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    Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    The end of the road could soon be coming for tackle Orlando Pace in St. Louis.

    But before the Rams cut the No. 1 overall pick in the 1997 draft, they’re doing everything they can to get something of value in exchange for his services.

    Per a league source, the Rams are “trying like hell” to trade Pace.

    After injuries limited Pace to eight games in 2006 and only one in 2007, he started 14 in 2008. But with the Rams moving forward, guys like Pace who won’t be part of the future are destined to be let go.

    It’s unlikely that any team would take Pace via trade absent a new contract. Currently, he’s due to earn $5.975 million in 2009, $7.175 million in 2010, and $8.375 million in 2011.

    Our guess? Pace soon will be released, and if he wants to continue his career he’ll have to take a lot less money than he is due to earn this season.



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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    I think Eugene Monroe would be our best bet.

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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    You do realize that this is not a news story, right.

    Everyone and their dog has known for weeks that (a) the Rams are trying to trade Holt and Pace, (b) they will have a difficult time finding a trade partner due to their contracts, and (c) they will probably have to cut one or both players.

    Florio and his "league source" (aka the voices in his head) have not told us anything we didn't already know. He just added "like Hell" to make it seem like this is somehow something new.

    It isn't.

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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    well that basicaly tells me that we are going OT in the 1st with the 2nd pick in the draft. But which one?? eugene Monroe?? Andre smith??
    i agree except you mean jason smith not andre smith right?

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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    Its looking more and more likely that Little will be the last member of the GSOT. We should have a memorial service or a funeral or something.

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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    I dont know if this story is true or not. Releasing Pace is a mistake. It just creates a huge hole on the o-line. He needs to be kept around releasing him will force us to draft a tackle with the 2nd pick. We already have too many holes why make another one?
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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    yeah i really think we should keep him for 1 last year, his cap hit does sting but i still think he is valuable.
    as said before, we have so many holes on the roster, lets fill one with the #2 pick rather than just replace pace.

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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    Quote Originally Posted by rammiser View Post
    I dont know if this story is true or not. Releasing Pace is a mistake. It just creates a huge hole on the o-line. He needs to be kept around releasing him will force us to draft a tackle with the 2nd pick. We already have too many holes why make another one?
    Because it is the shadow of a major hole, if not a hole already . Except for QB...and let's not get started on that one except to say that ignoring/botching filling the hole at RT had a lot to do with Warner getting pounded out of his Ram uniform,imo...there is no bigger hole than a weak tackle.You can't run, you can't throw,you can't thrive longterm.

    Oh,and we need the money to even start filling some of those other holes.

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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    I know Pace is a big hit on the cap this year but what are the figures on his remaining contract?

    Is there a website where you can look up all of the players and the details of their contracts? Maybe a year by year breakdown on what we will owe them?

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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    MY question is...

    If both Pace and Holt are just going to get cut and play for a lot less money. why not just re-structure with the Rams and finish their careers there? Obviously they may want a chance at a title again soon but still re-structure now and then it would be easier to get traded to a team of their choice! I would think?? Am I wrong?

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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    Quote Originally Posted by Rambunctious View Post
    I know Pace is a big hit on the cap this year but what are the figures on his remaining contract?

    Is there a website where you can look up all of the players and the details of their contracts? Maybe a year by year breakdown on what we will owe them?
    Never found a whole list that seemed accurate.These are the biggies,per Sando :

    Holt: 10.2 if he stays, 2.2 buh-bye

    Pace: 9.0 stays, ciao 3.0

    Bulger: 8.5, 11.0...ouch....

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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    Quote Originally Posted by Azul e Oro View Post
    Because it is the shadow of a major hole, if not a hole already . Except for QB...and let's not get started on that one except to say that ignoring/botching filling the hole at RT had a lot to do with Warner getting pounded out of his Ram uniform,imo...there is no bigger hole than a weak tackle.You can't run, you can't throw,you can't thrive longterm.

    Oh,and we need the money to even start filling some of those other holes.

    Releasing Pace only saves us 6 mil. He was a terrific blocker last year so tell me who is gonna do wat he did for 6 mil or less? Here are the offensive tackle sack stats from last year.

    Left Tackle

    1. Ryan Clady (Broncos) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    2. Michael Roos (Titans) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
    3. Tra Thomas (Eagles) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    3. Orlando Pace (Rams) 2.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
    5. Jake Long (Dolphins) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
    6. Jordan Gross (Panthers) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
    6. Jammal Brown (Saints) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
    6. Jared Gaither (Ravens) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
    6. Marcus McNeill (Chargers) 3.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
    6. Tony Ugoh (Colts) 3.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
    6. Chris Samuels (Redskins) 3.0 sacks allowed (12 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
    6. Todd Weiner (Falcons) 3.0 sacks allowed (11 starts)
    13. Walter Jones (Seahawks) 3.5 sacks allowed (12 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
    14. D’Brickashaw Ferguson (Jets) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    14. Bryant McKinnie (Vikings) 4.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
    14. Max Starks (Steelers) 4.0 sacks allowed (11 starts)
    17. Joe Thomas (Browns) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
    17. Branden Albert (Cheifs) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
    19. Levi Brown (Bengals) 5.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
    20. Mike Gandy (Cardinals) 6.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    21. David Diehl (Giants) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    22. Flozell Adams (Cowboys) 7.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    23. Khalif Barnes (Jags) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    23. Matt Light (Pats) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    23. Chad Clifton (Packers) 7.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
    23. Kwame Harris (Raiders) 7.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
    27. Joe Staley (*****) 8.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    28. Donald Penn (Bucs) 8.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    29. Jeff Backus (Lions) 9.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    30. John St. Clair (Bears) 9.75 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    31. Duane Brown (Texans) 11.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    31. Jason Peters (Bills) 11.5 sacks allowed (13 starts) *PRO-BOWL*

    Right Tackle

    1. Ryan Diem (Colts) 1.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    1. Jon Stinchcomb (Saints) 1.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    1. Ray Willis (Seahawks) 1.5 sacks allowed (10 starts)
    4. David Stewart (Titans) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    4. Mark Tauscher (Packers) 2.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
    6. Ryan Harris (Broncos) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    6. Tyson Clabo (Falcons) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    8. Langston Walker (Bills) 3.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    8. Nick Kaczur (Pats) 3.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
    10. Willie Anderson (Ravens) 3.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
    11. Kareem McKenzie (Giants) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    11. Vernon Carey (Dolphins) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    11. Kevin Shaffer (Browns) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
    14. Jeff Otah (Panthers) 5.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
    15. Tony Pashos (Jags) 5.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    15. Marc Colombo (Cowboys) 5.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    17. Willie Colon (Steelers) 5.75 sacks allowed (16 starts) …RFA
    18. John Tait (Bears) 6.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    18. Jeremy Trueblood (Bucs) 6.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    18. Ryan Cook (Vikings) 6.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
    18. Gosder Cherilus (Lions) 6.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
    22. Damien Woody (Jets) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    22. Jeromey Clary (Chargers) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    22. Jon Jansen (Redskins) 6.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
    25. Jon Runyan (Eagles) 7.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    25. Damion McIntosh (Chiefs) 7.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    27. Cornell Green (Raiders) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    27. Alex Barron (Rams) 7.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
    29. Eric Winston (Texans) 8.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    30. Stacy Andrews (Bengals) 9.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
    31. Adam Snyder (*****) 9.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
    32. Levi Brown (Cardinals) 11.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)

    So again tell me how Pace isnt worth keeping for 6 million again.
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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    Isn't 6 mill what we need to sign our ENTIRE '09 draft which will almost certainly include an OT in the first two picks?

    Sacks allowed are just part of the equation.Watch him get pushed into Bulger's back time & again,often having to pull his defender down essentially to stop him.He uses every cagey trick in the book but it's NOT dominance or even effective a lot of the time in either pass pro or run blocking, esp with a battered QB.And when Bell wasn't there & healthy,Pace looked even wobblier to me.And he got a lot of TE help.

    Pace wasn't at LT due to injury when we drove the field for the FG that beat Wash. He was out completely for the win over Dallas.

    I don't think he has the faith/strength in his upper body to be a good bet as a 16 game effective starter which I think is, um,desirable for 9 million dollars.

    That figure,incidentally, is more than any of the top four rushing teams spent on both starting tackles combined last year .The Titans spent a ridiculous 20+ on theirs &, while they didn't give up many sacks, failed to crack the top 5 in rush or pass in the regular season.

    Yes,it hurts. Yes, I'd prefer him to stay if he re-structured.But I do not think he is worth that many millions more than Barron or Goldberg at this point,never mind a rookie 1st or second rounder.
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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    Quote Originally Posted by rammiser View Post
    I dont know if this story is true or not. Releasing Pace is a mistake. It just creates a huge hole on the o-line. He needs to be kept around releasing him will force us to draft a tackle with the 2nd pick. We already have too many holes why make another one?
    I agree and does anyone know if the Rams have approached Pace about a possible restructure of his deal and allowing him to stay put with the Rams ?

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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    wait a minute,Jason Peters allowed 11.5 sacks and still made the pro bowl,thats insane and very wrong,but thats the pro bowl.

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