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    Re: Report: Gruden to return to coaching in 2012; AJ Smith + Gruden Package Deal for

    Apparently, Marty is Persona non grata in the NFL. He spent this last season coaching the Virginia Destroyers to a championship...in something called the UFL. I would love seeing Marty lead the Rams.

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    Re: Report: Gruden to return to coaching in 2012; AJ Smith + Gruden Package Deal for

    Ah want Mike Martz back


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    Re: Report: Gruden to return to coaching in 2012; AJ Smith + Gruden Package Deal for

    Jeff Fisher for me. But Im a little worried that San Diego will be more to his liking.?

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    Re: Report: Gruden to return to coaching in 2012; AJ Smith + Gruden Package Deal for

    Quote Originally Posted by GROUND DOG 39 View Post
    45-51 was his record in Tampa.
    Or 57-55...

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    Re: Report: Gruden to return to coaching in 2012; AJ Smith + Gruden Package Deal for

    Quote Originally Posted by TekeRam View Post

    PS: Wikipedia lists the time following the Super Bowl championship until Chuckles' firing as the "Period of Struggle". Just a little FYI...
    No way! John down in his moms basement created that section and put it on Wikipedia. He is definitely a terrible coach than. Thanks for informing us of this groundbreaking info!!!

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    Re: Report: Gruden to return to coaching in 2012; AJ Smith + Gruden Package Deal for

    Quote Originally Posted by PeoriaRam View Post
    So, if the Buccaneers' existing, fully developed defense was on the wrong side of the calendar, what did Gruden do to make the defense self sustaining beyond that? Oh wait....it didn't. Which means Gruden did a crap job of developing young players. Like those who populate our defense. Similarly the Raiders turnaround was fueled heavily by veterans that were brought in, rather than developing youth. There are greater meta-scale reasons about why the Raiders franchise collapsed from 2004 onwards besides "Bill Callahan is an idiot".

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    And to reiterate another point, AJ Smith's contract shenanigans have not enamored him among NFL players. Gruden will find himself unable to acquire the players he needs to make his system and way of coaching succeed.
    Some people are better managers than builders..

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    Re: Report: Gruden to return to coaching in 2012; AJ Smith + Gruden Package Deal for

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry S. Truman View Post
    Some people are better managers than builders..
    News flash Hank: We need a builder, not a manager.

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    Re: Report: Gruden to return to coaching in 2012; AJ Smith + Gruden Package Deal for

    Quote Originally Posted by PeoriaRam View Post
    News flash Hank: We need a builder, not a manager.
    actually we have a foundation of talent that needs to be coached correctly to reach their full potential...Also AJ Smith built a talented group in San Diego so he can build while Gruden Manages basically how it should be done

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    Re: Report: Gruden to return to coaching in 2012; AJ Smith + Gruden Package Deal for

    Quote Originally Posted by THOLTFAN81 View Post
    Or 57-55...
    Marty: 205-139-1...just sayin.
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    Re: Report: Gruden to return to coaching in 2012; AJ Smith + Gruden Package Deal for

    Quote Originally Posted by BarronWade View Post
    actually we have a foundation of talent that needs to be coached correctly to reach their full potential...Also AJ Smith built a talented group in San Diego so he can build while Gruden Manages basically how it should be done
    We need a massively renovated secondary, a better set of OLBs, and to replace James Hall on the defensive line. AND THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE OUR STRENGTH. The offensive line needs improvement, we need a new fleet of wideouts, and a replacement for Jackson. Did I also mention we might need a new kicker? Well we need a new kicker too.

    Our "foundation of talent" is fine...if you have designs on erecting a modern leaning tower of Pisa.

    And to reiterate once again...Gruden sucks at coaching young players to correctly reach their full potential. He has only had success when he could draw on large numbers of veteran players. Meanwhile AJ Smith is such a notorious dick during contract negotiations that while he may have some success in drafting players, the Rams will be very hard pressed to bring in any good veterans...or keep the few decent players we have developed.

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    Re: Report: Gruden to return to coaching in 2012; AJ Smith + Gruden Package Deal for

    As much as I'd like to see Gruden coaching again just so I don't have to listen to him on MNF I don't think he's right for this team.

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    Re: Report: Gruden to return to coaching in 2012; AJ Smith + Gruden Package Deal for

    Quote Originally Posted by mh-i View Post
    I wouldn't expect the Rams to go to the post season let alone the Super Bowl next season. It's going to take time no matter who the next head coach is. Hopefully fans cut the next guy some slack and don't expect miracles. This team does have some keeper players but also has a ton of holes.

    My point was that since Gruden has been there and won he has a clue to what a head coach needs to do to help a team reach that goal.
    While I understand the logic behind the statment..... I'm tired of waiting. If a college coach named Jim Harbagh can acclimate to the NFL with superior success; there's got to be a way to do so here. We deserve better.
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    Re: Report: Gruden to return to coaching in 2012; AJ Smith + Gruden Package Deal for

    Quote Originally Posted by sakl18 View Post
    Per Rotoworld:
    ESPN released a statement to Profootballtalk refuting a report that Jon Gruden will leave the Monday Night Football booth for a return to coaching in 2012.

    "Jon signed a multi-year extension with ESPN this fall," said ESPN. "He remains committed to being a part of Monday Night Football for many years." Multiple sources tell PFT that Gruden will indeed return to ESPN for the 2012 season. The original report may have been planted by sources close to Chargers GM A.J. Smith in an effort to get owner Dean Spanos to think twice about a possible firing. ESPN's Chris Mortensen insisted on Sports Center Tuesday evening that Gruden will not be coaching in 2012.
    I hope ESPN is correct .. I'd rather suffer through listening to him on Monday nights than have him coach the Rams. If you think we've been the victim of bad calls lately, imagine if Jonny boy was our head coach next year ..

    FOX Sports Exclusive
    Gruden needs to get the rules straight
    by Mike Pereira

    Iím talking to ESPN announcer and former coach Jon Gruden, because I need to set the record straight.

    I am not a fan of Grudenís. Not today, not yesterday, not when I worked for the NFL and not when I was working on the field as a side judge. He was a loudmouth as a coach who constantly disrespected officials and he is a blowhard in the broadcast booth who spouts off when he doesnít know what he is talking about.

    I respect his knowledge about the Xís and Oís when it comes to coaching and playing the game of football, but I have very little respect for him when it comes to officiating and his knowledge of the rules.

    Monday night during the Falcons-Saints game, in the second quarter alone, Gruden butchered two plays regarding hits on defenseless receivers. To me, the second you agree to step into the broadcast booth, you agree to learn the rules. It goes with the job. You, as an announcer, have an obligation to know the rules. You are free to pontificate as to whether or not you like a rule, but you must present the rule first.

    Weíll get to the two specific plays, but first I want to go over what the rulebook says about hits on defenseless receivers.

    * Rule 12, Article 9, (a), (2), defines a defenseless receiver as ďa receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player.Ē
    * Rule 12, Article 9, (b), goes on to say that prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is: (1) ďForcibly hitting the defenseless playerís head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/hairline parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless playerís body.Ē

    In laymanís terms, a receiver is defenseless in the process of making the catch and beyond until he has clearly become a runner, which by rule, means he has control with two feet clearly down and he has maintained control long enough ďto perform an act common to the game,Ē which is to say he maintains control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it or ward off an opponent.

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    Who got in? Who got snubbed? We've got all the names right here. PRO BOWL ROSTERS

    If a receiver is defenseless, he cannot be hit in the head or neck area, with any part of the defenderís helmet, shoulder or forearm. A defender also cannot lead with the crown or hairline portion of his helmet and make contact with the receiver anywhere on his body.

    Here is the first play in question from Mondayís game:

    THE SITUATION: New Orleans had the ball, first-and-10 at the Atlanta 37-yard line with 13:37 remaining in the second quarter.

    THE PLAY: Saints quarterback Drew Brees completes a 9-yard pass to Marques Colston. Atlantaís Curtis Lofton is called for an illegal hit on a defenseless receiver. Lofton hit Colston helmet-to-helmet, which was acknowledged by ESPN play-by-play announcer Mike Tirico. Replays clearly confirmed the helmet-to-helmet contact before Colston had completed the catch and clearly become a runner.

    GRUDENíS COMMENTS: ďI donít know. Going to get Lofton for spearing. Iíd throw the ball every play if thatís a penalty. Hopkins is entitled to play in the middle of the field.Ē

    Here is the second play:

    THE SITUATION: Atlanta had the ball, third-and-one from the Atlanta 29-yard line with 11:06 remaining in the second quarter.

    THE PLAY: Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan throws an incomplete pass to Reggie Kelly. Kelly is hit from behind by Malcolm Jenkins, who turns his head to the side and hits Kelly with his right shoulder in the area of the lower back. Tough hit, but legal. Jenkins did not hit Kelly in the head or neck area and he did not lead with the crown or hairline part of his helmet. It was exactly what the NFL is asking players to do.

    GRUDENíS COMMENTS: ďI donít know what the difference is than the one on Lofton. If Loftonís penalty was 15 yards, then thatís 15 yards. I just donít understand how games are being officiated.Ē

    Gruden didnít know the difference between the two hits. Well, let me help. Loftonís was helmet-to-helmet, while Jenkinsí hit was shoulder to back. Duh!

    BEYOND THE NUMBERS
    Sure, Brees has the record. But the detail that counts going forward is the Saints knocked off the Falcons and clinched the NFC South. How they did it.

    Loftonís hit was clearly a foul and the hit by Jenkins was not. That was why Loftonís penalty was 15 yards and the Jenkins hit wasnít penalized at all. Gruden said he doesnít understand how games are being officiated? Correctly and consistently in this case. But thatís OK, Jon. Just throw the officials under the bus when you donít know the rules. Officials are often criticized and sometimes, deservedly so.

    Not in this case, however. It is Gruden who deserves the criticism.

    Címon man!

    I enjoy that feature done by ESPNís studio hosts. Letís see if they have the courage this week to shout ďCímon man, learn the rulesíí to Jon Gruden.

    Mike Pereira was the NFL's Vice President of Officiating from 2004-09, having spent the five seasons previous to that as the league's Director of Officiating. He also served as an NFL game official when he acted as side judge for two seasons (1997-98).

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    Re: Report: Gruden to return to coaching in 2012; AJ Smith + Gruden Package Deal for

    Quote Originally Posted by punahou View Post
    While I understand the logic behind the statment..... I'm tired of waiting. If a college coach named Jim Harbagh can acclimate to the NFL with superior success; there's got to be a way to do so here. We deserve better.
    Harbaugh had more to work with. First off the Niners defense was solid top to bottom. No holes. The Rams can't stop the run and have question marks at DT, OLB and cornerback. I don't think Bartell and Fletcher are all that even if they do come back.

    The Niners offense had wide receivers and a TE who weren't being used because the previous head coach's were so conservative. Harbaugh didn't dumb down the offense. He opened it up by balancing it out between the run and pass. That's what took the pressure off Smith. The Niners drafted play makers. They just weren't using them.
    The Rams have way more holes so it will take longer. That and the rest of the division is no where near as bad as the Rams are. The Rams will hopefully improve next year but fans that think they will or should contend for a Super Bowl aren't being honest with themselves.

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    Re: Report: Gruden to return to coaching in 2012; AJ Smith + Gruden Package Deal for

    Speaking of former coaches in broadcasting, I wouldn't mind if perhaps there were more talks of someone like a Tony Dungy maybe coaching the Rams. He seems to have the temperament and the coaching chops to bring us back to a competitive level.

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