In the short run, Ben Leber could play along side him, and Jabara Williams could be a longer term prospect at that spot.

    OLB: Here the Rams are in fine shape. Chris Long and Robert Quinn could develop into terrors as 3-4 edge rushers, and both have the athletic ability to play in space when needed.

    Have I convinced you? If not, that's okay. I'm not even saying I'm certain about this. But, given the way things going, I don't think a drastic change like this can be dismissed as a potential option for 2012.

    At a minimum, I'd argue that our front 7 personnel is at least as well suited for a 3-4 as it is for a 4-3.
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    Re: Is the Rams' defensive personnel better suited for a 3-4?

    Remember when the Redskins ran the 3-4 in 2010?

    Exactly.

    If we expect to compete in the NFC West next year, then it's best we continue to run the system we're familiar with right now unless you're taking consideration into blowing the foundation again.

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    Re: Is the Rams' defensive personnel better suited for a 3-4?

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    Thanks for the in-depth analysis.

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    Re: Is the Rams' defensive personnel better suited for a 3-4?

    Quote Originally Posted by fliptalianstallion View Post
    Remember when the Redskins ran the 3-4 in 2010?

    Exactly.

    If we expect to compete in the NFC West next year, then it's best we continue to run the system we're familiar with right now unless you're taking consideration into blowing the foundation again.
    Really?

    What do you see in the defensive system right now that would make you shy away from change?

    Also, Washington's defense has progressed pretty nicely this year.

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    Re: Is the Rams' defensive personnel better suited for a 3-4?

    Quote Originally Posted by fliptalianstallion View Post
    Remember when the Redskins ran the 3-4 in 2010?

    Exactly.

    If we expect to compete in the NFC West next year, then it's best we continue to run the system we're familiar with right now unless you're taking consideration into blowing the foundation again.
    We haven't had a good defense since the fearsome foursome, I'd like to think 40 years is a long time. Like AV said, the Redskins made a great adjustment to it.

    But I guess some people are opposed to change. If Cowher came here to coach, he would switch it to a 3-4, and I'd love to have Cowher here.

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    Re: Is the Rams' defensive personnel better suited for a 3-4?

    Right now, i'd be up for trying the change, just because it's not like the 4-3 is doing anything

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    Re: Is the Rams' defensive personnel better suited for a 3-4?

    Quote Originally Posted by sosa39rams View Post
    I started a thread just like this 2 weeks ago. I just imagined Long and Quinn coming off the edge and was shivering.

    I think the Defensive alignment would actually be something like :

    B. Fletcher / Q. Mikell / D. Stewart / R. Bartell or J. Murphy

    R.Quinn / J. Lauirnaitis / B.Poppinga / C. Long

    J. Hall or D. Scott / Robbins / Bannan



    If we have one solid off season adding some key free agents and drafting players to fit the scheme, we can be dominant. I'd like to see us take a nose tackle. All of our defensive lineman would be old. I do like the pressure this type of scheme can apply, especially with Long and Quinn as edge rushers.
    Why are you shivering about Long and Quinn, in the grand scheme of the NFL, there just random players.? DOMINATE? The Rams are so far behind the competition, it's almost not fair. Maybe the Rams do hit next season in the draft and free agency.? But the chance's of this happening, is like every year, slim to none.? It's almost as if you forget, that every other team has a draft also.?
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