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    Rams get busy evaluating players, needs ..

    BY JIM THOMAS STLtoday.com
    Saturday, February 18, 2012

    For coach Jeff Fisher, general manager Les Snead and everyone involved in player evaluation at Rams Park, Monday was like the first day of school.

    "The scouts came in Sunday night with the express purpose of going through and talking about the players that are going to be at the (NFL scouting) combine with the coaching staff," Fisher said. "But before we started, we introduced the general manager to them."

    No one wore name tags, but even Fisher had not met all of the scouts until that Monday meeting.

    The group will be spending a lot of time together over the next two months or so, through the start of free agency March 13 and leading up to the draft April 26-28. So with most of Fisher's coaching staff in place, the focus at Rams Park has shifted to personnel, personnel and ... personnel.

    "The coaches that are here are looking at the (current) roster, looking at their position groups," Fisher said. "Now that we've got Les on board we can sit down with the coaches and discuss our evaluations and our opinions. And what spins out of that are the needs."

    The needs are many for a franchise that has lost 65 of its last 80 games and hasn't had a winning season since 2003. They must now be tailored not only to Fisher's coaching style and philosophy, but also to offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer, defensive coordinator Gregg Williams and even special teams coordinator John Fassel.

    With the combine starting Wednesday in Indianapolis, time is of the essence. Snead doesn't have the time to implement his system of scouting, or some of the finer details of how he wants things done in the personnel department.

    "When you get bogged down this time of year, when there's only so much time left, trying to implement your system or your process now is not the right time," Snead said. "Because there's so much to the change, the language, data bases, how you do things, how information's spit out."

    So the entire group must come to a quick consensus on the kind of players Fisher and his coaches are looking for, identify and prioritize the team needs, and just go. The time squeeze also means Fisher and Snead must adjust to the scouts, and not vice versa.

    "There's a lot of them, and there's two of us Jeff and myself," Snead said. "So it's easier for us to adapt, and (the scouts) have a system that's in place. What we know we have to do is adapt the system we have, be creative with it ... there's a lot of ways to skin a cat."

    But in terms of basic player evaluations, Snead and Fisher have no other choice for this draft and, to a degree, free agency. They must trust their scouts.

    "Absolutely," Fisher said. "Those guys are rolling their sleeves up and getting the information. You can't do it without them. And so you listen to the reports, and to the summaries, and to all those things. Let's face it, I haven't had a chance right now to do any college evaluations."

    It's an interesting dynamic, because Snead was told during the GM interview process that no one in the scouting department is untouchable. But since scouting department contracts usually don't expire until after the draft, nearly everyone in the department is trying to prove himself.

    After the first couple of days of meetings, Fisher said, "You can tell they've done a great job. This is the culmination of all their hard work. Their information is being presented to us."

    The scouts aren't the only ones with something to prove. This will be Snead's first draft as the guy in charge. During his 17 seasons in the NFL most of his experience has been on the pro scouting side, not college scouting.

    When first promoted out of the scouting role, Snead was named director of pro personnel. He didn't become director of player personnel which puts a lot of emphasis on the college side until three years ago. (Snead said he performed many of the duties of the player personnel director four years ago, just without the title.)

    He also pointed out: "Even when you're in pro, you'll dabble in the college. That's a big part of it, so you're not just doing pro personnel. And the last four years have been very extensive college."

    In those past four years, Snead was near the top of the pyramid in terms of draft decision-making, but at the end of the day Falcons general manager Thomas Dimitroff and coach Mike Smith made the pick. So how much input did Snead have on the Falcons' picks?

    "I would say definitely, significantly," Snead said.

    Before Dimitroff and Smith made their decision, Snead said he was frequently the last person to give his input. Much, but not all, of Snead's draft philosophy has been culled from watching and working with Dimitroff.

    "You better be well-prepared to make that decision," Snead said. "And that's a little bit Tom Coughlin. When you play a Tom Coughlin team you know that they're going to be prepared."

    Snead spent his first three years in scouting, 1995 to 1997, as a scout for Coughlin in Jacksonville.

    "And there's ways you prepare," Snead said. "It's not just late hours or manual labor. But I think you need to be well prepared. And take all things considered into that pick."

    "All things considered" is one of Snead's pet phrases when it comes to adding talent.

    "It's not just how good the player is," Snead said. "It's what kind of teammate he will be. How coachable he will be. It may be a lot of intangibles."

    How valued is the player's position in the scheme? Is there a player at the position lower in the draft who's not much different in talent, who would thus be a better value? For Snead, it's not just a player's ceiling, it's whether the team can live with his floor if he doesn't live up to expectations.

    Those are just some of the factors Snead takes into account in drafting a player.

    "If you're well prepared all things considered you should get it right the majority of the time," he said.

    Which would be something new at Rams Park.


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    Re: Rams get busy evaluating players, needs ..

    Interesting that the scouts from the Spagnuolo regieme have been retained for this draft.

    Is anyone else a little uneasy at this?

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    Re: Rams get busy evaluating players, needs ..

    Quote Originally Posted by Bar-bq View Post
    Interesting that the scouts from the Spagnuolo regieme have been retained for this draft.

    Is anyone else a little uneasy at this?
    I think this is because the scouting department was continuing with business as usual by evaluating players while the team was still looking for a coach and GM. Scouting is a year-long process, and if they were fired, the Rams would have been at a huge disadvantage by essentially starting over so deep into the scouting process. I don't think they would be retained for next season.

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    Re: Rams get busy evaluating players, needs ..

    Quote Originally Posted by Bar-bq View Post
    Interesting that the scouts from the Spagnuolo regieme have been retained for this draft.

    Is anyone else a little uneasy at this?
    Not really as there are many unknowns .. Among them, how many times were Billy and Spag's scouts overruled? We'll probably never know, but it isn't fair to heap alot of blame on them when they were not the guys making the final decisions.

    There is no reason to believe Snead and Fish will not add to the scouting group as time goes on. They are still trying to put together a strong staff in every facet. Fisher does not impress me as a guy who is paranoid and insecure. He worked a long time for a difficult owner and managed to put forth a very competitive product consistently. I believe Jeff to be a guy who's very secure in his own skin, and will be a true head coach. He won't have to micromanage, because at this point in his career he's going to know who's got it and who doesn't as far as coaching goes. Les Snead in his public interview perhaps didn't deliver his views with the charisma some may have wished for, but I'd be willing to bet Jeff truly values his acumen when it comes to evaluating personnel. I don't think Jeff wants a yes man. I think he wants all the input he can get from the best people he can find. I believe winning is all the "credit" Jeff desires, after all this is certainly not his first rodeo ..
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    Re: Rams get busy evaluating players, needs ..

    "How valued is the player's position in the scheme? Is there a player at the position lower in the draft who's not much different in talent, who would thus be a better value? For Snead, it's not just a player's ceiling, it's whether the team can live with his floor if he doesn't live up to expectations."

    Key quote. IMO this was a major factor in the picking of Chris Long. Long's ceiling wasn't the highest but his floor was basically that of a quality starter. Same with James Laurinaitis. Rey Maualuga had a higher ceiling but his floor was dramatically lower than JLau's.

    I think that's where the Rams goofed on Jason Smith. His ceiling was high but his floor was low because he was such a raw prospect.

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