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    Re: Reality Check, Please!

    OK, I guess I'll voice my opinion. Were the Rams lucky? Yes. If they wuold have accepted that they ewre down by 17 and decided not to fight, would they have been lucky? No. Point is, they didn't give up. They made some really risky plays that did pay off. Lady luck did smile on them, but without thier determination, we wouldn't have won.
    I, too, am riding the excitement wave. Why not? The guys pulled the proverbial rabbit out of the hat and showed Seattle we may not be the '99 Rams, but we are still a great team. We won a very important game in a season with a lot of unanswered questions about our team. We meshed. We played like we meant it. Now we must continue the fight each week until the season is over. The win in Seattle means one thing to me: we CAN win even if the whole game has gone against us.
    Lighten up a bit, realize that this win is an important one to 99.9% of us. We all know we still have problems with our O-line, ST, and D-line, as well as with the coaching staff. We are just happy to see that in the past couple of games we can see an improvement in almost every area of the team.
    Kick back, drink a cold one, smile about the win, and remember how "lucky" we were. It could have gone the other way.
    Oh, I did see the pass get tipped. I don't think it moved the ball enough to make a difference, though.


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    Re: Reality Check, Please!

    I see a team that gained a ton of momentum when Seattle started to pull it's starters and just wait for the clock to run down. They were stupid to do it and the Rams took advantage of it. But Seattle definitely let off the gas. If they hadn't started their celebration and continued to play hard-with all of their starters-I think the Rams would have been in trouble.

    nobody else watching the game mentioned it either.
    Why do you say things like that? I just told you that the commentator pointed it out.

    what i see is a team that never quits and makes big plays when it has to do so. nevermind the 85 yards we held the hawks to in the 2nd half. granted they had some drops but thats still an impressive number.
    Dropped passed aren't good defense. As far as what the Rams did in those particular cases, yes a dropped pass is lucky for the defense.

    I choose not to wear blinders when it comes to evaluating the team. So, while yesterday was as exciting of a game that a Rams fan could ask for, I'm not fooling myself into believing that the team is ready for the playoffs or played a good GAME. They pulled together and took advantage of an opportunity. Bulger looked like a superstar toward the end and the line played like it deserved a paycheck.

    I think Rams fans should be sighing in relief that we won not acting like we BEAT Seattle. The last thing we should all be doing is struttin' around like teams are going to have to watch out for us now.

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    Re: Reality Check, Please!

    Are you a Rams fan? Could of fooled me.

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    Re: Reality Check, Please!

    i wasnt even listening to the commentator. i hate commentators. we were all busy celebrating and none of us heard what the dumbass commentator was saying or saw the tip. therefore, it doesnt really matter if the commentator mentioned it or not.

    im just glad i dont havey our outlook on this team. we do have holes but what team doesnt? you act as if we are the only team in the nfl with weaknesses.

    man, does living in bakersfield really suck that much? :tongue:

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    Re: Reality Check, Please!

    Okay, now to switch gears a little bit and post some of the things that I wanted to comment on before all of the we are great stuff hit me.

    1. Bulger threw two of the prettiest passes I've seen from him so far. The td to Curtis was awesome. Over two defenders, right into his outstretched hands. It couldn't have been better. Obviously, the D didn't think Curtis was that fast or that Bulger could get him the ball or both. But it was definitely a thing of beauty.

    2. Another beautiful pass by Bulger was the td to win the game. Not only was the pass perfectly thrown, the line picked up a heavy blitz, McDonald made a good move on the db and flew down the sideline to make the catch. Bulger made the right read and layed it up for the guy in one on one coverage. Seattle dared Bulger to complete a long pass and beat the blitz and he made them pay for it. Kudo's all around for the offense on that play.

    3. Leonard Little sacking and forcing a fumble by Hasslebeck was huge. It seems like LL can beat his man whenever he really wants it and the play preserved the comeback for the Rams.

    4. Looker's catch to put the Rams in field goal range, then getting out of bounds to stop the clock wasn't spectacular but it was what was supposed to be done. In a day where so many things went wrong, a nice solid play, executed like it was drawn up and putting the team in a position to tie and maintain momentum was huge. Props to the slow, white guy on that one.

    5. Lastly, Marshall Faulk. Played very un-Faulk-like in many instances during the game. After dropping a pass for the second time I had to look to make sure that it was really Marshall out there. But, in the end, he made the call to give the Rams the ball in overtime. Winning the coin-toss was huge in this game of momentum and if his on-field performance was lacking at least his luck was riding high.

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    Re: Reality Check, Please!

    see now Moklerman, if you included that along with your doom and gloom first post it would be much better.

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    Re: Reality Check, Please!

    Are you a Rams fan? Could of fooled me.
    Like so many Rams fans, apparently fooling you isn't too difficult. It's impossible to be objective around so many...forget it. You don't want to really know.

    i wasnt even listening to the commentator. i hate commentators. we were all busy celebrating and none of us heard what the dumbass commentator was saying or saw the tip. therefore, it doesnt really matter if the commentator mentioned it or not.
    In this case it does matter. You missed it. I pointed it out to you as well as it being pointed out by the commetator on the game. It wasn't an opinion, it was a call on the game. How thick-headed and stubborn do you have to be? First, you claim it wasn't tipped, then when I give reference to it as well as facts, you get all upset and say it doesn't matter and that commentators are idiots. Who's the idiot if the commentator saw it and you missed? I'm not talking live action here. They replayed it at least 5 times from 3 different angles. I'm afraid to ask how much celebrating you did when the Rams actually won, if you were so pre-occupied when they scored and were still down by 10 points.

    you act as if we are the only team in the nfl with weaknesses.
    No, I just point out weaknesses objectively whether it's my favorite team or not.

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    Re: Reality Check, Please!

    Quote Originally Posted by moklerman
    That was one helluva comeback yesterday and a great game to watch BUT let's not write the Rams into the Super Bowl just yet shall we?

    Plenty of you on this board criticize the people who overreact to a loss, yet all of you seem to be doing the same thing in reverse. It's a big win for the Rams but let's just enjoy it.
    The Rams aren't locks for the playoffs. Martz hasn't changed. Bulger still has problems with his decisions. The running game still needs work. The defense didn't start to get any momentum until Alexander was out of the game. Etc., etc.

    It was the greatest comeback I've ever seen the Rams complete (playoffs against the Saints in 2000 and Super Bowl XXXVI were also great comebacks but ultimately lost by the defense/special teams not holding up) and I think the Rams should be very thankful for their LUCK. This game might very well be a lightning rod for this season but just like the early losses I'm not going to get too excited about the ball bouncing the Rams' way.

    I'm a lot more optimistic than I was earlier in the season but the team still has a lot of work to do. Please remember the Rams were just a lucky bounce away from a 4 interception game by Bulger and a loss. If Manu isn't in the right place, at the right time (in triple/quadruple coverage) and the tipped ball doesn't happen to go right to him....well, you get the idea. Let's all keep our heads on, shall we?

    Enjoy the exciting win but let's not take Tampa Bay for granted. We could learn something from New England and Seattle. NE takes every opponent seriously and respects the fact that "any given Sunday" exists. Seattle assumes the win when the game is far from over and gives away an important divisional game when they had it won.
    All the stuff in RED seems pretty positive to me. I get criicized for not presenting both sides of an argument but when I do, I'm criticized for not being positive enough.

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    Re: Reality Check, Please!

    my point is that i dont pay attention to the commentator so you pointing out that the commentator mentioned it doesnt mean anything. so i missed the ball being tipped. big deal. there were a bunch of us watching and nobody pointed out that it got tipped. there were even seahawk fans watching the game as well and all of us missed it. i have no problem admitting that i missed a tipped ball. you make it seem like it was this big ass lucky tip while RamsFamily says it looked like the tip made no difference at all.

    you know, now that i think about it. we did go back and look at the play from the first angle that it was shown, where it wasnt a close up of manu, but the normal game playing view, if that makes sense. we couldnt believe that manu got up that high. so we probably missed any of the up close replays that they showed since we just skipped ahead to live tv.

    either way dood, if you are going to critique the team it would really help if you put in the positives from the game as well.

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    Re: Reality Check, Please!

    either way dood, if you are going to critique the team it would really help if you put in the positives from the game as well.
    Are you kidding me? I wasn't critiquing the team at all! I was pointing out that that play was lucky. This board would melt down if I actually critiqued the entire game! Look at how bent out of shape you've become when talking about a single play, that everyone seems to agree was lucky.

    I spoke in generalities about the positive and negative in my original post. I didn't go into any details other than the one play that I thought was the most pivotal. I don't even know what you're complaining about other than wearing "I don't listen to the commentators" like a badge of honor.

    If you want to talk about that one particular play, Manu made a great catch. Bulger made a bad decision, threw the ball up for grabs and the line did well enough to give Bulger adequate time. In fact, it's possible that Bulger wasn't even throwing the ball to Manu as there was a wr right behind him at the back of the end zone. It was just a flukey, lucky play that worked out for the Rams. In my opinion, it happens to be the most important play of the 4th quarter.

    p.s. where do you live in SoCal that you're commenting on Bakersfield?

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    Re: Reality Check, Please!

    The Rams aren't locks for the playoffs. Martz hasn't changed. Bulger still has problems with his decisions. The running game still needs work. The defense didn't start to get any momentum until Alexander was out of the game. Etc., etc.
    Would this be critiquing? Just post the positives along with the negatives. That's all I'm saying.

    Now, you could argue that Bugler made a bad pass or a questionable pass. Thats a valid argument. I look at as Bulger trying to make something happen and it worked. Half full vs Half empty glass of water here so no need in going on more about it.

    I'd actually like to hear your thoughts on Bulger's first pick of the game. Me personally, I didn't really care. It was third down and we were out of field goal range so I liked taking the shot down the field. I view it really as a punt that went into the endzone. Now, if Bulger missed someone wide open you could argue that, but I like being aggressive.

    And I live in Anaheim Hills. Im just messing about living in Bakersfield, dood.

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    Re: Reality Check, Please!

    If you want to talk about that one particular play, Manu made a great catch. Bulger made a bad decision, threw the ball up for grabs and the line did well enough to give Bulger adequate time. In fact, it's possible that Bulger wasn't even throwing the ball to Manu as there was a wr right behind him at the back of the end zone. It was just a flukey, lucky play that worked out for the Rams. In my opinion, it happens to be the most important play of the 4th quarter.
    These types of lucky plays are what football lore is made of. The immaculate reception was a bad throw by Bradshaw, Warner's pass to Bruce for a TD in SB 34 was underthrown, and Bulger's pass to Manu was a lot like Montana's high throw that led to "the catch". Maybe fate is on our side?

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    Re: Reality Check, Please!

    I guess every team has a fan that sees the wine bottle half full.

    Mok' you are right we need to remember that this season is far from over and that this team has a long way to go to prove themselves worthy as a playoff team and participant.

    It was nice to enjoy a win from a team and a coach that did not give up with almost impossible odds with less than 6 minutes left. It was even better to see a qb often maligned by you every chance you have to come thru and throw some lucky pinpoint accurate passes that dare i say were warneresque. So was warner lucky too? I will take luck over skill anytime as I have to as i have been very lucky w/o too much skill in my life.

    FYI The rams offense/warner and the refs lost SB36 not the defence. Warner was awesome in the comebacks he pulled off but like most gunslingers, he dug holes for himself to make the great plays he is known for pulling out the dramatic victories he did so naturally. Looks like bulger is becoming his own comeback speacialist too:Carolina, Pbowl, 'aints (he won that game, the st, st coach and possibly smartz lost that one! and now the c-chicks.

    After the 'aints game and residing in New Orleans and feeling pretty low, cruising in the 2nd half a la the c-chicks was at least a victory; your comments will not affect my buzz at least until Friday.

    I thought it was pretty neat/cool to see smartz display some emotion on the sidelines and I do not think they (TEAM RAMS) need brenda w. to point that out to them. I hope we can build on this freak victory as we won and did not beat the -c-chicks as this could be a hopefully turning point to a successful season.

    The 'aints have lost two in a row to winless teams since that x-mas day in Sept and the RAMS have won 2 and stayed positive after a coaching contributed loss.

    Are you really trout? :redface: LOL

    Mok' relax and loosen up man, at least you still LIVE in CALI!

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    Re: Reality Check, Please!

    Quote Originally Posted by moklerman
    That was one helluva comeback yesterday and a great game to watch BUT let's not write the Rams into the Super Bowl just yet shall we?
    Are you trying to see how many weeks in a row you can ridiculously overexaggerate fan excitement about a win?

    You made this same sort of thread after the 49er win, and now you're attempting to piss on the parade for a second week in a row after one of the greatest comebacks this team has ever had. Are you really incapable of just sitting back and being happy without trying to pull everyone back into reality, as if none of us know how badly the team played in the first three quarters?

    I'll give you credit, though. It was good to see some positive comments speckled in the first post, and then a second helping of them later in the thread.

    But seriously dude, can you not just sit back and enjoy a win without having to poke holes in the balloon that many of us are flying in? I can only imagine had you been at this game, walking back to your car among other Rams fans, and as they cheer their team and jump up and down after an emotional win, you pull out a notepad and start pestering them about how poor we looked in the second quarter.
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    Re: Reality Check, Please!

    "I'll sign my share but I'm not going to go out looking or anything." -Marc Bulger

    Refresh me I was on a vacation for a few months ... and explain the meaning of the above. No doubt it has positive value coming from the site's existentialist! :redface:

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