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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    seems to me we need to worry about are RT other then are LT
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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    Simple solution- release Holt (he's a crybaby wanting the ball more while he's slowing down), keep pace and pay him, and draft Curry. we'll get a tall fitz like wr in 2nd round and another wr in late round or find an experienced wr through FA. I hope we go that route because i feel pace has 2 good years left in him and he has done very well last year. of course we'll draft a tackle in later rounds just in case or find one thru FA.
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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    The DEFENSE has been among the worst in the leage for the last 4-5 years. To pass on a potential difference maker like Curry for a reach at OT (when OP is still serviceable)would be INSANE. Keep OP and/or get your OT with the 2nd rounder. Pass on Curry and this team remains (deservedly so) a laughing stock on defense...and saddle up for ANOTHER long season.
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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    to me it will be insane to let Pace go and for just 6 mill. 6 milll....if they do then its OT for the 2nd pick for sure............OR my good friend Mainram said and I agree they could move Barron to LT and draft a RT in the 2nd round and perhaps still come away with Curry in the 1st..... they could see what Barron has at LT (he played pretty well in 2007, with all those injuries to the line) and then they could make a decision on his future next year and go in another direction.......


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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    Quote Originally Posted by rammiser View Post
    Releasing Pace only saves us 6 mil. He was a terrific blocker last year so tell me who is gonna do wat he did for 6 mil or less? Here are the offensive tackle sack stats from last year.

    Left Tackle

    1. Ryan Clady (Broncos) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    2. Michael Roos (Titans) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
    3. Tra Thomas (Eagles) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    3. Orlando Pace (Rams) 2.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
    5. Jake Long (Dolphins) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
    6. Jordan Gross (Panthers) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
    6. Jammal Brown (Saints) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
    6. Jared Gaither (Ravens) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
    6. Marcus McNeill (Chargers) 3.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
    6. Tony Ugoh (Colts) 3.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
    6. Chris Samuels (Redskins) 3.0 sacks allowed (12 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
    6. Todd Weiner (Falcons) 3.0 sacks allowed (11 starts)
    13. Walter Jones (Seahawks) 3.5 sacks allowed (12 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
    14. D’Brickashaw Ferguson (Jets) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    14. Bryant McKinnie (Vikings) 4.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
    14. Max Starks (Steelers) 4.0 sacks allowed (11 starts)
    17. Joe Thomas (Browns) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
    17. Branden Albert (Cheifs) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
    19. Levi Brown (Bengals) 5.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
    20. Mike Gandy (Cardinals) 6.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    21. David Diehl (Giants) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    22. Flozell Adams (Cowboys) 7.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    23. Khalif Barnes (Jags) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    23. Matt Light (Pats) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    23. Chad Clifton (Packers) 7.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
    23. Kwame Harris (Raiders) 7.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
    27. Joe Staley (*****) 8.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    28. Donald Penn (Bucs) 8.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    29. Jeff Backus (Lions) 9.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    30. John St. Clair (Bears) 9.75 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    31. Duane Brown (Texans) 11.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    31. Jason Peters (Bills) 11.5 sacks allowed (13 starts) *PRO-BOWL*

    Right Tackle

    1. Ryan Diem (Colts) 1.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    1. Jon Stinchcomb (Saints) 1.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    1. Ray Willis (Seahawks) 1.5 sacks allowed (10 starts)
    4. David Stewart (Titans) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    4. Mark Tauscher (Packers) 2.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
    6. Ryan Harris (Broncos) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    6. Tyson Clabo (Falcons) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    8. Langston Walker (Bills) 3.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    8. Nick Kaczur (Pats) 3.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
    10. Willie Anderson (Ravens) 3.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
    11. Kareem McKenzie (Giants) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    11. Vernon Carey (Dolphins) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    11. Kevin Shaffer (Browns) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
    14. Jeff Otah (Panthers) 5.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
    15. Tony Pashos (Jags) 5.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    15. Marc Colombo (Cowboys) 5.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    17. Willie Colon (Steelers) 5.75 sacks allowed (16 starts) …RFA
    18. John Tait (Bears) 6.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    18. Jeremy Trueblood (Bucs) 6.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    18. Ryan Cook (Vikings) 6.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
    18. Gosder Cherilus (Lions) 6.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
    22. Damien Woody (Jets) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    22. Jeromey Clary (Chargers) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    22. Jon Jansen (Redskins) 6.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
    25. Jon Runyan (Eagles) 7.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    25. Damion McIntosh (Chiefs) 7.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    27. Cornell Green (Raiders) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    27. Alex Barron (Rams) 7.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
    29. Eric Winston (Texans) 8.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
    30. Stacy Andrews (Bengals) 9.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
    31. Adam Snyder (*****) 9.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
    32. Levi Brown (Cardinals) 11.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)

    So again tell me how Pace isnt worth keeping for 6 million again.

    These stats are nice Ramiser, but sacks allowed are just a part of being considered a good tackle. You can't forget about hits allowed and hurries allowed because often times they lead to even more disastrous results than allowing a sack.

    Having said that, I do get your point.

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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    Seems pretty clear reading some of the responses lately on Pace and Holt that a lot of fans are still going to have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the future.

    This team has won 5 games in two years with both Holt and Pace on the roster.

    I've got a feeling that they can do at least that good without them.

    It's time to turn the page, get younger and start building something substantive and enduring. The goal for next season in my mind is to make some strides down that path, not to reach the destination. I don't think this team reaches that destination with or without Pace and/or Holt next season. I don't see the point of keeping them around any longer in that case if they're not going to be a part of the future. Certainly not at their price tags.

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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    Quote Originally Posted by HornIt View Post
    Seems pretty clear reading some of the responses lately on Pace and Holt that a lot of fans are still going to have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the future.

    This team has won 5 games in two years with both Holt and Pace on the roster.

    I've got a feeling that they can do at least that good without them.

    It's time to turn the page, get younger and start building something substantive and enduring. The goal for next season in my mind is to make some strides down that path, not to reach the destination. I don't think this team reaches that destination with or without Pace and/or Holt next season. I don't see the point of keeping them around any longer in that case if they're not going to be a part of the future. Certainly not at their price tags.

    Couldn't agree more.

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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    Quote Originally Posted by rammiser View Post
    I dont know if this story is true or not. Releasing Pace is a mistake. It just creates a huge hole on the o-line. He needs to be kept around releasing him will force us to draft a tackle with the 2nd pick. We already have too many holes why make another one?

    I agree...

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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    Accurate salary info is hard to find but I think Pace's 6 mill in base salary for '09 is about the total base salary Atlanta paid for their entire starting offensive line in '08. Tied for 5th in fewest sacks,2nd rush,14th pass....

    What does it take to convince the "keep Pace" crowd that we need more bang for our buck now & in the future &, that with DeSpags in charge, we have to hope they won't botch the transition,whatever they decide to do?

    Anyway, I'm tired of the legwork. Somebody find me a player of Pace's age who is as injury-plagued who will make anything like that 9 mill salary + bonus.Jones is much cheaper. Tra Thomas,Runyon, and Flozell are much more durable.

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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    Flozell Adams you can keep off any Rams list. He has a harder time with the snap count than Barron does.

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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    17. Willie Colon (Steelers) 5.75 sacks allowed (16 starts) …RFA

    how do get to .75 sacks

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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    Quote Originally Posted by HornIt View Post
    Seems pretty clear reading some of the responses lately on Pace and Holt that a lot of fans are still going to have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the future.

    This team has won 5 games in two years with both Holt and Pace on the roster.

    I've got a feeling that they can do at least that good without them.

    It's time to turn the page, get younger and start building something substantive and enduring. The goal for next season in my mind is to make some strides down that path, not to reach the destination. I don't think this team reaches that destination with or without Pace and/or Holt next season. I don't see the point of keeping them around any longer in that case if they're not going to be a part of the future. Certainly not at their price tags.
    I couldnt dis-agree more. I think the way of thinking with Pace is more for the future than just letting him go. We let Pace go we have to draft an OT with our first pick. We keep Pace and let Holt go we can draft Curry and still get a very good wr in the second round. We can draft or pick up a OT in next years draft or free agency. I'm not kicking and screaming about letting these guys go, I think I am looking at it from a business standpoint. We can let Pace go and save ourselves 6 mil and let KC draft Curry. Or we can keep Pace let Holt go draft Curry instead of having to draft one of these tackles that no one seems to know if they are franchise RT or not. Are you willing to just draft a guy at right tackle and hope he's good or keep Pace draft Curry and only have to fill 1 spot not 2. I think it's better to keep Pace for 1 more year shore up some other glaring needs and look for a replacement for Pace next year. So I'm not kicking and screaming because I love Pace I just think it makes more sense to keep him.
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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    You do realize that this is not a news story, right.
    True, but when has that ever mattered to trolls? (I'm calling the person who wrote the article a troll, not the person that pasted it here)

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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    Quote Originally Posted by AvengerRam View Post
    You do realize that this is not a news story, right.

    Everyone and their dog has known for weeks that (a) the Rams are trying to trade Holt and Pace, (b) they will have a difficult time finding a trade partner due to their contracts, and (c) they will probably have to cut one or both players.

    Florio and his "league source" (aka the voices in his head) have not told us anything we didn't already know. He just added "like Hell" to make it seem like this is somehow something new.

    It isn't.

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    Re: Rams “trying like hell” to trade pace

    Quote Originally Posted by rammiser View Post
    I couldnt dis-agree more. I think the way of thinking with Pace is more for the future than just letting him go. We let Pace go we have to draft an OT with our first pick. We keep Pace and let Holt go we can draft Curry and still get a very good wr in the second round. We can draft or pick up a OT in next years draft or free agency. I'm not kicking and screaming about letting these guys go, I think I am looking at it from a business standpoint. We can let Pace go and save ourselves 6 mil and let KC draft Curry. Or we can keep Pace let Holt go draft Curry instead of having to draft one of these tackles that no one seems to know if they are franchise RT or not. Are you willing to just draft a guy at right tackle and hope he's good or keep Pace draft Curry and only have to fill 1 spot not 2. I think it's better to keep Pace for 1 more year shore up some other glaring needs and look for a replacement for Pace next year. So I'm not kicking and screaming because I love Pace I just think it makes more sense to keep him.
    I don't agree with your premise that if Pace goes, the Rams are forced into drafting an OT with the 2nd overall pick.

    No they're not.

    I'm looking at both Super Bowl teams last year. Who were their LT's? They aren't high dollar, big name guys.

    And how much better was Pace last year than Goldberg in his two starts at LT? I didn't notice any real difference. In fact, the Rams actually won one of the only two games they won without Pace and played their best game of the season overall. Pace simply isn't the same player he once was. He's not a difference maker. But for some reason, I think he is in many people's minds, which is why they can't let go.

    Why is keeping him at a hefty salary critical? There are other options than paying an aging, often injured player who's delivering mediocre performances $8 - $9 million dollars. Sliding Baron over there and seeing what he can do is an option.

    Again, he started 14 games last season. The Rams lost 13 of them. What exactly is there to be afraid of here?

    The sooner the Rams start playing other players there, the sooner they're likely to find and develop the future at that position.

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