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    Sando: Rams, ***** Linked By First-Round Picks

    May 5
    By Mike Sando

    North Carolina's Robert Quinn was my projected pick for the San Francisco ***** with the seventh choice in the 2011 NFL draft.

    Todd McShay had the St. Louis Rams selecting Missouri's Aldon Smith at No. 14.

    Quinn and Smith are indeed heading to the NFC West, but the draft fell counter to expectations. The ***** took Smith at No. 7. The Rams chose Quinn seven spots later.

    Why the surprise? Wasn't Quinn the more highly rated player?

    "When San Francisco took Aldon Smith, it was a huge red flag that Quinn's medical report is worse than people think," Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. said. "Quinn is better than Smith. It tells me team doctors probably took him off the *****' board. You wonder if the Rams got damaged goods. If not, I'm all for it."

    Team doctors evaluate risks differently. The benign brain tumor doctors discovered in Quinn four years ago could have conceivably made him too great a risk for one team at one position in the draft, but not too great for another team later in the draft. And it might not have factored significantly at all for some.

    If Quinn is healthy, the Rams appear to have gotten very good value based on scouting reports.

    "Chris Long all of a sudden becomes Justin Tuck in Steve Spagnuolo's defense," Williamson said. "They can move Long inside on early downs. They can play him everywhere. He'll take on that Justin Tuck strongside end/move-him-over-a-heavy-guard role. Quinn is a great player. I just wonder if there is something we don't know about him."

    Not so, according to the Rams.

    "Obviously, our doctors spent a lot of time researching and talking to experts and talking to people at Chapel Hill," general manager Billy Devaney said. "He's never had any problem when he was at North Carolina. They discovered this when he was in high school and hes played with it and our doctors, as we called around the league, the majority of the teams were comfortable with his condition, also."

    The ***** have big plans for Smith. They think he can play multiple positions within their front seven. And at age 20, he is only getting started.

    "To me, Aldon Smith isn't really a 3-4 outside linebacker," Williamson said. "He is going to be 285 pounds. He is so young. We will look at his [college] highlights three years from now and say, 'Wow, he does not look like that.' I see the attraction, too. He can still rush the passer. Just watching what they bring to field, I would rather have Quinn, clearly, but not if my doctor advises against it."


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    Re: Sando: Rams, ***** Linked By First-Round Picks

    What if he didn't have this tumor. Would he have been a #1 pick?

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    Re: Sando: Rams, ***** Linked By First-Round Picks

    Red flags everywhere with this pick! Quinn didn't even play his senior season in college. The Rams are taking a big risk with Quinn, where as the rewards would've been much greater with a Ingram pick at #14!
    One can only hope, now, that Robert Quinn overcomes all the 'Cons' and become the Spark in the rebuit Spags 'D'! Maybe, someday We'll hear Quinn quote the famous words.....Same ol' sorry Fortyniners!
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    Re: Sando: Rams, ***** Linked By First-Round Picks

    I would have barfed if they took Ingram in rd 1.

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    Re: Sando: Rams, ***** Linked By First-Round Picks

    Quote Originally Posted by dgr828 View Post
    Red flags everywhere with this pick! Quinn didn't even play his senior season in college. The Rams are taking a big risk with Quinn, where as the rewards would've been much greater with a Ingram pick at #14!
    One can only hope, now, that Robert Quinn overcomes all the 'Cons' and become the Spark in the rebuit Spags 'D'! Maybe, someday We'll hear Quinn quote the famous words.....Same ol' sorry Fortyniners!
    Reaching for someone not at a position of need would have given us more reward?

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    Re: Sando: Rams, ***** Linked By First-Round Picks

    Quote Originally Posted by tomahawk247 View Post
    Reaching for someone not at a position of need would have given us more reward?
    Just when should the Rams start preparing for the future at the running back position....When Steven Jackson is giving his retirement speech on the podium?
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    Re: Sando: Rams, ***** Linked By First-Round Picks

    Rookie RB's can step in asap. We don't need a rookie RB just yet. SJax has 2-3 more good years left. A good vet is all we need for now. There are several out there. Reggie Bush would really help too. Toston is decent too, he could spell SJax on first and second downs right now.

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    Re: Sando: Rams, ***** Linked By First-Round Picks

    Quote Originally Posted by dgr828 View Post
    Just when should the Rams start preparing for the future at the running back position....When Steven Jackson is giving his retirement speech on the podium?
    While we are at it, should be draft Bradford's potential replacement now?

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    Re: Sando: Rams, ***** Linked By First-Round Picks

    I see the argument for Ingram. It has some valid points. However, I don't think he was worth teaching for at 14. Heck, he wasn't even the Saints' first choice. What I'm getting at is this: We can do better. We drafted Steven Jackson at 24th overall. If things go according to plan and we're drafting there in a year or so, we could likely find our man of the future.

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    Re: Sando: Rams, ***** Linked By First-Round Picks

    Quote Originally Posted by dgr828 View Post
    Red flags everywhere with this pick! Quinn didn't even play his senior season in college. The Rams are taking a big risk with Quinn, where as the rewards would've been much greater with a Ingram pick at #14!
    One can only hope, now, that Robert Quinn overcomes all the 'Cons' and become the Spark in the rebuit Spags 'D'! Maybe, someday We'll hear Quinn quote the famous words.....Same ol' sorry Fortyniners!

    I thought you were joking but obviously not......

    Running backs are a dime a dozen. The two best running backs from last years class weren't even drafted (ivory and blount). So I don't see why you think we need to draft a RB that high. Heck remember the bucs drafted Benn in the 2nd and Williams in the 4th look who was the better WR. You don't always need to draft high to get a good product at WR or RB. When you see how much Quinn helps out Long, hall, and robbins your going to change your tune.

    All I know is I am having wet dreams of Long, Selvie, Hall, and Quinn all on the line at the same time (spags is known for 4 DE sets).

    O and one more thing Sam didn't play his last year of college either and that didn't seem to affect him so I don't see your point.

    The Rams should worry about a successor the year after next year I would say that would put Steven at 30 and leave us time to find a great replacement. They may try and find one sooner but I wouldn't waste a first on one will he turns at least 30 he is only 27 right now, 28 in july.

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    Re: Sando: Rams, ***** Linked By First-Round Picks

    Okay, Ingram tangent aside (seriously, a thread about two DEs and we're debating the merits of Mark Ingram?), I think there is some concern with proven production for both these guys because Smith came out as a redshirt sophomore, while Quinn also only played for two years and has been out of football for a year.

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    Re: Sando: Rams, ***** Linked By First-Round Picks

    So wait... there's more of a red flag with Quinn missing a year of play than with Bradford missing most of a year of play? Now, Bradford got hurt, came back, and got more hurt. He couldn't play because he was injured and we didn't really know what he was going to be able to do coming back from said injury. Quinn missed a year of football because of some stupidity when he and a number of his teamates had contact with and accepted some benefits from an agent. There is the medical issue of his tumor... which was three or more years ago and has not popped up since. He has been and will continue to get state of the art scans done to check on this, but really, this is more of a red flag than Bradford's shoulder?

    Everyone says that he is the best pure pass rusher in this class and we grabbed him at 14. I guess some people can't be happy. So what if he missed a year? Yes, it means that he's had one less year of in-game and in-practice development time, but it also means he has one less year of wear and tear on his body! You don't think that Spags, Hall and Long can get him up to speed to be productive?

    And seriously... Ingram? Ingram at 14? This draft set a record with only one running back being selected in the first round, and he did so barely. Everyone is using platoons at this point, the era of a do it all back is finished. Now, you can easily say that we don't have a platoon, which is why we needed to get a running back. Fine, we do. BUT NOT IN THE FIRST ROUND! Running back is the easiest position to plug in a guy off the street and go with it. Look at Green Bay in the playoffs. Plug in an undrafted guy and get 100 yard games out of him. Look at, as was already mentioned, Ivory and Blount. Blount arguably should have been drafted and hung onto Tennesee's roster, but it doesn't matter, because he was released and was plugged in to another backfield. Now, there's multiple undrafted backs out there now and will be multiple free agent backs with plenty of production. We grab one and we DON'T spend a 1st round pick. the absolute worst thing we could have done was to grab Ingram at 14.

    And to end this rant... I thought this while watching the draft and I still think it. If you told me we wouldn't have a chance to grab Aldon Smith, but we'd get Robert Quinn instead, I'd ask you what you were on, because that was just crazy talk. In the day after poll, we won, hands down. Now be happy about it and let's hope that Spags makes sure that the Whiners grabbed the wrong guy at 6.
    I believe!

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    Re: Sando: Rams, ***** Linked By First-Round Picks

    Do you know what excites me about Robert Quinn? He is only 20 years old.
    And this isn't like when Amobi Okoye came out and it was hoped he would grow into his body, Quinn is already 6'4, 265
    To be so good at such a young age is amazing

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    Re: Sando: Rams, ***** Linked By First-Round Picks

    I love the Quinn pick . I still can't believe he fell to fourteen. All the draft sites I was looking at had Quinn going in the top eight. It is alot harder to find a great DE than a Great DT. I was hoping for either.

    I was real surprised when the Rams didn't pick DT Marvin Austin or Stephen Paea in round two.

    The Mark Ingram issue! The reason the Rams didn't take a chance on him, is the NFL is becomming a pass first league. The Rams proved it by drafting two WR's & another TE, this year.
    There will be numerus free agent RB's to choose from this off season. The RB's I like are Reggie Bush, Tim Hightower, & DeAngelo or Cadellac Williams Both great 3rd down backs.

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