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    Re: BREAKING: Rams release LB Dunbar

    Quote Originally Posted by NJ Ramsfan1 View Post
    I express the same sense of bewilderment and shock as many others on this thread. With the willingness to take draft risky guys like Jenkins, Johnson and Ogletree I'm surprised that Dunbar was not only shown the door but was cut at the eleventh hour. I don't buy the salary cap argument (not much really saved here) nor the youth movement (Dunbar was hardly an old man, and Witherspoon was brought in), nor do I think Fisher made an impulsive move out of spite- he's too smart for that. I surmise in the coming days we'll see more on the subject from Fisher. There has to be more to the story than what we're seeing.

    I agree, nothing about this seems ordinary. I guess we'll have to wait and see.


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    Re: Rams release LB Dunbar

    Here's a crazy thought...

    What if this move was made, in part, to clear a little cap room.

    Is there a player who the Rams might wish to use that cap room to obtain?

    What if there were a QB who, though not a great player, would be an upgrade over Kellen Clemens at the #2 spot...

    What if that QB was already familiar with the system run by the Rams' Offensive Coordinator...

    What if the team that currently holds the rights to that QB was willing to pay the bulk of his 2013 salary...

    I know, it seems out there, but...

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    Re: Rams release LB Dunbar

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    Here's a crazy thought...

    What if this move was made, in part, to clear a little cap room.

    Is there a player who the Rams might wish to use that cap room to obtain?

    What if there were a QB who, though not a great player, would be an upgrade over Kellen Clemens at the #2 spot...

    What if that QB was already familiar with the system run by the Rams' Offensive Coordinator...

    What if the team that currently holds the rights to that QB was willing to pay the bulk of his 2013 salary...

    I know, it seems out there, but...
    Oh my! Mark Sanchez as a Ram. Hadn't considered that one. Interesting thought.
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    Re: Rams release LB Dunbar

    Quote Originally Posted by Rambos View Post
    Writing on wall for Jo-Lonn Dunbar release
    September, 3, 2013

    By Nick Wagoner | ESPN.com


    After the suspension, it seemed a near certainty that Dunbar wouldn't be back with the Rams.
    Talk about horrible journalism....the above is pathetic. Why didn't everyone state this before he got cut if it was such a "near certainty?" The idiots that ESPN hires these days.......
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    Re: Rams release LB Dunbar

    More Ogletree please

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    Re: Rams release LB Dunbar

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    Here's a crazy thought...

    What if this move was made, in part, to clear a little cap room.

    Is there a player who the Rams might wish to use that cap room to obtain?

    What if there were a QB who, though not a great player, would be an upgrade over Kellen Clemens at the #2 spot...

    What if that QB was already familiar with the system run by the Rams' Offensive Coordinator...

    What if the team that currently holds the rights to that QB was willing to pay the bulk of his 2013 salary...

    I know, it seems out there, but...
    But how much cap hit would we absorb? I'm not familiar with cap transfers on trades. Also, it makes sense logically, as I'm sure the Jets would love to relieve themselves of the mess the created at QB.

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    Re: Rams release LB Dunbar

    I don't see why there is such shock and amazement about this move. Dunbar was going to be allowed to walk after this season and with Armstrong and Bates and Stewart on the roster Jeff wants those guys to get more playing time to be ready for the future. My guess for the next move is Cody Davis gets moved off the Practice Squad onto the roster so he gets a chance to play and gain experience.

    The younger players are also easily schooled to defend against the new types of offense we'll see from Seattle and SF. That's whom we are being built to compete against. Ogletree and Armstrong are converted safety's who can play in space, Dunbar wasn't. On the discipline front don't forget how Jeff suspended 2 important players last season against the ***** for team rules transgressions. Jeff is a great coach who supports his players, but expects discipline at the same time and won't tolerate nonsense.

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    Re: Rams release LB Dunbar

    Quote Originally Posted by HUbison View Post
    Oh my! Mark Sanchez as a Ram. Hadn't considered that one. Interesting thought.
    Not to worry, Sanchez is likely to wind up in the graveyard for USC QB's, Arizona. First Leinart, now Palmer. The reasoning is that Palmer will get hit like a pinata this season so they'll need a younger QB with some experience who Ariens will be able to coach-up. Just my opinion.

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    Re: Rams release LB Dunbar

    Quote Originally Posted by mde8352gorams View Post
    Not to worry, Sanchez is likely to wind up in the graveyard for USC QB's, Arizona. First Leinart, now Palmer. The reasoning is that Palmer will get hit like a pinata this season so they'll need a younger QB with some experience who Ariens will be able to coach-up. Just my opinion.

    Go Rams!
    Sanchise, the new Zona Card Pinyachta? Wow I never concieved of this as possiable, wonder if they can string him up by his hair bands he would bounce around like a Wil'O the Wisp in that desert dog wind! lol
    Poor Mark, So far the Trojan QB's do seem to be going down in Phoenix, can any rise from the ashes? Palmer is probably the best of them, time will tell... Going to be so interesting to see what our opener is going to go like!
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    Re: Rams release LB Dunbar

    note to self: Be ready for a roller coaster ride in terms of LB performance, especially early in the year. Be patient. The kids are learning. Good things will come to those who wait.
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    Re: Rams release LB Dunbar

    Quote Originally Posted by Randart View Post
    Sanchise, the new Zona Card Pinyachta? Wow I never concieved of this as possiable, wonder if they can string him up by his hair bands he would bounce around like a Wil'O the Wisp in that desert dog wind! lol
    Poor Mark, So far the Trojan QB's do seem to be going down in Phoenix, can any rise from the ashes? Palmer is probably the best of them, time will tell... Going to be so interesting to see what our opener is going to go like!
    I think Carson Palmer will wish he never left Cincy. He had a better line in Oakland, but no receivers. The last good USC QB was on our team and his name was Pat Haden. Do remember Marinovich?

    Go Rams!

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    Re: Rams release LB Dunbar

    Have they announced who is taking the roster spot yet? Hope it's Cody...
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    Re: Rams release LB Dunbar

    Quote Originally Posted by thoey View Post
    Have they announced who is taking the roster spot yet? Hope it's Cody...
    There will be no one, they filled it already. If he came back someone would have to get bumped.

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    Re: Rams release LB Dunbar

    This looks like it happened after the 53 man roster was established. If so, someone had to be moved to fill that final spot.
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    Re: Rams release LB Dunbar

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    Rams coach Jeff Fisher leaves door open for Dunbar return: "We haven’t said this is it as far as his future is concerned here."
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    More Fisher on possible Dunbar return: “Of course there's a good possibility,” Fisher said. “Anything is possible.”
    Could have been a way to say you messed up and now it will cost you a lot in salary.


    Door open for Dunbar's return to Rams
    September, 4, 2013

    By Nick Wagoner | ESPN.com

    Jo-Lonn Dunbar's spot on the St. Louis Rams' 2013 roster was vacated when he was released from the reserve/injured list early Tuesday evening. But that status isn't necessarily a permanent one.

    Rams coach Jeff Fisher discussed the reasons for Dunbar's release Wednesday afternoon and acknowledged the possibility of Dunbar's return.

    “We haven’t said this is it as far as his future is concerned here,” Fisher said. “But we felt it was in the best interest of the organization right now.”

    Asked directly if there was a possibility of Dunbar coming back, Fisher re-iterated the chances of it happening.

    “Of course there's a good possibility,” Fisher said. “Anything is possible.”

    In light of those comments, it's hard to view Dunbar's release as anything but a business decision. Teams must be salary cap compliant by late Wednesday night and the Rams were up tight against the cap before the Dunbar move.

    According to numbers collected by ESPN.com, Dunbar's cap number this year was scheduled to come in just north of $1.9 million with the realistic chance (before the suspension) of easily obtainable bonuses that could have stretched the number to $2.3 million. A total of $500,000 of that money is rolled over from signing bonus and would count against the cap anyway. That would mean a savings of around $1.4 million but if you remove the quarter season worth of salary he would've lost for the suspension for violating the league's performance enhancing substance policy would reduce that to around $1 million.

    Head spinning from numbers yet? Mine too. But here's the easy bottom line explanation. By releasing Dunbar now, the Rams can be cap-compliant tonight and it gives them the opportunity to bring him back after week one on a non-guaranteed contract. The suspension clock begins this week whether Dunbar is with a team or not. Week 5 is still the scheduled return date for Dunbar no matter what team he is on.

    Theoretically, the Rams could bring him back next week on a non-guaranteed deal at a reduced rate, place him back on the reserve/suspended list and would then have him back in time for Week 5. They could also bring him back closer to the Oct. 6 game against Jacksonville when he'd again be eligible to play.

    Dunbar's departure came under somewhat odd circumstances but Fisher shot down any speculation that something other than the best interest of the team (read: the cap savings) occurred to lead to the move.

    "There was nothing," Fisher said. "He and I discussed it, we shared it with you guys, we got it put behind us with the club and his teammates were concerned there was no other issue. It was just a decision we had to make."

    In the meantime, Fisher and the Rams are just fine with veteran Will Witherspoon stepping into his place.

    "Spoon has done a great job since he's been here," Fisher said. "He's been a consistent, productive player every place he's been. Obviously we brought Will in here with the knowledge that Jo-Lonn was not going to be available."

    No matter if Witherspoon holds the role all year or Dunbar returns or someone else steps in, the player in that role will likely be on the field just two downs anyway. James Laurinaitis and Alec Ogletree seem poised to hold down the nickel linebacker jobs.

    So for now, we wait and see if Dunbar returns but there's no question that the door is open.
    Last edited by Rambos; -09-04-2013 at 05:27 PM.

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