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    Round Two: Where Would The Rams Be Without SJ39?

    05.06.2010 2:12 pm
    Where would Rams be without SJ39?
    By Roger Hensley


    THE WATERCOOLER

    QUESTION: As Jim Thomas mentioned in his Wednesday story about Steven Jacksonís back surgery, back injuries can be very tricky. Coming off a 1-15 season already, how deep could the Rams fortunes fall if Jacksonís injury becomes something chronic? Would the team likely be looking at the No. 1 pick again in the next draft?

    JIM THOMAS
    Well, itís hard to fall any farther than 1-15, but there really is no current answer on the roster if something should happen to Jackson. And the thought of Sam Bradford trying to operate as an NFL rookie quarterback minus Jackson is scary.

    BILL COATS
    The Rams without Jackson would be about as effective as a rifle without ammunition Ė particularly because they still havenít found a suitable backup at running back. And, sure, if Jackson isnít a viable option, the Rams certainly could be looking for a running back in the first round in 2011, if they havenít addressed that issue before then.

    JEFF GORDON
    If Jackson is at all diminished, yes, this team could be right back at the top of the draft. Good teams have at least two quality backs. More teams are using a tag team of some sort. The Rams have no depth there at this point Ė and this is a run-based offense. Even if Brian Westbrook comes here, the Rams need to find an exciting young RB to groom. Their poor depth at RB last season proved devastating.

    BRYAN BURWELL
    The Rams without Steven Jackson are a disaster waiting to happen. That would put this team in a horrible circumstance of basically putting rookie No.1 draft pick Sam Bradford on a high wire with no safety net.


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    Re: Round Two: Where Would The Rams Be Without SJ39?

    Man I can't help but say that this is ridiculous overexagerration. I don't think that our offense would be as inept without SJ as everyone thinks, but daggonit that's just me. Any team worth its salt will be able to run without one player unless its your QB. We as a team need to lessen our dependency on one freakin' player.

    SJ's time isn't unlimited. I like how everyone wants to say that we have "definetely" not found a suitable running back behind SJ without having seen what our current crop of Ogbonnaya and Toston have to offer. Would we have a "suitable" guy if we had drafted one? Drafting a guy doesn't make the guy qualified in any way. I think if our run blocking becomes the strength of this team like it should be, an average runningback will be succesful here.

    Call me crazy or naive but I'm not concerned about the back-up runningback position at this point. You need to see what you have before saying you have a weakness. I can't say I've cut my leg without feeling any pain or checking to see if there's a cut...

    Everyone likes to forget that we were a TD away from winning more than one game with last year's inexperienced mess-hole of a team.

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    Re: Round Two: Where Would The Rams Be Without SJ39?

    I wish I could share your optimism Bralidore but I'm going to agree with the columnists here. Jackson is our only proven offensive weapon. Its true that Ogbonnaya and Totson haven't exactly been given a chance to shine yet. But your theory that we are going to be a strong run blocking team and that any running back can be plugged into the system and be successful is pure speculation and beyond optimistic. Not to say that you are completely wrong, because as you pointed out, nobody knows for sure. But I know I would feel a whole lot better if we had either a proven veteran or a highly touted rookie waiting in the wings if the worst were to happen to Jackson.

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    Re: Round Two: Where Would The Rams Be Without SJ39?

    Steve Jackson wasn't a part of the offense last year, HE WAS THE OFFENSE LAST YEAR. With out him this year, we repeat as 1-15 and pick first again.

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    Re: Round Two: Where Would The Rams Be Without SJ39?

    Quote Originally Posted by lordwhttgr View Post
    Steve Jackson wasn't a part of the offense last year, HE WAS THE OFFENSE LAST YEAR. With out him this year, we repeat as 1-15 and pick first again.
    What an awesome attitude to have and I like how you touted out a clueless( not insulting you, just saying you and I really don't know what we have on the roster yet..) opinion as fact. Hard to have success when you've already bent over for the other team...

    As good as Sjax is, he couldn't help us win more than one game last year....

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    Re: Round Two: Where Would The Rams Be Without SJ39?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bralidore(RAMMODE) View Post
    What an awesome attitude to have and I like how you touted out a clueless( not insulting you, just saying you and I really don't know what we have on the roster yet..) opinion as fact. Hard to have success when you've already bent over for the other team...

    As good as Sjax is, he couldn't help us win more than one game last year....
    whoa,,,hold on a second. I have stated and continue to state that with Steve Jackson and Sam Bradford on the team we stand to win 9 games. How is that a bad attitude? I watched the games last year. I saw what we did. I know Steve Jackson is one of the best Running backs in the league. with a combination of running and Passing we will win games. With out the treat of Steve Jackson breaking a big one, and he did with the defense knowing that he was our only offense, Sam stands no chance in the pocket.

    As for you, Do you for your own judgements or just base your facts off what some one else feels?

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    Re: Round Two: Where Would The Rams Be Without SJ39?

    ok just the facts.
    RAMS total offense...4470
    Steve Jackson rushing 1416 recieving 322 td 4 to/fumbles 2/2 total offense 1738
    the next closest player, Bulger passing 1469 rushing 22 td 5 to/int/fumbles 7/6/ 6/1 total offense 1491 and that was with throwing the ball to Jackson(not all the time but at least 200 yards worth.

    Look, I am not one of those guys that always looks at the glass half empty. And besides Jackson isnt gone and will likely have the same preformance next year. All I was doing was answering the posts question. We need Steve Jackson back next year to be successful. And that is all I am saying.
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    Re: Round Two: Where Would The Rams Be Without SJ39?

    You stated that without Sjax the Rams were going 1-15, period. Call me nuts but I don't believe that without one player we automagically lose every game except one. That's BS and a crap attitude to have IMO.

    A good portion of our team last year were rookiees and that remains so this year possibly (this being said without a depth chart). Who knows what rookiees will continue to show what they did last year, what the additions of returning IR players will have (ie. L.Robinson).

    I know what the stats from last year are, im referring to this year, with our better supporting cast and all our players (as of now) healthy. I believe we can win every game and if our players think anything different than either our coaching staff isn't doing a good job of motivating, or some of the optimism on Ram forums have seaped into the locker room.

    Dependence on one player is asinine and I haven't conceded that we live and die with Sjax, althought MANY others have. But yes, perhaps im fooling myself. Rant End

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    Re: Round Two: Where Would The Rams Be Without SJ39?

    Quote Originally Posted by lordwhttgr View Post
    Steve Jackson wasn't a part of the offense last year, HE WAS THE OFFENSE LAST YEAR. With out him this year, we repeat as 1-15 and pick first again.

    I agree with the first part.



    Any rational fan that watched the games last year should realize that Steven Jackson was a one-man working horse. There was absolutely no threat from the passing game, which led to defenses just concentrating on Jackson.


    With that being said, we need to find a reliable back-up. Whether the guy is already on the roster, or a FA, we need to get one, to insure the progression of Sam Bradford.



    Without Jackson, Sam Bradford is going to have a really hard time. Are we necessarily going to go 1-15? No. I think that if Jackson goes down, we switch to a more spread offense, ala shotguns and more pass patterns, where Sam Bradford excels at.

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    Re: Round Two: Where Would The Rams Be Without SJ39?

    Any effective offense has some ballance to it, or at least the threat of being able to run and throw the ball with some success. With that being said I think it would be tough for the Rams to be a .500 team without Jax in the backfield. With everything we hope Bradford will bring to this team he is still a rookie who is going to make rookie mistakes and that will only be magnified if we were to become a 1 dimensional offense by not having Jax in the backfield. Hopefully we can get a deal done with Westbrook to have someone to spell Jax so he doesn't have the workload he had last year and then hoplefully there is a great RB available at the #32 pick in next years draft.
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    Re: Round Two: Where Would The Rams Be Without SJ39?

    So... the point under discussion here is that The Rams will be in trouble without their only consistent & proven NFL-wide dominant skill player ? Yeah, and water is wet. Better teams than the Rams would suffer from such a loss. Just look at what happened to The Falcons when Turner got hurt.

    There are two things that strike me about this situation. Firstly, I very much like that SJ decided to address a problem that severely hampered him from about half way through last season.He was not the same player with it & I'm glad he's done something to aggressively reduce the risk of it flaring up again.

    Secondly, it is interesting that this has only just been made public. Did The Rams know & kept it quiet to try and disguise their interest in a RB draft prospect but the option wasn't there when they picked? Or did SJ only tell them after the fact ?

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    Re: Round Two: Where Would The Rams Be Without SJ39?

    Quote Originally Posted by cfh128 View Post
    I wish I could share your optimism Bralidore but I'm going to agree with the columnists here. Jackson is our only proven offensive weapon. Its true that Ogbonnaya and Totson haven't exactly been given a chance to shine yet. But your theory that we are going to be a strong run blocking team and that any running back can be plugged into the system and be successful is pure speculation and beyond optimistic. Not to say that you are completely wrong, because as you pointed out, nobody knows for sure. But I know I would feel a whole lot better if we had either a proven veteran or a highly touted rookie waiting in the wings if the worst were to happen to Jackson.
    I'd have to agree with this I'm not willing to gamble our season
    on some unproven players. let's hope Tolston is as good as we hope he is
    Quote Originally Posted by Bralidore(RAMMODE) View Post
    What an awesome attitude to have and I like how you touted out a clueless( not insulting you, just saying you and I really don't know what we have on the roster yet..) opinion as fact. Hard to have success when you've already bent over for the other team...

    As good as Sjax is, he couldn't help us win more than one game last year....
    he couldn't because we had no one else helping on the team. he's was and is our best player and play maker

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