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    Re: Rams' Janoris Jenkins in contract dispute over the rookie's financial advisory

    Quote Originally Posted by r8rh8rmike View Post
    I took the "guidance" as relating to financial decisions, as opposed to dealing with an angry mother on child support issues. It looks to me like Fisher sees his choice, Lou Taylor, as someone with experience who can handle both finances as a business manager, and problematic child support issues that could come up. At least that's what the article puts forward.

    Again, at this point, it's pretty clear that none of what we're discussing matters. Fisher is not going to get what he wants and will have to live with what Jenkins has in place now. It'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
    A. DeLuca specializes in giving financial advise to professional athletes. I bet he has more experience with angry baby mamas than nearly anyone.

    B. You're right; this discussion has no bearing on the Rams actions. (But then again, that's true of every discussion on this or any other board.) Ultimately, Fisher is going to have to let go on this issue. And by the looks of that old-school mustache, "letting go" is not Fisher's forte.

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    Re: Rams' Janoris Jenkins in contract dispute over the rookie's financial advisory

    Quote Originally Posted by HUbison View Post
    That's an excellent point. It's not like he chose his buddy Tyrone, who got his financial training at the corner payday loan / pawn shop.

    I obviously don't know Mr. DeLuca or his body of work, but a long time advisor with Merrill Lynch would most likely be an admirable choice, no?
    To me, this sounds like the status quo for the NFL. Being qualified isn't quite as important as being "my guy," meaning Fisher probably wants his choice to fill the role even if the current guy is suitable.


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    Ultimately, Fisher is going to have to let go on this issue. And by the looks of that old-school mustache, "letting go" is not Fisher's forte.
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    Re: Rams' Janoris Jenkins in contract dispute over the rookie's financial advisory

    So .. On day two of the NFL draft, JJ gets a phone call from Coach Fisher during which Fish clearly states his desire for JJ to hire an individual Fish recommends as a condition of his being drafted hy the Rams. JJ says sure coach I'll do it I promise, go ahead - pick me !! Now that he has been selected, that's all out the window? Jeff's just supposed to say "gosh my bad" no worries JJ, hire whoever you wish .. Seems to me a poor way for JJ to start off his relationship with the Fish. It surely will be interesting to learn the details of JJ's contract and the stipulations regarding dispensation of his signing bonus ..

    Ten or fifteen years from now, JJ may wish he'd have kept his word - or maybe only two or three ..

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    Re: Rams' Janoris Jenkins in contract dispute over the rookie's financial advisory

    If your word is meaningless, you're not much of a man.

    I'm not impressed.

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    I predict that by the first day of camp, this will be a non-issue.

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    Re: Rams' Janoris Jenkins in contract dispute over the rookie's financial advisory

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    I predict that by the first day of camp, this will be a non-issue.

    Excerpted from Gordo's chat:

    Any thoughts on the Yahoo! Sports bit over the weekend about Janorious Jenkins and the dispute regarding his "handling" of finances?
    by Tackleberry 10:01 AM

    Jenkins has a disastrous personal life, which is why Fisher insisted that he agree to certain conditions before the Rams drafted him. He didn't want finances to become an issue in his development. If Jenkins backs out of those conditions, he may not have much of a career in St. Louis.
    by Jeff Gordon 10:03 AM.


    Of all your predictions Av, I really hope you are correct on this one. We need JJ's skills big time ..

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    Re: Rams' Janoris Jenkins in contract dispute over the rookie's financial advisory

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    So .. On day two of the NFL draft, JJ gets a phone call from Coach Fisher during which Fish clearly states his desire for JJ to hire an individual Fish recommends as a condition of his being drafted hy the Rams. JJ says sure coach I'll do it I promise, go ahead - pick me !! Now that he has been selected, that's all out the window? Jeff's just supposed to say "gosh my bad" no worries JJ, hire whoever you wish .. Seems to me a poor way for JJ to start off his relationship with the Fish. It surely will be interesting to learn the details of JJ's contract and the stipulations regarding dispensation of his signing bonus ..

    Ten or fifteen years from now, JJ may wish he'd have kept his word - or maybe only two or three ..

    If it went down like this, do you think it fair? Fisher is asking JJ to do something that is not within the rules...

    Was this discussed while the Rams where on the clock?

    If this was discussed on the clock hard for all parties to have time to evaluate the terms.

    During April's NFL draft, Fisher made Jenkins' agent, Malik Shareef, promise that Jenkins would hire a business manager to help Jenkins
    This reads JJ agent made the deal not JJ, in fact JJ questioned his rights...

    Jenkins also asked an NFL representative at the league's rookie symposium about whether the team could force him to choose an advisor.
    Jenkins, who has not returned messages regarding Taylor and the Rams, seemed content with his management team prior to the draft. Subsequently, he has grown increasingly unhappy with being forced to use Taylor, who two sources said is planning to charge him $120,000 over four years for her services. The duties would include managing the child-support payments and placing him on a budget.
    I'm not buying into JJ saying anything to get drafted and then changing his mind... I'm not sure of the timeline and not sure anybody does, when the Rams laid down the exceptions for the advisor daft day, weeks before. The bottom line is did know his rights prior to the draft? JJ has the right to hirer anybody he wants... Does he want to pay $120,000 or is he being forced too?

    Cornelio said on several occasions that he is not seeking payment from Jenkins, who he has known since Jenkins was at Pahokee (Fla.) High School.
    The Rams clearly over stepped their bounds, that is how I see it.

    Only time will tell if JJ is going to be a train wreck, but I think this is just a case of his representation and the Rams not doing right by him.

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    Re: Rams' Janoris Jenkins in contract dispute over the rookie's financial advisory

    Quote Originally Posted by Rambos View Post
    If it went down like this, do you think it fair? Fisher is asking JJ to do something that is not within the rules...
    Yes, given JJ's past. JJ could have said no.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rambos View Post
    Was this discussed while the Rams where on the clock?
    I don't know, but I'd venture to guess when JJ visited the Rams it could have been brought up back then as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rambos View Post
    If this was discussed on the clock hard for all parties to have time to evaluate the terms.
    Agreed.



    Quote Originally Posted by Rambos View Post
    This reads JJ agent made the deal not JJ, in fact JJ questioned his rights...
    I have trouble believing Fisher did not communicate directly with JJ. The Rams aren't signing his agent, they're signing JJ. If JJ knew absolutely nothing about this request until after the draft, then ok. I don't believe that to be true however.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rambos View Post
    I'm not buying into JJ saying anything to get drafted and then changing his mind... I'm not sure of the timeline and not sure anybody does, when the Rams laid down the exceptions for the advisor daft day, weeks before. The bottom line is did know his rights prior to the draft? JJ has the right to hirer anybody he wants... Does he want to pay $120,000 or is he being forced too?
    Agreed there is much we don't know about this, (and possibly never will). Jeff Gordon summed it up pretty well in his recent chat:

    by Jeff Gordon 10:03 AM
    "Jenkins has a disastrous personal life, which is why Fisher insisted that he agree to certain conditions before the Rams drafted him. He didn't want finances to become an issue in his development. If Jenkins backs out of those conditions, he may not have much of a career in St. Louis."


    Quote Originally Posted by Rambos View Post
    The Rams clearly over stepped their bounds, that is how I see it.
    Possibly, we may never know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rambos View Post
    Only time will tell if JJ is going to be a train wreck, but I think this is just a case of his representation and the Rams not doing right by him.
    Hopefully Jeff can get through to the kid and mentor him. I'm optimistic this entire thread will end up being much ado about nothing. Let's hope Av's right ..

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    Re: Rams' Janoris Jenkins in contract dispute over the rookie's financial advisory

    Jenkins has a disastrous personal life, which is why Fisher insisted that he agree to certain conditions before the Rams drafted him. He didn't want finances to become an issue in his development. If Jenkins backs out of those conditions, he may not have much of a career in St. Louis.
    By Jeff Gordon
    When it comes to personal lives, I'm sick / tired of these punk stereotypes!

    Granted everyone of us already knew the weight of his baggage but be it just before or right after camp, I want to see JJ with the right attitude, with him getting his act together, i.e., proving he is growing up. He ... and the Rams ... will need it.

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    Re: Rams' Janoris Jenkins in contract dispute over the rookie's financial advisory

    Seems to me that in the off-season of the bounty scandal for which we are connected, Jeff Fisher would want to steer clear of anything labled, "AGAINST THE RULES".

    And for those of you who think he is right in pursuing this, he and you are "ABSOLUTELY WRONG, DEAD WRONG", no matter what Jenkins' background is.

    I'm starting to think he owes Lou Taylor a favor or something. Why else, is nobody else good enough?
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    Re: Rams' Janoris Jenkins in contract dispute over the rookie's financial advisory

    Quote Originally Posted by MauiRam View Post
    So .. On day two of the NFL draft, JJ gets a phone call from Coach Fisher during which Fish clearly states his desire for JJ to hire an individual Fish recommends as a condition of his being drafted hy the Rams. JJ says sure coach I'll do it I promise, go ahead - pick me !! Now that he has been selected, that's all out the window? Jeff's just supposed to say "gosh my bad" no worries JJ, hire whoever you wish .. Seems to me a poor way for JJ to start off his relationship with the Fish. It surely will be interesting to learn the details of JJ's contract and the stipulations regarding dispensation of his signing bonus ..

    Ten or fifteen years from now, JJ may wish he'd have kept his word - or maybe only two or three ..
    Maybe that's how it went down, or maybe it went down how Jenkins's agent said: "At no point before, during or after the 2012 NFL draft was there ever any promise from us to the Rams that Janoris would hire a specific financial advisor."

    So it's at least possible he was open to hiring an advisor but not necessarily one hand-picked by Fisher and company. Since this is an agreement that isn't allowed under the CBA, it seems to me that it would be hard for Fisher to take a hard line stance on this.

    And IF the Rams made this selection under the impression that they'd be able to force Jenkins into hiring "their guy" as a financial advisor or even hold him to some kind of agreement on the matter, either without knowing what the CBA said about this kind of agreement or simply not caring, then that's a whole other concern.

    Ultimately I suspect the Rams will back down in some manner, they'll find Jenkins' advisor to be satisfactory or will work with him to find one they can all agree one, and get him signed.
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    Re: Rams' Janoris Jenkins in contract dispute over the rookie's financial advisory

    With regards to people questioning Jenkins and saying he backed out of the pre-draft agreement, how do you know what the agreement was?

    To me, it doesn't seem like Jeff Fisher and the Rams said "You need to hire Lou Taylor as your financial advisor", because I don't recall seeing that written anywhere. What i did see the Rams say is "You need to hire a financial advisor"

    Well guess what? Jenkins has a financial advisor, and one that does their job without charging 30,000 a year.

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    Re: Rams' Janoris Jenkins in contract dispute over the rookie's financial advisory

    I think Jenkins was a poor choice. I don't believe in the "pillars" nonesense, but you don't want an off-field disaster on your team either.

    Fisher took a risk hoping the Jenkins would grow up a little, but he bites him on the hand the first chance he gets. If they do get Jenkins signed, he will be on a short leash. Someone like Jenkins will implode, IMO. Some people are just self-destructive no matter how blessed and fortunate they are.

    I know many of you already had him penciled in as one of our two future Pro Bowl Corners, but this smells bad from the starting gate. By not accepting the "informal" agreement and starting a media spectacle, he put the media spotlight back on his "disasterous" personal life. This will continue to rear its head, you can be assured of that.

    I know it is tough to consider walking away from such considerable talent, but Fisher isn't going to allow this guy to disrupt a team he just took over. This guys chances are already used up before camp starts. I just can't see a good ending to this.

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    Re: Rams' Janoris Jenkins in contract dispute over the rookie's financial advisory

    To me, Fisher was saying "Look, we will draft you, but you need to get your personal life under control and keep your past out of the media. Have this person manage your finances and help keep your past issues out of the media so you can concentrate on being a good football player."

    With Jenkins refusing to do that, I would feel slightly betrayed if I were Fisher. Right or wrong, a high risk pick like Jenkins did about the worst thing he could have done. Whether or not the agreement was strictly legal, he backed out of it. To make it worse, it became a media spectacle and its close to getting everyone involved; the NFL, the NFLPA, and the court system.

    What a bonehead. He is making Fisher look pretty bad. He may be a second round pick, but he stabbed Fisher in the back through his proxies. Good luck Mr. Jenkins, you will need it.
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    Re: Rams' Janoris Jenkins in contract dispute over the rookie's financial advisory

    Quote Originally Posted by swatter555 View Post
    I think Jenkins was a poor choice. I don't believe in the "pillars" nonesense, but you don't want an off-field disaster on your team either.
    Your not alone on that, time will tell.

    Fisher took a risk hoping the Jenkins would grow up a little, but he bites him on the hand the first chance he gets. If they do get Jenkins signed, he will be on a short leash. Someone like Jenkins will implode, IMO. Some people are just self-destructive no matter how blessed and fortunate they are.
    He's a man not a dog....

    I know it is tough to consider walking away from such considerable talent, but Fisher isn't going to allow this guy to disrupt a team he just took over. This guys chances are already used up before camp starts. I just can't see a good ending to this.
    "He's very talented -— obviously we knew that, and that has shown just in the last couple days," Fisher said. "He's got excellent football intelligence and he carries things from the classroom to the field." Fisher insists the Rams did more background research on Jenkins than any other team, and the unanimous sentiment was, "Take this young man. This stuff is behind him."

    Fisher and the Rams FO did a lot of PR post draft. Now they need to get the contract done and back up why the took JJ so high in the draft.

    With Jenkins refusing to do that, I would feel slightly betrayed if I were Fisher. Right or wrong, a high risk pick like Jenkins did about the worst thing he could have done. Whether or not the agreement was strictly legal, he backed out of it. To make it worse, it became a media spectacle and its close to getting everyone involved; the NFL, the NFLPA, and the court system.
    If anything I think JJ may have shown he's not a fool by standing his ground on this. I think it's strange that he had to ask a rep at the rookie symposium. Did he not ask his agent who agreed to these terms? He obviously was on happy with that and sought out advise. To me it showed me he's willing to stand up for himself when apparently no one around you would.

    Jenkins also asked an NFL representative at the league's rookie symposium about whether the team could force him to choose an advisor.

    What a F**king bonehead. He is making Fisher look pretty bad. He may be a second round pick, but he stabbed Fisher in the back through his proxies. Good luck Mr. Jenkins, you will need it.
    IMO Fisher is making Fisher look bad. If Fisher did all the background work as he stated why is he being such a control freak about JJ advisor? If the kid has put this stuff behind him why is this such a big deal?
    " Fisher insists the Rams did more background research on Jenkins than any other team, and the unanimous sentiment was, "Take this young man. This stuff is behind him."
    I like Fisher and I like the pick off JJ... We picked up two additional second round picks this year alone. The risk has already be reduced. JJ is either going to show up and play well and stay out of trouble or he's not. Fisher has to deal with JJ he drafted him. That being said treat JJ with the same respect you would Bradford or any other player, don't try and pull a fast one on him. YOU drafted a kid that needs your support and it look and smells like Fisher is trying to take advantage of him.

    The bottom line is how much money do you really need to get into trouble? None!
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